Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot quicker.
There's often a line for that too. Also, not all grocery stores where
I live have self-checkout. And there are some that added it a few
years ago (during covid) but then removed it.
god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you
Quoting Mro to Jimmy Anderson <=-
i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for
god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---
Do you think you're a good person?
I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me
and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't
do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things'
without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about
it.
Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.
If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
you are NOT a good person...
we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call that the Spirit calling you.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm
god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you
Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the first and the last.
What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.
We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.
God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.
Uh... OK!
Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?
No?
Wow...
Jcurtis wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm
god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you
Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the
first and the last.
What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.
We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We
are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human
philosophy or scientific observation.
God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that
would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.
Yeah, Star Trek turned into what could be called "Federation
Beaurocracy in Space". What made TNG interesting, where those strange surreal anomalies that might pop up, but as a mission, it mostly
looked boring. Kirk got to get in bed with hot space aliens and beat
the bad guy with his fists. I don't remember as much of that with
Picard.
I get what you mean, I'm just saying that lets say my daughter is on
the Internet. Shes going to be safer not giving away her age,
address, phone number or school she goes to. I argue, that if she
doesn't give away this information say, in the lobby of an online
game, then it DOES help against predators.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Sun May 11 2025 11:23 pm
I goI just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when
shopping.
car..Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my
I was being sarcastic. Were you being sarcastic too?
Ah.. I wasn't. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic..
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Boraxman wrote to Bogomips <=-
I'm willing to place a very large bet that there will be no rapture.
That's a safe bet, cause if you lose there's no one left to pay you!
:-)
What is it with US Christians and the obession with Israel?
It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
geopolitical discussions.
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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
idea, probably British. See, *we* assume that. Because we are
projecting our values system onto the rest of the world. We believe
there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
us projecting our own *parochial* values.
Yep - when we are the ones that are 'right,' it's easy to see that the rest should follow along. :-)
See, this idea is us
pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world! So for the world to "unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
values at the expense of theirs.
Or another set of values, that is not made known yet.
Western arrogance just assumes the
rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
*our* path. Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
with some elements in Abrahamic religion. Islam does have something
like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't. Their values system doesn't work that way.
If enough countries give up their soverign nature, though, it could
still happen. If America stops being "America first," for example, we
could easily shift to a European set of ideals, or Germanic, etc.
Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why thisexperiment will end
in tears. Its a vision that never really willexist outside of the Bo> Anglosphere, because its a specifically
Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I
believe
it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist
will
be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
a one world joining.
In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
resentment and conflict).
Which means, as you say, ONE BELIEF system will have to trump the
others. Chritianity says Jesus is the ONLY way to God; Jews believe
He was a fake; Muslims have another way to God; people into spiritulism believe something else; etc.
ALL religions can come under one umbrella ONLY if they give up their
own beliefs, which could very well be what eventually happens...
Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 09:35 pm
Uh... OK!
Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?
No?
Wow...
where do you live
where do you live
I'm sure you could find out, but hey I was being facetious...
Not sure about you sometimes. Don't knock on my door...
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.
limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.
It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't
really factor into much at all.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
MRO wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm
If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
you are NOT a good person...
so you want me to prove to myself that i'm NOT a good person?
you don't even know me. how do you think that there would even be any type of proof?
MRO wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call that the Spirit calling you.
i actually had god talk to me and work through me. god told me a
friend of mine was in danger and i saved them.
I did several out of character things to do this. I did a B&E on
someone I had not seen in a long time.
There was no doubt in my mind what was happening and the outcome was
that my friend ended up being alive and their child still had a parent.
several things with no explaination also happened. and i'm no
religious nut. i havent been to church since i was like 10. ---
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
geopolitical discussions.
That doesn't seem to be as much of a deal in Australia. I don't see
too manyAustralian Christians be as rabidly pro-Israel, and the few
that are, they are specifically because they are following US politics.
It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't really factor into much at all.
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I
believe
it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist
will
be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
a one world joining.
I can't see who that would be. China for example doesn't want to run
the orld.
Russia doesn't. I've heard this prophecy before, but there are no candidates.
How many lies have you told?
Have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you?
Blaspheme?
Lust?
Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 11:08 am
where do you live
I'm sure you could find out, but hey I was being facetious...
Not sure about you sometimes. Don't knock on my door...
OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door.
see you soon, friend.
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Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on
Sat May 10 2025 11:46 pm
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun
May 11 2025 06:42 pm
limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.
Then why bother discussing about 'him'?
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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
geopolitical discussions.
That doesn't seem to be as much of a deal in Australia. I don't see
too manyAustralian Christians be as rabidly pro-Israel, and the few
that are, they are specifically because they are following US politics.
It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't really factor into much at all.
And with some people, it could be the case. I see everything through
a Biblical worldview, so I don't think of it as geopolitical FOR ME.
I also recognize that the Jewish people have denied Christ as
Messiah, so the people might be God's chosen, but the individuals
are sadly doomed.
Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
where do you live
OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door. see you soon, friend.Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.
There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill orders for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just
average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they
were open. So no jobs lost there, either.
Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little
friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.
Have a great day Mr O.!
That makes NO sense??? Why would God choose people who are doomed,
because of their rejection of Christ?
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Tue May 13 2025 08:45 am
where do you live
OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door. see you soon, friend.Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.
LOl, Cougar428... well said...
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on
Tue May 13 2025 06:59 pm
Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.
That's not how it is. Jesus said if they don't believe Moses they won't believe miracles either.
I need to see/experience something myself to believe
PHIGAN wrote to MORTAR <=-Because of the decadent fast food wage in California they added self checkouts, but seniors, disabled or people who are techphobes can be served by someone.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
NIGHTFOX wrote to PHIGAN <=-I like WinCo, they have a good in house pizza place.
Re: Checking Out
By: phigan to Mortar on Mon May 12 2025 05:44 pm
There's a popular chain of grocery stores in my area (WinCo) that has relatively low prices. They have checkers, but you have to bag your
own stuff (which they say contributes to keeping their prices low). They've always been like that.
Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would arise and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to Boraxman on Tue May 13 2025 10:04 pm
Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would
arise
and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Tue May 13 2025 08:45 am
Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little
friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.
you are probably a horrible aim.
Have a great day Mr O.!
you said my name wrong.
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
New default: Your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone in Signal. If you use Signal, your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone you chat with by default.
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.
The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.
Yep! I've had people say, if God is so 'good,' why is there so much evil
in the world? I've answered, "if God should get rid of evil, should He
start with you or me?"
Love someone else, other than God?
Love someone else, other than God?
Actually I think the modern interpretation of the Bible is that you are
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they were open. So no jobs lost there, either.
They don't bag your stuff for you, though.
you are probably a horrible aim.
Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.
you said my name wrong.
No I didn't.
Have a wonderful day!
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 23:46:20
Hate to butt in, but we wouldn't even have this problem if stores weren't
Re: Re: Most memorable modernyou didnt start it but you can just not reply or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.
By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
Right. If the others can move I can follow. Don't hate me I didn't start it.
They don't bag your stuff for you, though.
The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would rather bag my own stuff so that the cold stuff all gets bagged together.
you can just not reply
or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 02:21 pm
you can just not reply
Right.
or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.
Not sure about my skills but I'll see.
you should be able to cut and paste in most telnet clients.
The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would
we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers, you're fooling yourself.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 03:49 pm
you should be able to cut and paste in most telnet clients.
That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives me 450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.
It's a wonder that it works at all.
please use quoting.My bad, still getting used to using BBS boards.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
From the link I posted:
New default: Your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone in Signal. If you use Signal, your phone number will no longer be visible
to everyone you chat with by default.
[...]
If you don't want people to be able to find you by searching for your phone number on Signal, you can now enable a new, optional privacy setting. This means that unless people have your exact unique username, they won't be able to start a conversation, or even know that you have
a Signal account - even if they have your phone number.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on
Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good
operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and
then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts at
my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and stole
a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If
you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman
on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am
They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.
The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.
Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.
See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost, you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.
It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly fuck
with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply that
means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold
and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post-
scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk about
because everybody is on the same footing.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on
the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.
we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of
knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but
still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or what-have-you could potentially at some
point get information, there is no point.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:03 am
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't pla
it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.
i dont recall saying anything like that.
I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide
network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or
what-have-you could potentially at some
point get information, there is no point.
i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you might think.
I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever info they can
people and sell it.
it's probably happening all the time.
Star Trek is idealistic, overly idealistic. In reality, we neither have the capacity nor motivation to make it work. In the Star Trek future, humanity is emmiserated, and resigned to stuffing their faces to an early death in an ecologically destroyed, overcrowded hell-scape.
Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good
operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and
then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts
at my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and
stole a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then
nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If
you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:01 am
you are probably a horrible aim.
Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.
you wont see it coming. all you will see is the bright white light.
you said my name wrong.
No I didn't.
yes you did.
Have a wonderful day!
it might be your last....
Quoting Phigan to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Checking Out
By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Wed May 14 2025 08:47 am
The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would
That'd be motivation for me to shop elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGFs_NhcOk
I'm the guy in the hat.
Quoting Arelor to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am
They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.
The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.
Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.
See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost,
you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time
to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use
with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.
It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces
all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly
fuck with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply
that means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold
and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post-
scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that
point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk
about because everybody is on the same footing.
Quoting Mro to Arelor <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on
the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they
were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.
we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have
or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is
the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but
still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of
computers, you're fooling yourself. -!-
Quoting Arelor to Mro <=-
By the way, perfect informational security is mathematically possible
and you can actually deliver a message you encrypt using pen and
pencil through a compromised computer, and it will be uncrackeable by
any machine no matter how arbitrarily advanced it is. This is
certainly not used for public Internet activity but it has been known
to be used in the wild when it mattered, so there is that.
Quoting Mro to Jcurtis <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:49 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.
okay take a piece of transparent paper and and a crayon and draw over
the entire paragraph of text to make a copy. next take the paper next
to the computer and type out the past text. next roll the piece of
paper up into a cylindar and turn it sideways. insert into your
asshole. -!-
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff.
That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives m
450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in
1994 though.
That.... is awesome. ;) I ran DV as long as I could until I decided to move over to linux around 2000. I still have a machine that runs it, if I turn it on, but it doesn't have the horsepower to do all of that.
IIRC, there was some way to copy text in a DV window, but whatever you were trying to paste it into would need to be "DV-aware" (I think) in order to accept the text.
If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads
I am pretty sure that SLMR and other older DOS QWK packet
readers used to work under DV.
As you have some networking going on, you could also up/download your QWK packets to/from the bbs via ftp.
QWK readers (usually) allow you to change the conference number that you
are going to put your reply into.
Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a thing.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:08 am
Star Trek is idealistic, overly idealistic. In reality, we neither ha the capacity nor motivation to make it work. In the Star Trek futur humanity is emmiserated, and resigned to stuffing their faces to an ea death in an ecologically destroyed, overcrowded hell-scape.
That may be true now, but maybe some things can change a bit in a few hundre years. Or maybe it will take more time. Looking at humanity's history, we' gone from cave men to being organized enough to build cities that we live in with services we need, and so on. It might not be perfect, but over time things might continue to improve. Hopefully.
Nightfox
If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads
Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a
thing.
I am pretty sure that SLMR and other older DOS QWK packet
readers used to work under DV.
SLMR was my favorite way back when. But that's for later. Right now I'm having
too much fun the hard way.
That.... is awesome. ;) I ran DV as long as I could until I decided to move over to linux around 2000. I still have a machine that runs it, if I turn it on, but it doesn't have the horsepower to do all of that.
Linux is too easy. DOS you can fight all night. And still lose.
you could also up/download your QWK packets to/from the bbs via ftp.
The Novell DOS FTP client works with my linux FTP server. My client is behind a firewall though. Not sure if that's a problem. I'll see.
There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.
i dont recall saying anything like that.
I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.
You were objecting to the idea that one can take measures to protect their privacy.
I was arguing that to some degree, you can ameliorate some threats and reduce the danger.
What specically then, is your objection to that?
The fact that the government could find where I live, but you would NOT, that point is lost on you.
I'm not arguing this anymore
So tell me, where do I live?
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of
computers, you're fooling yourself. -!-
Not a criminal? Wait just a minute Mr White Light...
Now to see about QWK via FTP
That.... is awesome. ;) I ran DV as long as I could until I
decided to move over to linux around 2000. I still have a
machine that runs it, if I turn it on, but it doesn't have the horsepower to do all of that.
Linux is too easy. DOS you can fight all night. And still lose.
Linux isn't quite so easy when you are trying to run DOS executables
under it. ;)
Now to see about QWK via FTP
In the QWK menu I don't see any way. Maybe that's only for sysops? IDK.
There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.
In a Telnet session shelled to DOS they would need to support I/O via stdin/stdout. Makes me curious to see ...
i dont recall saying anything like that.
I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.
You were objecting to the idea that one can take measures to protect their privacy.
I was arguing that to some degree, you can ameliorate some threats and reduce the danger.
What specically then, is your objection to that?
my objection is that it's a false sense of security.
Linux isn't quite so easy when you are trying to run DOS executables
under it. ;)
dosbox and dosemu2 do a good job. All my BBS doors run with dosemu2
with no problem.
No, unless the board is configured differently. You would use the QWK
menu, via your telnet session, to configure your packet options and choose the areas you want scanned.
Once you have done that, to download your QWK packet from that synchronet board, you would just use the ftp client to connect to the board's url address (i.e. vert.synchro.net) and then 'get VERT.QWK'. The BBS will create a packet for you and send it.
To send up REP packets, you just 'put VERT.REP' and the board will know
what to do with it.
If your ftp client doesn't support passive, it might present some issues
Bogomips wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 10:01 pm
How many lies have you told?
Have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you?
Blaspheme?
Lust?
Love someone else, other than God?
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun
May 11 2025 06:42 pm
limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.
Then why bother discussing about 'him'?
Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-
It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
I also recognize that the Jewish people have denied Christ as
Messiah, so the people might be God's chosen, but the individuals
are sadly doomed.
That makes NO sense??? Why would God choose people who are doomed, because of their rejection of Christ?
This is just batty. Someone is having you on here.
"Judeo-Christianity" is one of the biggest scams ever pulled in
history. No wonder you Americans are stuck in the Middle East pouring money into that tate.
The whole thing is maintained, I'm sure, to keep the arms, money and support going.
Dumas Walker wrote to PHIGAN <=-
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to
get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks
open. So the self-checkouts are taking jobs from people that don't
exist.
There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill
orders for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just no one that wants to be a cashier or to man the
self-check banks.
phigan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they
were open. So no jobs lost there, either.
They don't bag your stuff for you, though.
Boraxman wrote to Jcurtis <=-
In the end, it comes down to whether you believe a claim made by
another human being or not, and for me, I generally don't.
I'm not close minded, I have experienced things that defy explanation myself, but I need to see/experience something myself to believe.
Jcurtis wrote to Boraxman <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 07:59 am
I need to see/experience something myself to believe
Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would
arise and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to Boraxman on Tue May 13 2025 10:04 pm
Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would
arise
and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff. ---
Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Mortar <=-
Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 23:46:20
Hate to butt in, but we wouldn't even have this problem if stores
weren't too lazy to fully staff lines like they did, once upon a time.
Arelor wrote to Bogomips <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to jimmylogan on Tue May 13 2025 04:42 am
Love someone else, other than God?
Actually I think the modern interpretation of the Bible is that you are supposed to love other humans at least as much as you love God.
There is all this New Testament approach of "Whatever you think [Jesus] would do for the people, do it yourselves" which is the functional
reason why Christianism is not retrocompatible with Judaism. The whole
New Testament feels like a nerf against a doctrine that used to be
about gaining strength and power through faith and feats. I don't think the New Testament is easy to reconciliate with the Old One, which I
think is the reason why modern Catholics focus so much on Christ but
don't touch earlier theology that much.
Jcurtis wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
Right. If the others can move I can follow. Don't hate me I didn't
start it.
Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
at least some of it goes in the bags. The downside to curbside and
home delivery is not being able to pick out your own produce & such, though I think that hasn't been a big deal so far. Also sometimes they
do make mistakes; recently I bought some drinks and I ordered the sugar-free version but some of the ones they got were the sugared
version. I didn't notice until later.. I often notice some things when
I pick up my groceries at curbside, but I didn't notice that when I
picked up those groceries.
Cougar428 wrote to MRO <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
To send up REP packets, you just 'put VERT.REP' and the board will know
what to do with it.
It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.
Boraxman wrote to Jcurtis <=-
In the end, it comes down to whether you believe a claim made by another human being or not, and for me, I generally don't.
Do you believe George Washington existed? Abraham Lincoln?
Or another leader from your history that existed before
photographs?
I'm not close minded, I have experienced things that defy e
myself, but I need to see/experience something myself to believe.
I dare say you believe a LOT of what you have been 'taught' to
believe, even though you didn't see or experience it... :-) Most
of us do.
Just the fact that you are using
Facebook means data is being generat
The only way to stop that data
gathering is to desist from
participating in it. Whether doing
Instead you have to ask why doesn't
the ugly guy get the girl.
I can't see humanity united. In fact
don't think there IS such a thing as
"humanity". The "one world, one
people" vision is a hellscape, an ut
transfer protocol. There is DSZ (th
official one) and a few other
DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, l
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
I can't see humanity united. In fact,I don't think there IS such a
thing as "humanity". The "one world, one people" vision is a
hellscape, an utter hellscape. I live in a city which is going for "Diversity", and no, please, God no, I don't want that the future.
It's awful and inhuman.
Jcurtis wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet,
then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.
jimmylogan wrote to Foriest Jan Smith <=-
I work in education (IT for a local public school system) and
budgetary issues are ALWAYS a concern. So at least in our
district, we have a limited amount of money, and a limited
pool of people willing to work.
jimmylogan wrote to Jcurtis <=-
Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)
Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)
It would be nice to keep the religious discussions on the religion
subboard, since Digital Man was accomodating enough to create one.
It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet,
then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.
I think that's meant to preserve your new scan pointers.
It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?
I've accepted that people do it, but
still don't really understand why.
It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.
My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
mode before transferring. Second try much better.
I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks
open. So the self-checkouts are taking jobs from people that don't exist.
Yep - no one wants to work anymore! Covid helped with that, when
people were getting paid to stay home...
There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill orders for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just no one that wants to be a cashier or to man the self-check banks.
This! We use delivery now because they finally deliver to our
rural area, and I don't have to spend 20 minutes ONE WAY into
town, then spend the time shopping, then check out, load my
truck, drive back home and bring the stuff up the steps. :-)
With delivery, they put it AT THE TOP OF THE STEPS so I literally
just open my carport door and bring the stuff in. :-) Love it!
yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff. ---
Maybe we need a Christianity sub...
You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!
Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.
Are you a 'rocket scientist'?
Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see unity.
Dumas Walker wrote to PHIGAN <=-
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks
yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff. ---
Maybe we need a Christianity sub...
His house, his rules. Jesus is not a license to harass people who don't
want to hear it.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where
they bag your stuff for you.
I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to
get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks
how far back is this shit? time to update your msg pointers
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on
Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm
Just the fact that you are using
Facebook means data is being generat
The only way to stop that data
gathering is to desist from
participating in it. Whether doing
Yeah, I don't use any of that shit, so
I think I'm good.
It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?
I've accepted that people do it, but
still don't really understand why.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Fri May 16 2025 08:35 am
I can't see humanity united. In fact
don't think there IS such a thing as
"humanity". The "one world, one
people" vision is a hellscape, an ut
I think the idea is more to eliminate
economic borders. Political borders,
too, maybe, but we can work on the
economic ones first. You can grow
bananas better than me and I can grow
peppers better than you. There's no
reason we can't work together from
afar.
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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
I can't see humanity united. In fact,I don't think there IS such a
thing as "humanity". The "one world, one people" vision is a
hellscape, an utter hellscape. I live in a city which is going for "Diversity", and no, please, God no, I don't want that the future.
It's awful and inhuman.
Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see
unity.
I read an interesting SF book series by Christopher Nuttall starting
with the book Ark Royal. It's an interesting look at a spacefaring
future where separate political powers explore and colonize space
without having unified into a single political entity. They end up fighting an alien race, but don't have the idealistic "one world" trope most science fiction has.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman
on Sun May 18 2025 10:00 am
Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see unity.
I find your optimism soooooo cute.
Historical record proof people does not unite in the face of invasions. Heck, the Roman modus operandi was to arrive to a place, identify disidents that opposed the regime that ruled that place, seed division, cause conflict and then grab the scraps that remained. It is the same
with modern superpowers, really, except modern superpowers are much
worse at it.
Heck, even the idealized colonization of the Americas by Spain is total myth. 200 Spaniards that hadn't taken a shower in ages disembarked and convinced the natives to fight other natives - which was easy because
they already had conflicts going on - and eventually grabbed the power.
But if you want something more recent, just keep in mind that in the Spanish civil war the Republican side could not maintain an unified
army. The members of one syndicate didn't respect the members of this other union, it was a meshup of different uncohesive armies (many of
them didn't even deserve the classification of "army"). You would think that with Fascist knocking on the door, people would unite and stand in coordination, but no.
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Re: Retro DOS
By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on
Fri May 16 2025 09:26 am
transfer protocol. There is DSZ (th
official one) and a few other
DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, l
Super Zmodem (IIRC) was cool how it let
you chat and play simple games while
transfering files.
Then there was leech Zmodem :D.
That is what still bugs me the most about it. People say that it helps keep in touch, as if there were no other way to do it. Why do you need to involve a predator in our communication? Why do you feel the need to make everything about me logged and tracked, just to show me a photo?
Not that I believe an alien invasion is even remotely likely, but if they were to come, they'd only need to plant some seeds of division, and watch us destroy each other. There are plenty of people who will point to the Aliens ideology and use that as justification for why they should remove their ideological opponents here on Earth.
Quoting Jimmylogan to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to MRO <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
zygote
Quoting Phigan to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm
Just the fact that you are using
Facebook means data is being generat
The only way to stop that data
gathering is to desist from
participating in it. Whether doing
Yeah, I don't use any of that shit, so
I think I'm good.
It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?
I've accepted that people do it, but
still don't really understand why.
Quoting Phigan to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm
Instead you have to ask why doesn't
the ugly guy get the girl.
And why don't they ever show someone
needing to step out to the bathroom or
something? They never drink water or
pee in space? Come on!
Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm
You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!
Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.
I don't invest myself deeply in Star Trek and I don't watch much of
it, but I hear a lot of people talking about so-called post-scarcity economies and the ST series pops up a lot with those. If the subject
of post-scarcity economy pops up it is nearly unavoidable to dodge ST these days.
The fun part is that the the first time I heard from some
entertainment outlet that scarceless economies would still have poor people, it was from Enemy at the Gates, in which a Soviet officer
argued no matter how advanced a Soviet society became, there would
always be somebody who didn't get the girl he wanted and thus he would
be poor in comparison to others.
Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm
Are you a 'rocket scientist'?
I knew a bunch of rocket engineers at College. Most of them ended up
in the weapons industry. The library had a good section of books that touched cryptography, which is what you ought to check if you want to learn about informationally perfect safety and the like rather than,
you know, talk to rocket engineers who don't know what Shannon's
perfect secrecy laws are.
Quoting Dumas Walker to Jimmylogan <=-
yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff. ---
Maybe we need a Christianity sub...
The religion sub seems to be mostly empty so why create a new one?
Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful.
The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk,
Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.
Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via
telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Historical record proof people does not unite in the face of invasions. Heck, the Roman modus operandi was to arrive to a place, identify disidents that opposed the regime that ruled that place, seed division, cause conflict and then grab the scraps that remained. It is the same
with modern superpowers, really, except modern superpowers are much
worse at it.
phigan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
And why don't they ever show someone
needing to step out to the bathroom or
something? They never drink water or
pee in space? Come on!
there are the people with the earbud/mic who walk around in the store
talking to themselves while they are trying to pick which Cap'n Crunch
to buy.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on Mon May 19 2025 08:06 am
That is what still bugs me the most about it. People say that it help keep in touch, as if there were no other way to do it. Why do you need involve a predator in our communication? Why do you feel the need t make everything about me logged and tracked, just to show me a phot
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see i You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat y news to each person individually.
I've seen people also have group chats with their family these days too.. However, my family (and friends) don't do that.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon May 19 2025 08:24 am
Not that I believe an alien invasion is even remotely likely, but if t were to come, they'd only need to plant some seeds of division, and wa us destroy each other. There are plenty of people who will point to th Aliens ideology and use that as justification for why they should rem their ideological opponents here on Earth.
What editor are you using? I noticed that recently, your messages are formatted so that every line has an ANSI "reset all modes" code at the end (ESC[0m), formatted to be at the same column in each line. The result is tha in each line, there could be multiple spaces followed by that ANSI code. Tho spaces remain when I quote your message (as seen in the above quoted paragraph). For instance, this screenshot shows the message I'm replying to being edited in vim:
http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com:81/misc/boraxman_msg.png
I'm the author of SlyEdit (the editor I typically use), and I could make an update such that it could trim excess spaces from the ends of the quote line but generally I like to have it not mess with the original text if possible.
Nightfox
When I went on holidays, I would just send group e-mails. Ironically, it was someone else going on holiday that made me go on Facebook originally. They said they would post updates there, so I signed up for that reason. They didn't end up posting much anyway!
all the time. And sometimes I think it can get tiring to keep repeating the same information to multiple people. Facebook provides a format to post an
the Roman modus operandi was to arrive to a place, identify disidents that opposed the regime that ruled that place, seed division, cause conflict and
economic ones first. You can grow
bananas better than me and I can grow
peppers better than you. There's no
reason we can't work together from
afar.
I think this is the vision, and the purpose is to destroy what makes us huma and unique, and create a humanity which is just nothing more than a herd
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see i
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
I can confirm - I use FTP every day and if I'm logged in, the FTP
session doesn't detect any new messages to pack.
There was a funny Finnish parody of most SF out there, in one scene the captain is seen coming out of the bridge bathroom with a line of toilet paper stuck to his shoe.
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook
provides way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them
can see i
At one time, while Facebook was gaining traction, ISPs still provided you with 'web space' where you could post and share things like that. People just didn't want to learn how. It would still be a thing if people used it.
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides a way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see it. You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat your news to each person individually.
I've seen people also have group chats with their family these days too.. However, my family (and friends) don't do that.
I give up. You've proven you are way smarter than I am. I think the
original idea was to keep yourself safe, and the best way to do that is
not to write down the secrets. If you don't write them down, you won't
need to encrypt them. And thus, if you don't engage in the activity in
the first place - you can't get burned.
Some of my family used to send group emails. I don't think I've seen them do that since maybe 2011 though. I don't think I even know most of my family's email addresses. And it seems most people only use email for signing up for web sites & services these days.
I realize all of those things you said, and they have already been considered. No time to catch up with your family? Then why is it so important that you willingly give out personal information to do it? The part that I quoted tho, I think you are wrong about. People seem to LOVE talking about themselves and they have no qualms about repeating stories to multiple people (or posting them to multiple places) :).
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides a way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see it. You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat your news to each person individually.
It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?
Wat? It's the exact opposite. If you can grow the best bananas, you are unique, and we all benefit from your unique quality by letting you grow all the bananas.
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to jimmylogan <=-
jimmylogan wrote to Foriest Jan Smith <=-
I work in education (IT for a local public school system) and
budgetary issues are ALWAYS a concern. So at least in our
district, we have a limited amount of money, and a limited
pool of people willing to work.
Can you give students work-credit for helping out? Maybe make a course
out of it. :)
Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)
It would be nice to keep the religious discussions on the religion
subboard, since Digital Man was accomodating enough to create one.
His house, his rules. Jesus is not a license to harass people who don't want to hear it.
Nightfox wrote to phigan <=-
Not everyone lives near each other, so it can be hard to get together. Also, I'm all for phone calls, but I think not everyone has the time
for a phone call all the time. And sometimes I think it can get tiring
to keep repeating the same information to multiple people. Facebook provides a format to post an update once and everyone can see it when
they check.
Aside from that, there are companies that post information about events
& such on Facebook. But I know Facebook isn't the only source for that information.
Dumas Walker wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill orders for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just no one that wants to be a cashier or to man the self-check banks.
This! We use delivery now because they finally deliver to our
rural area, and I don't have to spend 20 minutes ONE WAY into
town, then spend the time shopping, then check out, load my
truck, drive back home and bring the stuff up the steps. :-)
With delivery, they put it AT THE TOP OF THE STEPS so I literally
just open my carport door and bring the stuff in. :-) Love it!
During the height of COVID, I did use the drive-thru for a while. Then
I decided I was in good enough health that it was better to go in and
let those resources be used for others who couldn't.
I have a sister who has two young grandkids. She has been doing drive-thru so she doesn't have to take the kids into the store.
I have not tried delivery but I have heard decent things about it.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: MRO to jimmylogan on Sun May 18 2025 06:28 pm
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where
they bag your stuff for you.
I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to
get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks
how far back is this shit? time to update your msg pointers
Replying to messages posted within *gasp* the past week? Oh the
horror!
Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
Quoting Jimmylogan to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to MRO <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
zygote
Please elicidate! Enlighten me.
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died
85 years ago.
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
I think that the people discussing christianity in this general forum
should move to whatever forum exists for that purpose. Since they keep
repeating the subject matter here, I think it was a hint. Of course, in
light of who posted that message - I might be completely
misunderstanding what it meant.
Have a wonderful day!
Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful. The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk,
Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel bad
In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
At the high school, they have students that 'work' as teacher
aides as part of their day. Some of them help out the tech lead
in that building (I work district wide), we we are doing a
form of this.
I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to
anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
to mine.
That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.
We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
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Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful.
The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk,
Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died
85 years ago.
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
Have a great day!
Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-
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@REPLY: <682B2346.65355.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Mon May 19 2025 10:25 pm
When I went on holidays, I would just send group e-mails. Ironically, it was someone else going on holiday that made me go on Facebook originally. They said they would post updates there, so I signed up for that reason. They didn't end up posting much anyway!
Some of my family used to send group emails. I don't think I've seen
them do that since maybe 2011 though. I don't think I even know most
of my family's email addresses. And it seems most people only use
email for signing up for web sites & services these days.
phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-
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@REPLY: <682A5F10.65345.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on
Mon May 19 2025 08:10 am
economic ones first. You can grow
bananas better than me and I can grow
peppers better than you. There's no
reason we can't work together from
afar.
I think this is the vision, and the purpose is to destroy what makes us huma and unique, and create a humanity which is just nothing more than a herd
Wat? It's the exact opposite. If you can grow the best bananas, you are unique, and we all benefit from your unique quality by letting you grow all the bananas.
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on
Sun May 18 2025 08:26 pm
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides a way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see it. You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat your news to each person individually.
I've seen people also have group chats with their family these days too.. However, my family (and friends) don't do that.
I think people who still have meaningful social contact in the real
world has a blast when they get to talk to different groups of friends
and tell them about great news, even if it means they have to repeat
the news multiple times.
You know, telling news, igniting a conversations, then repeating the process with a different group of friends.
I don't think most people is extracting that sort of interaction from Social Media. You upload the photo, people clicks on "share" and "like" and make some inane comment (if any comment at all) and then moves to
the next interesting thing.
When I was on Social Media (during Covid), it just led to disagreements and arguments. Yes, I did message some people I had found that I hadn't gotten into
contact with since school, but that never really got anywhere.
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
... BoraxMan
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)
over by me walmart does free shipping if you buy 35 bucks or over.
so i go with that. last time though, my water was damaged. i was going
to give the guy a big tip for delivering 4 waters but he bolted out of there. then i noticed they were smashed up and leaking. dude was
rushing so fast. i was going to bring my dolly to the car and tip him good.
phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There was a funny Finnish parody of most SF out there, in one scene the captain is seen coming out of the bridge bathroom with a line of toilet paper stuck to his shoe.
Yup! See, that's good stuff.
Cougar428 wrote to PHIGAN <=-
tethered to their phone. I was at the grocery store in line, and there
was a teenage girl in front of me with her mom. She was having an
anxiety attack as she forgot to take her phone with her. Afraid she
might have missed a text or ping from FB or X or whatever.
In the parking lot, I see people walking to the entrance with their
eyes glued to the phone. Not even watching where they are going. Then
there are the people with the earbud/mic who walk around in the store
talking to themselves while they are trying to pick which Cap'n Crunch
to buy.
I see parents buying phones for 7 year olds. I guess that's where it
starts. Once they see that they can get instant gratification and
don't have to actually 'connect' with anyone - they're off.
Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-
Apologies, I'm not well educated on 'post scarcity economy'. Sadly
this
is the first time I've heard the term. So you kind of lost me here. I
think I may have been watching Star Trek when this was discussed and
missed the idea altogether.
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
Have a great day!
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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
When I went on holidays, I would just send group e-mails. Ironically,
it was someone else going on holiday that made me go on Facebook originally. They said they would post updates there, so I signed up
for that reason. They didn't end up posting much anyway!
phigan wrote to Nightfox <=-
At one time, while Facebook was gaining traction, ISPs still provided
you with 'web space' where you could post and share things like that. People just didn't want to learn how. It would still be a thing if
people used it.
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
I think people who still have meaningful social contact in the real
world has a blast when they get to talk to different groups of friends
and tell them about great news, even if it means they have to repeat
the news multiple times.
Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Cougar428 <=-
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
Arelor wrote to phigan <=-
think this is madness you ought to check how the cancer used to grow in the RPG industry: *some* people were mad because elves are better with bows than everybody else, because that implies an ethnic group is
superior to others in certain fields - and therefore the game is racist and must be burnt. The solution is to ensure elves are as lame with
bows as everybody else. Now you realize this people wants to accomplish the same thing in the real world.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator died
85 years ago.
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear this.
Good point, and I guess not one I've thought about either...
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
... " ! , , ... !" (Laryngitis)
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am
When I was on Social Media (during Covid), it just led to disagreements a arguments. Yes, I did message some people I had found that I hadn't gott into
contact with since school, but that never really got anywhere.
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise le Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
... BoraxMan
one thing i've noticed about myself is i no longer enjoy going out to restaurants or just to places. if it's a restaurant, i do take out. i am n longer in a relationship nor looking. i prefer to be alone. Since covid i ha been in this type of pattern and it hasn't changed. not sure if i'm abnorma or if i've just decided that i dont have time for the other shit in life. i have had 2 common law wives that add up to over 20 years, so there's that. maybe i'm done with people.
Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Mon May 19 2025 08:41 am
I give up. You've proven you are way smarter than I am. I think the
original idea was to keep yourself safe, and the best way to do that is
not to write down the secrets. If you don't write them down, you won't
need to encrypt them. And thus, if you don't engage in the activity in
the first place - you can't get burned.
Well, most stuff people needs security for are not hard secrets. They
need to be shared with others. The trick is you only want certain
people to know them, not *everybody*.
Life is all about risk mitigation. You cannot sit on your sofa all day long because you might get run over by a car if you go out. Eventually
you will starve and die. That is the reason why you go out using reasonable precautions, which is what all of this is about.
So yeah I think skipping Facebook for your family comms is a
reasonable precaution, specially because you can do what Facebook suposedly facilitiates... without Facebook.
Quoting Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to PHIGAN on Mon May 19 2025 08:41:32
It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people.
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more
harm than good...
Quoting Jimmylogan to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
Quoting Jimmylogan to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to MRO <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
zygote
Please elicidate! Enlighten me.
It's the last word. :-)
Quoting Phigan to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Mon May 19 2025 08:41 am
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
Don't forget, though, he was Austrian.
Quoting Nightfox to Foriest Jan Smith <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
It seems some people are drawn to getting into arguments with people
about politics & such on social media, and then get tired of doing
that and stop using it.
Quoting Jimmylogan to Jcurtis <=-
Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)
It would be nice to keep the religious discussions on the religion
subboard, since Digital Man was accomodating enough to create one.
His house, his rules. Jesus is not a license to harass people who don't want to hear it.
I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
to mine.
That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.
We always wondered during the show "24", in which events were supposed to happen in realtime - no one had to charge a cell phone or go to the bathroom...
The friends who started email lists because it was more efficient to talk to different groups of friends rang a bit hollow. If you need to make connecting with your friends "more efficient", you're missing the point of friendship.
Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Gamgee to jimmylogan on Mon May 19 2025 08:54 pm
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Political Correctness demands that we do not recognise race, and that
we simultaneously address racism and race based policies.
Race doesn't exist when it is suitable for Political Correctness, and suddenly does exist, when it is suitable.
I have a sister who has two young grandkids. She has been doing drive-thru so she doesn't have to take the kids into the store.
We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has its positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Pretty sure it has done more harm than good. It is the "best" way to spread disinformation about any subject you want, and also the "best" way for a foreign power to interfere with the populace in another country.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm
At the high school, they have students that 'work' as teacher
aides as part of their day. Some of them help out the tech lead
in that building (I work district wide), we we are doing a
form of this.
sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get
paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need
to pay. ---
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to Dumas Walker on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm
We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)
over by me walmart does free shipping if you buy 35 bucks or over.
so i go with that. last time though, my water was damaged. i was going
to give the guy a big tip for delivering 4 waters but he bolted out of there. then i noticed they were smashed up and leaking. dude was
rushing so fast. i was going to bring my dolly to the car and tip him good. ---
Gamgee wrote to jimmylogan <=-
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Boraxman wrote to Cougar428 <=-
If you listen carefully to the rhetoric of those stridently "Against racism" you'll see the same kind of language, same kind of ideas.
I hear constant utterly horrific things from so
called "tolerant" types. But because they think they are fighting the right, they don't see how terrible their views are.
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive
spam and advertising.
Boraxman wrote to MRO <=-
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much
as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
I used to use this phrase, "more than human" to describe myself. It
was my opposition to this "we are all just human" sentiment.
There is more to us than just being human, and reducing us to the
basest, lowest common denominator strips away what makes us...us.
Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Political Correctness demands that we do not recognise race, and that
we simultaneously address racism and race based policies.
Race doesn't exist when it is suitable for Political Correctness, and suddenly does exist, when it is suitable.
Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
zygote
Zyzzyva!
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Tue May 20 2025 06:56 am
We always wondered during the show "24", in which events were supposed to happen in realtime - no one had to charge a cell phone or go to the bathroom...
Funny how the leave out stuff like that from TV shows & movies
sometimes..
MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was
out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a
right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
I wouldn't blame them for getting rid of a person like that but also
there seems to be a bunch of witch hunts that people enjoy.
We like to cancel people.
in my old town there was a witch hunt thing over google reviews and a
bar. and people ended up making up stories that the owner sexually assaulted people. people got together online and made up stories and
even went to the court about it when he was having a license review. I was even contacted online to make up a story and show up.
Some nuts were even saying the owner was going to poison them when he
had an event where he did free booze. That's just horrible and ugly.
i think the human race is basically at war with itself. our monkey
brains and human brains can't figure shit out. ---
Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Dumas Walker to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Tue May 20 2025 09:20 am
Pretty sure it has done more harm than good. It is the "best" way to spread disinformation about any subject you want, and also the "best" way for a foreign power to interfere with the populace in another country.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
I don't think those countries do that out of a benelovent motivation to protect their citizens from bad outside influences. They more than
likely do so in order to maintain their own government's influence on their populace and prevent any outside influence that might lead their population to want to protest, revolt, or do anything against the government.
If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads
Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a
thing.
Yep, IIRC, Zmodem started as a DOS transfer protocol. There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.
My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
mode before transferring. Second try much better.
It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet, then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.
I think that's meant to preserve your new scan pointers.
Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via
telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.
It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.
My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
mode before transferring. Second try much better.
Sorry, I forgot to mention the 'binary' step when I was going over how it works. Some ftp clients don't need it but others seem to. I usually try
to remember to do it just in case!
Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.
I can confirm - I use FTP every day and if I'm logged in, the FTP
session doesn't detect any new messages to pack.
My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
mode before transferring. Second try much better.
The Synchronet FTP server *only* supports binary mode, so something else is u
Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Raising a 15 year old daughter and 21 year old son, I've seen those behaviors. Once with my son, we went to the car wash and both forgot
our phones. I just beamed, thinking I had 10 minutes where I could
just sit without distractions. My son was beside himself.
I see parents buying phones for 7 year olds. I guess that's where it
starts. Once they see that they can get instant gratification and
don't have to actually 'connect' with anyone - they're off.
They're convenient distractions, especially if you have a high-energy
kid. My wife was great at finding small kids activities for dinners
out and cars - lots of activity books the size of a paperback book with coloring pages and games. In retrospect, those are great activities
for a kid to engage with.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-
Apologies, I'm not well educated on 'post scarcity economy'. Sadly
this
is the first time I've heard the term. So you kind of lost me here. I
think I may have been watching Star Trek when this was discussed and
missed the idea altogether.
Another book recommendation is "The Midas Plague" by Frederik Pohl -
about a society where cold fusion makes energy cheap, and when energy
is cheap, the costs of production plummet and there's an
overabundance of abundance. The book discusses how society changes in several stories in ways you wouldn't think.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
techniques to do so.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..
Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said: We must learn to live together
as brothers or perish together as fools.
So if we are talking taxonomy, sure - species vs. race. But if
we are talking about unity and worth? I still say: one race -
the human race.
Well we do appreciate personal liberty. The thing is, they are trying to ca us up with the rest of the world where your rights don't matter.
Luckily the patriot act was not renewed but they are always trying to chip a at taking away our rights.
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get ri of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
I wouldn't blame them for getting rid of a person like that but also there seems to be a bunch of witch hunts that people enjoy.
We like to cancel people.
in my old town there was a witch hunt thing over google reviews and a bar. people ended up making up stories that the owner sexually assaulted people. people got together online and made up stories and even went to the court ab it when he was having a license review. I was even contacted online to make a story and show up.
Some nuts were even saying the owner was going to poison them when he had an event where he did free booze. That's just horrible and ugly.
i think the human race is basically at war with itself. our monkey brains a human brains can't figure shit out.
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comesThe Human Genome Project was not supposed to come to the conclusion that race was real. That was decided before it started.
down to how we define race.
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said: We must learn to live together
as brothers or perish together as fools.
So if we are talking taxonomy, sure - species vs. race. But if
we are talking about unity and worth? I still say: one race -
the human race.
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive spam and advertising.
The bulk of my inbox is junk. We still use it to communicate at work,
but I tell the teachers, "if you want me to see it NOW, text me."
... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
I used to use this phrase, "more than human" to describe myself. It was my opposition to this "we are all just human" sentiment.
There is more to us than just being human, and reducing us to the basest, lowest common denominator strips away what makes us...us.
Sure, there are a TON of different cultural differences. Being
a human doesn't take that away, but if saying we are all human
prevents racism, then why not?
Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
Political Correctness demands that we do not recognise race, and that we simultaneously address racism and race based policies.
Race doesn't exist when it is suitable for Political Correctness, and suddenly does exist, when it is suitable.
Do YOU recognize ethnicity as "race?"" As I have read more and more,
I've come to see where Hitler was getting his "race theory." Darwin
taught that we are all part of four races. The word Caucasian
comes from Caucasoid. The others were, to him, less evolved.
My point is that we are ALL equal - we just have different
body types, amounts of melanin, etc.
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the devil figure for the world.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Pretty sure it has done more harm than good. It is the "best" way to spread disinformation about any subject you want, and also the "best" way
for a foreign power to interfere with the populace in another country.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China,
Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintai
their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
I don't think those countries do that out of a benelovent motivation to protec
their citizens from bad outside influences. They more than likely do so in order to maintain their own government's influence on their populace and prevent any outside influence that might lead their population to want to protest, revolt, or do anything against the government.
Yep, IIRC, Zmodem started as a DOS transfer protocol. There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.
ZMODEM actually started as a file transfer tool/protocol for UNIX, not DOS (an
incremental improvement over YMODEM by Chuck Forsberg) - the program was calle
'sz' (for send zmodem) and 'rz' (for receive zmodem) and then later Chuck created DSZ (DOS Send ZMODEM, which does both the send and receive in the same
executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.
Didn't even know you were knocked up. Congrats. Girl, boy, or indeterminate?
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
Oh, my god - really? Elves and dwarves are different SPECIES!
I'm imagining a key and peele episode where the different species in D&D
are racial stereotypes...
(aside: I loved playing elves in D&D. Stealthy as all hell, and roll
high enough on dexterity and they'd get 3 attacks every 2 turns...)
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
I don't think those countries do that out of a benelovent motivation to protect their citizens from bad outside influences. They more than likely do so in order to maintain their own government's influence on their populace and prevent any outside influence that might lead their population to want to protest, revolt, or do anything against the government.
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
We always wondered during the show "24", in which events were supposed
to happen in realtime - no one had to charge a cell phone or go to the bathroom...
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Didn't even know you were knocked up. Congrats. Girl, boy, or indeterminate?
Maybe he would prefer to let it choose when it is old enough. ;)
Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.
FTP get VERT.QWK updates my pointers without any extra steps. Works
good. I don't need to login via telnet.
No doubt &W is useful in some way unknown to me.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the devil figure for the world.
From what I've heard, anti-semitic stuff is very frowned upon (if not illegal) in Germany. I think people in Germany these days realize how bad Hitler's policies were.
If you're *also* logged into the terminal server (e.g. via Telnet) at the same time as the FTP server and you make changes to your scan pointers/config on the terminal server, those changes are saved and re-used (e.g. for FTP-downloaded QWK packets) unless you either log-off the terminal server or use the &W command to write your new-scan config/ptrs to disk.
From what I've heard, anti-semitic stuff is very frowned upon (if not
illegal) in Germany. I think people in Germany these days realize how bad
Hitler's policies were.
I'd heard this too, however, when I visited the Porsche Deutschland R&D facility (for work) back in 2018, I found: 1. There was much less ethnic diversity than there is in California (I fit right in and everyone spoke German to me assuming I was one of them). In a large company like that, you could literally count the non-whites on your fingers.
2. Germans didn't take long to bring up Hitler (first lunch in the company cafeteria in fact) and quietly estol his virtues (economics, as I recall).
I didn't hear/see any anti-semitism however. And no swastiskas, though the German national eagle symbol (Coat of arms) is prevelant and evoked some WWII (books/media) flashbacks for me. From what I saw, Germany is a clean, quaint, beautiful historic country, but the people maybe haven't changed so much as we're lead to believe in the 80 years since WWII ended.
sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need to pay. ---
Well that escalated quickly... :-)
They aren't an employee. They get 'service hours' and high school credit
for it. It's better than just being put into a 'study hall' in the library. Better on the students I mean.
And they do the same thing I do - they will do Tier One troubleshooting mostly. Some of them know how to powerwash, so that is a step that can
be done before it gets to me.
so i go with that. last time though, my water was damaged. i was going to give the guy a big tip for delivering 4 waters but he bolted out of there. then i noticed they were smashed up and leaking. dude was rushing so fast. i was going to bring my dolly to the car and tip him good. ---
Ours is only free delivery at $35+ if you have "WalMart Plus." We bought
a year when it was 'on sale' for like $45, so it's WELL worth it to us!
The last few days they have been offering 'same day shipping' which is delivery, but no minimum. I've been taking advantage of that too, much
like Amazon Prime with the no minumum.
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive spam and advertising.
The bulk of my inbox is junk. We still use it to communicate at work,
but I tell the teachers, "if you want me to see it NOW, text me."
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
He asked how I'd feel if my neighbor put one up. I said as long
Rights can only really exist by limiting other people. The first amendment, if you actually read it, does not grant anyone a right.
The problem is that if private companies can 'punish' you, then you lose your freedom. You do NOT have freedom of speech, if your employer can take retribution and fire you for what you say outside of work.
The KKK example
is stupid, as this is not typical of what gets people fired. Should you be
I believe that private companies should not have the right to fire, and that America's weakness is it prioritises the right of Capital over Free Speech.
business. Again, a weakness in Capitalism, in that it allows political infiltration by supporting companies having "views".
... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
My childrens schools will send multiple emails a week. Sometimes multiple a day, and each is the same. Its a message with a subject, and you have to click a link to go to a web page. The webpage has the first few lines or first paragraph, then you have to click "read more" to get the rremaining few lines.
Why they don't just sent the text in the email itself is beyond me. Utterly ridiculous.
though.
If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
If we think this sample is relatable to friendships and family relationships, it gets things explained IMO.
sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they
get paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they
dont need to pay. ---
Well that escalated quickly... :-)
Well that escalated quickly... :-)
Don't mind him. He's probably downright angry (I sure would be) with the school referendum that got passed in his neck of the woods, recently. ;)
Regards,
Nick
The problem is that if private
companies can 'punish' you, then you
lose your freedom. You do NOT have
freedom of speech, if your employer
take retribution and fire you for wh
you say outside of work. The KKK
Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-Ar> relationships, it gets things explained IMO.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
You are prety much correct in that people does not socialize much
anymore. Every now and then some study pops out and shows loneliness statistics are up through the roof. I don't think Social Media in
itself is to blame here, though.
If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate
as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
If we think this sample is relatable to friendships and family
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
techniques to do so.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Educate me. Who are the few?
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Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Gamgee on
Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Race might be a social contruct with no significant biological basis,
but let me tell you nobody will mistake a throughbred for a
hispano-breton horse. And while we are at that, nobody will take a hispano-breton to a race, but they will have her pull a cart instead of the throughbred any day.
But even the idea that race lacks biological basis is thin because the origins of people can be traced via biological markers - that is the reason why we know gypsies come from India, for example, because they
are sufficiently distinct from other groups that their traits can be identified. And there are even hints that homo sapiens don't come from
a single ancestor either but from a number of family trees that evolved separatedly.
Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 11:04 pm
... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
My childrens schools will send multiple emails a week. Sometimes multiple a day, and each is the same. Its a message with a subject, and you have to click a link to go to a web page. The webpage has the first few lines or first paragraph, then you have to click "read more" to get the rremaining few lines.
Why they don't just sent the text in the email itself is beyond me. Utterly ridiculous.
is it because they are using some provider that does that for security?
my credit union does that.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 21 2025 10:55 pm
Rights can only really exist by limiting other people. The first amendment, if you actually read it, does not grant anyone a right.
i can't READ!
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
"First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The problem is that if private companies can 'punish' you, then you lose your freedom. You do NOT have freedom of speech, if your employer can take retribution and fire you for what you say outside of work.
we have freedom of speech from our govt. i wont be arrested for
wearing my kkk robes. it depends on the state, but some are at will
which means the employer can toss you for any reason as long as it's
not a protected reason like age/sex/religion,etc.
The KKK example
is stupid, as this is not typical of what gets people fired. Should you be
how dare you call my example stupid. how dare you.
I believe that private companies should not have the right to fire, and that America's weakness is it prioritises the right of Capital over Free Speech.
that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief.
you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a
protected class of person.
business. Again, a weakness in Capitalism, in that it allows political infiltration by supporting companies having "views".
every type of establishment has infiltrators. the KKK did.
greenpeace, the masons, anything big. they get in there and redirect
the focus. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed
May 21 2025 10:55 pm
The problem is that if private
companies can 'punish' you, then you
lose your freedom. You do NOT have
freedom of speech, if your employer
take retribution and fire you for wh
you say outside of work. The KKK
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
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Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
I'm going to give it a read.
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Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
i have amazon prime and order 3+ things a week. i love amazon.
that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief. you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a protected class of person.
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
not going out, staying at home was known in the 90s. I recall someone
talking of "cocooning" in the early 90s, where people were choosing to stay at home,
eat in, etc, instead of going out. So it was talked about back then, and
that was before the Internet became popular in households.
Is this trend towards unsatisfactory romantic relationships relatively
recent, or a longer term trend? I can see how it is true but I'm interested in when it started.
receive in the same executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.I remember my Carolina Blue floppy tht ProYamm camed on. Loved his programs.
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nature of social interaction is specially shallow. People goes out specifically for getting drunk with others and that is what friends are good for. I don't think you can have friends who get interested in your life projects or who you get to help with their life projects anymore.
Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
infringed. It prohibits an action.
They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.
Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
*social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.
If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
right is not absolute, which I agree with.
By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to some
degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to protect
people from being fired for their speech! If an organisation DOES
By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.
In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing peop he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe it is a wise way of managing a firm.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Thu May 22 2025 08:08 am
not going out, staying at home was known in the 90s. I recall someone
talking of "cocooning" in the early 90s, where people were choosing to stay at home,
eat in, etc, instead of going out. So it was talked about back then, and
that was before the Internet became popular in households.
Kids in the 90s I grew up with would play soccer all afternoon long
after homework. Usually they would play soccer all afternoon long
skipping homework altogether.
I think people in Spain still go out with outstanding frequency, but
the nature of social interaction is specially shallow. People goes out specifically for getting drunk with others and that is what friends are good for. I don't think you can have friends who get interested in your life projects or who you get to help with their life projects anymore.
Is this trend towards unsatisfactory romantic relationships relatively
recent, or a longer term trend? I can see how it is true but I'm interested in when it started.
It depends on how you define "recent". I think the first ones I read
were 5 to 10 years old at the most. I remember thinking a lot of the secondary issues pointed out in those studies seemed linked to Tinder
and Tinder-like dating applications.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: phigan to Boraxman on
Wed May 21 2025 06:58 pm
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
Fundamentally, there is a big difference between recognizing somebody
has a right and aproving of the way the right is used.
I may have the fundamental right of hitting my knee with a
sledgehammer, that does not mean you have to accept it is a wise course
of action.
In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing people he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to
the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe
it is a wise way of managing a firm.
For all the calls we get to diversify the workforce and people is
pushing for the notion that we have to eject anybody who does not
follow the uniparty out of the workforce. Good job, diversifiers.
and Tinder-like dating applications.
I've heard first had from people who had been in the dating scene a long, long time that these apps have indeed completely changed peoples expectations. They report exactly which this study said, that people aren't really looking for relationships. Its treated more like an online store where you can arrange a meal for the night or a one off visit.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 23 2025 08:00 am
and Tinder-like dating applications.
I've heard first had from people who had been in the dating scene a long, long time that these apps have indeed completely changed peoples expectations. They report exactly which this study said, that people aren't really looking for relationships. Its treated more like an online store where you can arrange a meal for the night or a one off visit.
most of the people on the dating sites are married and looking to
cheat. the single women are on the sugar daddy sites. sad times we
live in. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 22 2025 10:01 pm
Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
infringed. It prohibits an action.
They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
now i have to read the second one?!!?
i told you i can't read.
i think you are looking at this through a weird lens; we have laws,
tons and tons of laws. laws on top of laws. overlapping laws. old
laws. those complex laws state what our rights are and how it's to be handled.
we then have judges to interpret the laws when things go caca.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.
our entire legal system is not the declaration of independance
Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
*social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.
you are interpreting our free speech laws incorrectly. you are free to
say what you want. it wont protect you from getting canned from your
job if they decide you are not a fit to what they represent. You are
only protected if you are part of a protected category of person and
your rights have been violated based on your race, origin, age, sex, disability.
If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
right is not absolute, which I agree with.
it's (being fired from the workplace because of speech) not an
exemption because there is no actual violation of our laws. that's just how it is. it's only a violation based on what it is and if it
violates a protected class of person.
By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to
some degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to
protect people from being fired for their speech! If an
organisation DOES
so far it hasn't been an issue except people were canceled for dumb
shit during those witch hunts.
if it is an issue it can become a bill and be put through our system.
Nobody drives a car like it's owner.find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
i'm surprised men are still getting into relationships. they have too much to lose. must be the hormones.
I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.
Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.
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As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Not really. There is a clear definition of what race is, and it's not open to your personal interpretation. It's biology/science, and
factual.
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Again, "biology" *is* science. There aren't two definitions. Species
is one thing, and race is another. You don't get to create your own definition.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
When discussing scientific / technical things (of any sort), it's important to use proper terminology to avoid misunderstandings. There
is no such thing as the "human race". It really is that simple. There
is the human species, which has multiple races. That's how science
works. Words matter.
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Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Gamgee on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Witness today "scientists" now saying that sex is not a binary, that
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
support whatever the regime needed.
The answer is obviously yes, as we use race ALL THE TIME. Even those
who say race does not exist, use it ALL THE TIME. Now, whether it
should be called "Race" or "ethnicity" or "group", well, thats just semantics.
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Sure, there are a TON of different cultural differences. Being
a human doesn't take that away, but if saying we are all human
prevents racism, then why not?
What prevents racism is not jamming disparate peoples together into
one place.
The more you try and push people of different cultures and ethnicities together, the more antagonism you get.
Also, you are assuming that racism is the biggest evil. It is not.
There are bigger evils. Communism, which was supposed to unite the
world and destroy barriers between people, killed more people than
Nazism.
The West is hyper obssessed with racism to the point that it is
literally supporting ethnic cleansing so as not to appear racist.
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Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
I disagree. I think you misunderstand what Free Speech is for. Most
do.
I don't like the "hate speech is not free speech" argument, I think its subterfuge to block political opinion, but Free Speech is not about
your right to express yourself however you want.
People think that Free Speech is about you saying what you like. The idea, the supporting philosophy for Free Speech is the need for ideas
to be challenged, and for ideas to be challenged, then there must be protection for those challenging.
Free Speech is there to ensure that people are able to hear other
peoples ideas, in particular, those which challenge the established
norms, powers and are not the mainstream position.
The purpose of Free Speech, is to ensure that YOU can hear my argument
if you want to, and ensure that I can make my argument to those who are
a willing audience. If you are blocked from hearing arguments, you are harmed. It harms you more than me, because I already know what I'm
going to say, but you don't.
Flying a swastica says nothing. It is not an argument, not a
statement, and no one is harmed, or loses out on understanding a
contrary point of view, by not being able to see one. Not that I necessarily think that ban is right, but its ont a free speech issue really.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 03:30 pm
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
This is the party line I see in so many ruined and dead RPG forums. It usually comes from people who wants everybody to be equal even if that means they need to make everybody equally misserable. I don't buy it.
It is much more practical (and realistic) to embrace the fact humanity
is composed of people with different biomorphic dispositions and accept people belongs to different groups with different strengths and weaknesses.
The fun part is that diversity loving people can't accept humanity
itself is diverse.
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Oh, my god - really? Elves and dwarves are different SPECIES!
I'm imagining a key and peele episode where the different species in D&D
are racial stereotypes...
(aside: I loved playing elves in D&D. Stealthy as all hell, and roll
high enough on dexterity and they'd get 3 attacks every 2 turns...)
I usually Master rather than play, but when I do, I tend to pick a
Dwarf because I love being a grumpy short bearded guy who ruins every
good moment with his bad mood.
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Race might be a social contruct with no significant biological basis,
but let me tell you nobody will mistake a throughbred for a
hispano-breton horse. And while we are at that, nobody will take a hispano-breton to a race, but they will have her pull a cart instead of the throughbred any day.
But even the idea that race lacks biological basis is thin because the origins of people can be traced via biological markers - that is the reason why we know gypsies come from India, for example, because they
are sufficiently distinct from other groups that their traits can be identified.
And there are even hints that homo sapiens don't come from
a single ancestor either but from a number of family trees that evolved separatedly.
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Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need to pay. ---
Well that escalated quickly... :-)
They aren't an employee. They get 'service hours' and high school credit
for it. It's better than just being put into a 'study hall' in the library. Better on the students I mean.
And they do the same thing I do - they will do Tier One troubleshooting mostly. Some of them know how to powerwash, so that is a step that can
be done before it gets to me.
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
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If I tell you "Robert is Black, Harrison is White and Li is Asian",
and then I
give you a photo of three men, people WILL be able to tell who is who just from
those descriptors alone. Even if I photoshop everyone to have the
same skin
colour, you'll still be able to tell.
This means that race exists. When people select actors for an advertisement, for "Diversity", they select on race.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
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Re: Re: Checking Out
By: MRO to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 06:45 pm
i have amazon prime and order 3+ things a week. i love amazon.
I've never needed or wanted enough stuff to order that much, but I also have Amazon Prime and I like that I can order all kinds of things from there and many things have the quick shipping.
Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed May 21 2025 07:07 pm
find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
Nobody drives a car like it's owner.
I have been very lucky. 40+ years of marriage to the same woman. I wouldn't
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
Have you called your local school and complained?
There is a very thin line between the sugar daddy/sugar baby set up
and prostitution. I would not object to them being treated as such.
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
bill nye is not an authority on any of the stuff he speaks on. he's a weird fucker too.
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I don't think that's necessarily true.. For me personally, I'm not
really into drinking alcoholic beverages (I might have something with alcohol maybe once or twice in a year);
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Educate me. Who are the few?
Capitalists. Employers.
Quite often, if there is a conflict of rights, they will favour the minority (the employers).
One person may be in control of 1000 jobs, and Americans will default
to that one persons "right" of association to be of higher value than
the 1000 peoples right to Freedom of Speech.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...
Sorry to interject into the thread but...
My 38-yr old son got a new job this month and during this whole
process, he took time to come over to my house and thank me for
"raising him right."
Made my millenium...
(His mother left me with the 2 kids when he was 2 and his sister was
5. I raised them by myself... it wasn't easy but paid off as they are
both great kids.)
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
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Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
I'm going to give it a read.
I think the book I read was compiled from 4 novellas Pohl wrote in
Galaxy. Look around, you might find more...
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.
Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
I was also stationed in West Germany in the early 80's. I remember
asking and elderly woman about Hitler. She was not to pleased about
the subject. I don't think my question made her day.
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Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
Free speech is when you can SPEAK or WRITE, but not express
yourself however you want. Is expressing yourself punching
someone in the nose? That is not free speech.
People think that Free Speech is about you saying what you like. The idea, the supporting philosophy for Free Speech is the need for ideas
to be challenged, and for ideas to be challenged, then there must be protection for those challenging.
I don't disagree.
Free Speech is there to ensure that people are able to hear other
peoples ideas, in particular, those which challenge the established
norms, powers and are not the mainstream position.
The purpose of Free Speech, is to ensure that YOU can hear my argument
if you want to, and ensure that I can make my argument to those who are
a willing audience. If you are blocked from hearing arguments, you are harmed. It harms you more than me, because I already know what I'm
going to say, but you don't.
Sounds like we are saying the same thing. You should have the
ability to express yourself with your words or symbols.
Flying a swastica says nothing. It is not an argument, not a
statement, and no one is harmed, or loses out on understanding a
contrary point of view, by not being able to see one. Not that I necessarily think that ban is right, but its ont a free speech issue really.
My point in using that example is that you and I might agree that
it's a bad thing to fly, but what about when 'pop culture' says
that my Christian flag is hate speech to a subset of the
population? I could argue all day long that Jesus is the
oppisite of 'hate speech,' but that won't change someone's
mind.
So the issue becomes, who decides what is free speech/hate
speech?
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Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
If I tell you "Robert is Black, Harrison is White and Li is Asian",
and then I
give you a photo of three men, people WILL be able to tell who is who just from
those descriptors alone. Even if I photoshop everyone to have the
same skin
colour, you'll still be able to tell.
Yep - because we have been taught that dark skin = black race;
light skin = white race; etc.
And yeah, change the skin tone and you'll likely have an easy
time telling from facial features, unless you are looking
at a third or fourth generation 'mixed race.' In that case,
I dare say they may not be as easy to spot!
This means that race exists. When people select actors for an advertisement, for "Diversity", they select on race.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
My point is that they should NOT do this. People should be
identified by how they ARE and not how they LOOK.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:17 pm
There is a very thin line between the sugar daddy/sugar baby set up
and prostitution. I would not object to them being treated as such.
is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing
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Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Gamgee on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Witness today "scientists" now saying that sex is not a binary, that
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
support whatever the regime needed.
Another great example of 'scientists' saying things, based
on ideals rather than facts.
The answer is obviously yes, as we use race ALL THE TIME. Even those
who say race does not exist, use it ALL THE TIME. Now, whether it
should be called "Race" or "ethnicity" or "group", well, thats just semantics.
This I agree with. I think 'race' is a bad term. Cultural
group or something like that is better, in my opinion.
There are no 'white' people nor 'black' people. We all
have different levels of melanin in our bodies, so we
have different skin TONE. Some are darker; some are
lighter.
By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.
discrimination!!!!
Nobody drives a car like it's owner.
is that a masturbation joke?
1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a
didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
stands and breweries!
Have a great day!
jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=-
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jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Not really. There is a clear definition of what race is, and it's not open to your personal interpretation. It's biology/science, and
factual.
Can you give me an example? I've read a lot of references on
this tonight, and the general consensus has changed over time.
Race is now broadly considered a social construct rather than
a biological one.
Have you looked into the "one drop" rule? The geographical
theory? Do you consider races to be subspecies?
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Again, "biology" *is* science. There aren't two definitions. Species
is one thing, and race is another. You don't get to create your own definition.
You're right, I don't get to make up definitions. So whose do
we follow? Scientists today? Or scientists from the past? As
a wise man once said, science doesn't say anything - **scientists**
do. In other words, science is a process of gathering and interpreting data. If it always delivered absolute facts, its conclusions
wouldn't change over time.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
When discussing scientific / technical things (of any sort), it's important to use proper terminology to avoid misunderstandings. There
is no such thing as the "human race". It really is that simple. There
is the human species, which has multiple races. That's how science
works. Words matter.
As for your point about "proper terminology," I agree that words
matter - which is why I checked a few sources. Here's how **dictionary.com** defines things:
**Species** A group of related individuals that resemble one
another, breed among themselves, and are biologically distinct
from other such groups. Also: a group of persons related by
common descent or heredity.
**Race** Multiple definitions:
1) A group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
3a) *(no longer in technical use)* traditional divisions of humankind.
3b) An arbitrary classification based on physical characteristics
(skin, eye shape, etc.).
3c) A **socially constructed** category based on appearance,
ancestry, or shared culture.
6) *The human race* - humankind.
So... while you might not like the phrase 'human race,'
it's still used, even in formal dictionaries, as a synonym
for humankind. It carries spiritual and moral weight, and yes,
it still exists in scientific and educational language as a
broad reference to all people.
If you're discussing gene flow or breeding populations,
sure - use precise taxonomy. But if you're talking about
our shared humanity and dignity, I still say 'one race -
the human race' fits just fine.
Bogomips wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
Where I am, even some Wal-Mart locations eliminated self-checkout after adding them several years ago.
is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing
Probably wouldn't be considered prostition in a court of law, but that would just be a technical matter. For all intents and purposes, we know these women are selling their bodies for sex. Its just that there is a relationship component thinly painted on top.
NIGHTFOX wrote to <=-
I've never needed or wanted enough stuff to order that much, but I also have Amazon Prime and I like that I can order all kinds of things from there and many things have the quick shipping.
NIGHTFOX wrote to PHIGAN <=-
Yeah, I used to use my web space at my ISP. I didn't use it for
sharing updates about myself though.. After I first started using the internet in 1995, I started learning how to make web pages and would
use my ISP web space to store my work and share that. I made some
basic web pages with misc. content I saw elsewhere online. I'd also sometimes use my web space to store files I wanted to share with other people.
ARELOR wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am
If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate
as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
FORIEST JAN SMITH wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese social media app, lol
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 24 2025 12:45 pm
is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing
Probably wouldn't be considered prostition in a court of law, but that would just be a technical matter. For all intents and purposes, we know these women are selling their bodies for sex. Its just that there is a relationship component thinly painted on top.
well the one i found, you have to pay them to meet up.
i created a fake profile to see if i recognize any women in my area.
I use an old veteran's photo. i get a lot of offers.
I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm
1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a
My first duty station was in Wiesbaden. 81-82
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm
didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
stands and breweries!
Have a great day!
We used to just get on a train and not even know the town we got off
at. Rooms at the Gasthaus were around 8 dollars and came with
breakfast. Good times. Then part of my duty was driving all over
Germany checking survey markers, staying at Gasthauses and playing kegelban.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Bogomips <=-
Bogomips wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)
I miss program such as Microsoft Frontpage. It was one of the favorite apps I used to make websites in the late 90s/early 00s.
Livejournal likely was the reason why I stopped making home made webpages.
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but it is not.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Phigan <=-
Geocities. Cheezy and amazing at the same time.
Elf wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Have you seen Neocities?
https://neocities.org
"Create your own free website. Unlikmited creativity, zero ads."
Matthew Munson wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
I miss program such as Microsoft Frontpage. It was one of the favorite apps I used to make websites in the late 90s/early 00s.
Livejournal likely was the reason why I stopped making home made
webpages.
Matthew Munson wrote to FORIEST JAN SMITH <=-
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese >social media app, lol
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
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Have you seen Neocities?
https://neocities.org
"Create your own free website. Unlikmited creativity, zero ads."
I have! I wonder when the hipsters who started shooting with Lomo and Holga film cameras, then early digicams, will discover personal web
sites?
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
There is a great search engine
https://wiby.me
Only indexes simple web pages.
Click "suprise me" to be transported to the web at the turn of the century. I've come accross so much interesting stuff doing that.
Quoting Ogg to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Hello pF!
** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
Munson:
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
area to explore. I took my Citroen GSA up the river and crossed on a
ferry to visit a castle (of which I can't remember the name).
Good times in Europe.
Have a great day!
getting lunch and dinner at different Gasthauses. The hallenbad's were
great also. I feel like I should stop over at your place and we could
get lunch somewhere to talk about old times!
I wish you a great day.
They are both good, but I enjoyed German beer more. Now I don't drink
much. Might have a beer once in a 'Blue Moon' if you'll pardon the pun.
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:33 am
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
Have you called your local school and complained?
complain about what
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Re: Re: race
By: MRO to jimmylogan on Fri May 23 2025 02:21 pm
the spectrum is real. Even popularisers like Neil Degrasse Tyson and
Bill Nye have supported this. Science has always been willing to
bill nye is not an authority on any of the stuff he speaks on. he's a weird fucker too.
You replied to jimmylogan, but it looks like you quoted something from someone else (probably Boraxman?).
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Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 20:38:47
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
I've always associated freedom of speech with government rather than a private company's response to your speech. I think to assume otherwise
is kind of silly. I'd be glad if such individuals honestly suffered the social consequences (social consequences are not covered by freedom of speech, merely retaliation by government).
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
"Hate Speech" is just a mushy, vague sentiment used
to blanket-ban and smear anything they don't want discussed. Its a rhetorical device, a language construct used to sway emotion, not a descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
The "race is just a pigment of your imagination" was designed to
changes peoples attitudes, but it was the wrong approach. You can't
lie to people to change their attitudes, because they'll realise the
lie, and discard the lesson that accompanied the lie.
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper,
underlying evil motivation behind it.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
My point is that they should NOT do this. People should be
identified by how they ARE and not how they LOOK.
Now it is incorrect to attribute a specific racial stereotype to an individual, if that is what you mean. However you obviously can tell peoples ancestry from sight alone. You'd know I'm European, and not
Asian or African or Australian Aboriginal by looking at me.
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
I think the 'lay person" understanding, is correct. When I say "lay person" I mean those who aren't trying to abide by a Politically
Correct view. People, free of any particular ideological motivation reflexively understand, that Europeans and Sub-Saharan Africans kind
of belong to two distrinct groups, and within those, there are sub
groups. Nobody would see Greeks, Italians, Chinese and Japanese, and
see four wholly distinct groups, they would see two sets of two. This shows two levels of clustering. Clearly observable.
Gamgee wrote to jimmylogan <=-
jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Gamgee wrote to jimmylogan <=-
jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=-
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.
So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...
I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes
down to how we define race.
Not really. There is a clear definition of what race is, and it's not open to your personal interpretation. It's biology/science, and
factual.
Can you give me an example? I've read a lot of references on
this tonight, and the general consensus has changed over time.
Race is now broadly considered a social construct rather than
a biological one.
Have you looked into the "one drop" rule? The geographical
theory? Do you consider races to be subspecies?
Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we
are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races.
Again, "biology" *is* science. There aren't two definitions. Species
is one thing, and race is another. You don't get to create your own definition.
You're right, I don't get to make up definitions. So whose do
we follow? Scientists today? Or scientists from the past? As
a wise man once said, science doesn't say anything - **scientists**
do. In other words, science is a process of gathering and interpreting data. If it always delivered absolute facts, its conclusions
wouldn't change over time.
But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one
human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances,
but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring
our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity.
When discussing scientific / technical things (of any sort), it's important to use proper terminology to avoid misunderstandings. There
is no such thing as the "human race". It really is that simple. There
is the human species, which has multiple races. That's how science
works. Words matter.
As for your point about "proper terminology," I agree that words
matter - which is why I checked a few sources. Here's how **dictionary.com** defines things:
**Species** A group of related individuals that resemble one
another, breed among themselves, and are biologically distinct
from other such groups. Also: a group of persons related by
common descent or heredity.
**Race** Multiple definitions:
1) A group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
3a) *(no longer in technical use)* traditional divisions of humankind.
3b) An arbitrary classification based on physical characteristics
(skin, eye shape, etc.).
3c) A **socially constructed** category based on appearance,
ancestry, or shared culture.
6) *The human race* - humankind.
So... while you might not like the phrase 'human race,'
it's still used, even in formal dictionaries, as a synonym
for humankind. It carries spiritual and moral weight, and yes,
it still exists in scientific and educational language as a
broad reference to all people.
If you're discussing gene flow or breeding populations,
sure - use precise taxonomy. But if you're talking about
our shared humanity and dignity, I still say 'one race -
the human race' fits just fine.
You can still say whatever you want. It doesn't change the facts about what species and race are. When you write words that you claim are "quotes" from a site like dictionary.com, but in reality *paraphrase*
what was there to suit your own needs, you become someone that I won't discuss the subject with any longer. Go back to school and actually
learn something, and quit trying to be a "social warrior". Bye.
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.
I was reading articles that saying in the united kingdom virginity is increasing in their population. 1 in 8 people in the United Kingdom in their mid 20s never had sex.
Maybe people are scared of rejection.
Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:33 am
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
Have you called your local school and complained?
complain about what
What you are calling a scam.
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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
"Hate Speech" is just a mushy, vague sentiment used
to blanket-ban and smear anything they don't want discussed. Its a rhetorical device, a language construct used to sway emotion, not a descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".
Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.
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Hello pF!
** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
Munson:
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
Thats one of the best reasons NOT to use them. Any of them.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat
May 24 2025 12:08 am
I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.
Well, it boils down to acknowledging that having the State telling you which reasons are justifiable for contract termination is dangerous, because when the list becomes too complex to understand, employers
cease employing people altogether. aka. welcome to Spain. Also, as
things stand, that sort of thing tends to become weaponized
politically.
Honestly, the reasonable way to solve it as an employees is just not applying to positions at firms that seem likely to pull such a dick
move to begin with. The firms that do usually advertise themselves as virtue signaling scumbags openly so they are easy enough to avoid. When
I was doing research for magazine publishers I could skip about half
the available ones just because they seemed like the sort of people who would resort to ideological assassination. Frankly, if you are working
in such firm and they decide they want to kick you out, the worst thing that can happen is the State prevents them from firing you, because you end up working in a position nobody wants to keep you in.
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The "race is just a pigment of your imagination" was designed to
changes peoples attitudes, but it was the wrong approach. You can't
lie to people to change their attitudes, because they'll realise the
lie, and discard the lesson that accompanied the lie.
Yep - because men are evil at heart. People WANT to be racists,
because it's easier.
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper,
underlying evil motivation behind it.
Why horrendous?
Technically we are all from the same group of ancestors anyway.
Adam and Eve, specifically, but even after that, the eight on
the ark spawned the repopulation.
You cannot then argue it does not exist, when people use racial signifiers ROUTINELY and SUCCESSFULLY to categorise people.
My point is that they should NOT do this. People should be
identified by how they ARE and not how they LOOK.
Now it is incorrect to attribute a specific racial stereotype to an individual, if that is what you mean. However you obviously can tell peoples ancestry from sight alone. You'd know I'm European, and not
Asian or African or Australian Aboriginal by looking at me.
Ancestral - yes - but I look more white than anything, so should
I be blamed for slavery in the distant past? Should a 'black'
person be blamed for crime in another city?
These are stereotypes and have nothing to do with the
individual.
To be blunt, I was NOT raised this way. I was raised by a VERY
biggoted man - my father. In the south, it was normal. Thankfully
I have made my own decisions as I grew up and realized this was
NOT the proper way to think or act.
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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
I think the 'lay person" understanding, is correct. When I say "lay person" I mean those who aren't trying to abide by a Politically
Correct view. People, free of any particular ideological motivation reflexively understand, that Europeans and Sub-Saharan Africans kind
of belong to two distrinct groups, and within those, there are sub
groups. Nobody would see Greeks, Italians, Chinese and Japanese, and
see four wholly distinct groups, they would see two sets of two. This shows two levels of clustering. Clearly observable.
I don't deny that at all. If you go back to the Tower of Babal
account, people were staying together instead of spreading out
and repopulating the earth after the flood. God broke up their
language and they clustered at that point. They spread out
and over generations they got paler skin, darker skin, etc.
Facial features would cluster too. If you have people with
certain gene types (light hair dominant, dark regressive)
and they breed with another of the same, the offspring
will share this. Eventually the dark will be so far
regressive that it will only come up in RARE instances.
Now that's a basic way of saying it, but I hope you understand
what I'm saying...
And this is why the left wing extremists win.
Because the other sides solution is to "avoid" and "move on". Eventually you
run out of places to run to. You may as well just hand them Western
civilisation to tear apart...
When you constantly retreat, you LOSE. You are
advocating for our own emisseration.
I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.
descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".
A lot of crime is senseless, and the attacker has no prior animus towards the
victim. We do distinguish that from premeditated acts, so "Hate crime" still
doesn't make much sense, except to elevate one type of person over another.
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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 28 2025 08:48 am
A lot of crime is senseless, and the attacker has no prior animus towards the
victim. We do distinguish that from premeditated acts, so "Hate crime" still
doesn't make much sense, except to elevate one type of person over another.
the reasoning behind it is they want to punish people more for
targetting and attacking someone based on their protected class.
religion, sex, race, etc ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am
The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance.
Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight
strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants
you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I
like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good employees.
Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being
declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is
that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody
would know they are official failures.
The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was
the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies"
because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.
I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.
Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to
terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can.
If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination.
The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to
back off.
And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I
am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then
you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions
are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the economy in Spain is estimated to be underground. --
targetting and attacking someone based on their protected class. religion, sex, race, etc ---
I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black
person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a
"hate crime"?
I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a "hate crime"?
What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
speak up.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am
What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
speak up.
It... depends...
Quite frankly, this is the equivalent of having your company purchased
by a new owner that has no idea of how the business is run. You are certain they are going to crash the whole train. What people does in
these cases is to leave en masse. Quite often whole teams leave at once and build a competing alternative, at least that is my experience.
My experience is also that you can't fix management because management only hears what they want to hear. If management goes funky you have no hope of making it right because they are more powerful than you within
the company structure. Wise people only fights battles they can win.
And frankly, that seems to be working quite well because when you work
at "ground" level you don't see much ideological crap in economic activities. When I go do my shopping or whatever it is rare to find
woke in the real world. Yeah, some banks or supermarkets do a bunch of virtue signaling but those are easy enough to ostrazise.
Seriously, if there is reason to be concerned, is the amount of institutional advertisement we get. Europe is starting to look like
North Korea with so many ideological advertisements paid with contributor's money on TV and on the streets.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).
Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).
Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh, and PC).
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
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I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There is a great search engine
https://wiby.me
Only indexes simple web pages.
Click "suprise me" to be transported to the web at the turn of the century. I've come accross so much interesting stuff doing that.
jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-
Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.
jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper,
underlying evil motivation behind it.
Why horrendous?
Technically we are all from the same group of ancestors anyway.
Adam and Eve, specifically, but even after that, the eight on
the ark spawned the repopulation.
Arelor wrote to Matthew Munson <=-
From a rational point of view I cannot justify chasing a woman when I
can be making money or expanding my harvesting area instead. And for people who is tight on resources it is not a matter of justification
but of hard impossibility - they cannot pay the bidding price.
Arelor wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Also, a lot of things are defined as illegal just because it suits the government, but that does not mean they are immoral. For example, tax evasion in tax heavy regimes is an act of self-defense but they will
try very hard to convince the population that it is bad because it is illegal.
Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Just use Bitlbee (libpurple build) with any IRC client.
The intent of the law was that a crime was perpetrated on someone
*because* of their race or other protected status.
It's the difference between "let's kill this guy because he's an
asshole" versus "let's kill this guy because he's
black/muslim/gay/trans".
But, it can be loosely applied all too often - the same way everyone
except actual domestic terrorists can be called domestic terrorists.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status
quo and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for
some time.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?
Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
more effectively?
There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.
I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.
On 2025-05-03, Boraxman <MSRDBBS!Boraxman@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker
Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for smal chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).
Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look tha up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not b tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).
Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notic and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety people around and participating here and there. I say this frequentin BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh and PC).
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
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Just use Bitlbee (libpurple build) with any IRC client.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:04 am
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographi of the area.
End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no busin being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever hea a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?
But, like you said, it's not managements fault because they don't make bad decisions. Peter Principle.
Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There is a great search engine
https://wiby.me
Only indexes simple web pages.
Click "suprise me" to be transported to the web at the turn of the century. I've come accross so much interesting stuff doing that.
I'll have to take a look at that. I have a page, https://tilde.club/~poindexter, that I set up with Blosxom, a web site
blog app I liked back in the 2000s. It's a perl script that does
templating and creates static pages for your site based on text file
blog posts. Maybe that will qualify?
Very simply put. This "mixing" is occuring in white countries. If you go to Nigeria, Korea, Japan, China, Cameroon, Nepal, you won't see that.jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-
Some argue that when we all become "mixed" then this won't be an
issue, but that is a horrendous idea, and I think has a deeper, underlying evil motivation behind it.
Why horrendous?
Technically we are all from the same group of ancestors anyway.
Adam and Eve, specifically, but even after that, the eight on
the ark spawned the repopulation.
It won't happen in our generation. Maybe the next. I drove by a
schoolyard in my old neighborhood a few years back and looked at the
kids. I didn't see white kids, black kids, brown kids, yellow kids -- I
saw a mix of ethnicities.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status
quo and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for
some time.
Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far Left politics, the have to GO.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they
need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of
obtaining health care otherwise?
Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
more effectively?
There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts -
lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids.
Both of which benefit society as a whole.
I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.
https://tilde.club/~poindexter, that I set up with Blosxom, a web site blog app I liked back in the 2000s. It's a perl script that does templating and creates static pages for your site based on text file
blog posts.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status quo
and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for some
time.
Very simply put. This "mixing" is occuring in white countries. If you go to Nigeria, Korea, Japan, China, Cameroon, Nepal, you won't see that.
See other nations will be able to maintain their identity. White nations become a "mix". So white people, and only white people disappear.
This "the world will mix" is a pernicious and evil lie, a lie that needs to die.
The world will NOT become one race. East Asians, Indians, Sub Saharan africans will remain as they are. The end result is one group of people going. That is why it is horrendous.
Anyone still advocating this should really be forced to look at themselves hard in the mirror.
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Re: Re: race
By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
on Sat May 31 2025 02:23 pm
the status quoI suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be
and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for some
time.
Very simply put. This "mixing" is occuring in whitecountries. If you go
to Nigeria, Korea, Japan, China, Cameroon, Nepal, you won't see that.
See other nations will be able to maintain their identity.White nations
become a "mix". So white people, and only white people disappear.
What identity, specifically, are you referring to? I'm not sure a country's identity is mainly defined by the skin color of its
residents. It's maybe a statistical factor, but I think the main
identity of a country is its cultural beliefs, norms, history, etc.
This "the world will mix" is a pernicious and evil lie, a liethat needs
to die.
The world will NOT become one race. East Asians, Indians, SubSaharan
africans will remain as they are. The end result is one group of people going. That is why it is horrendous.
Anyone still advocating this should really be forced to lookat themselves
hard in the mirror.
I've visited Brazil a few times, and while there are groups of certain ethniticies there, one thing I thought was interesting is that it seems there are a lot more mixed-race people in Brazil than there are in the
US. Also, I felt like race/skin color isn't really talked about a whole lot there. It's like they just don't really make it an issue. In some ways, I feel like all the talk about race in the US only draws focus to it, and perhaps contributes to people of different ethniticites staying apart. The US ended segregation decades ago, but I feel like there's still a perhaps unconscious desire people have to stay around people of their own skin color. But I believe in Martin Luther King Jr.'s
message, that skin color shouldn't matter, and I think everyone should
be able to live together and mix. Though I know that isn't necessarily the reality today.
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?
Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
more effectively?
There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.
As a person who is *decidedly* "not-left", I like this post, and agree with everything in it.
But..., the only problem with ALL of that is that the money allocated
to such things is generally wasted/frauded/abused/stolen/diverted by corrupt assholes and doesn't get used for what it's meant for.
Just like all other "social programs" like welfare/foodstamps/rent,
etc.
The "answer" to all of that, by the Left, is to increase taxes on all
of us, rather than STOPPING the corruption and blatant mis-management. That's a problem for me. <SHRUG>
I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.
I don't doubt it. I only recently subscribed to that sewer, and am
going to pull the plug on it, today.
why are you formatting your text
like that?
For my C64 :D
An actual real C64?
You know, I think some of us (me at
least!) would be joyed to see a
photo
of our post as displayed by the C64,
especially if you're using a CRT
display.
Maybe this is a speficially American thing, where you are taught that
you have no identity? Elsewhere around the world, this is not a
question. I'm in Australia, but from Southern European heritage, and I
can tell you in my ancestral country, there is utterly no question at
all of who "we" are. They consider me one of them, even though I was
born in Australia.
I'm thinking you are in the USA? Empires tend to think like this.
The difference then is that countries like Mexico, Brazil, Peru,
Nicaragua, all those central American countries which people seem to be
seeking to flee to go to the USA illegally, are "Blended". You may not
have seen much focus on race, but I've heard differently, including from
people who lived there. I think it is clear which approach is better.
You can tell from where people are moving from, and where they want to
move to. The British approach is clearly better.
As for MLK, he was a product of his time. This post WWII ideal is in my
view, dead, and should be buried. I still cannot believe people are
pushing for this social message. I put it down to people who just haven't realised the world has changed, and still think its the late 20th century.
Ask the Whites in South Africa how things are going. Ask Australias
how the mass immigration is working out. Or the English.
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