• The Shack

    From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:2320/100 to ALL on Sat Mar 18 22:25:00 2017

    Hey - saw The Shack with my wife last week - loved it!

    She had read the book more than once, but I had never
    started it. That is now changed. Loved it so much I
    wanted to read the book too... :-)


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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Apr 2 21:53:43 2017

    Hey - saw The Shack with my wife last week - loved it!

    Glad to hear that... is it a movie based on Biblical beliefs? If it
    is please let us know since it was in the Bible echo.

    She had read the book more than once, but I had never
    started it. That is now changed. Loved it so much I
    wanted to read the book too... :-)

    I had a suspicion it would be an uplifting type of movie from what I
    saw. I took my little cousins to see the new Beauty and the Beast on reservation since they said one of the characters would be openly gay.
    I must have been in the bathroom when it happened but I really didn't
    see that.

    The cartoon I've showed during many summer children's programs at the
    Church, lockins and sleepovers. It does have things that can be
    paralleled into the Bible. One being Forgiveness and unconditional
    love.

    In the cartoon, shortly after we meet Belle, she stops where and sings
    to what? She stops at a fountain, and she tells a story in song to a
    little lamb. A fountain is like a well, and in the Scripture, it's
    typically the place a man and woman have a significant meeting (recall
    Isaac and Rebekah, Jacob and Rachel, Moses and Zipporah, Jesus and the Samaritan Woman). Well, in B&B, we see Belle singing to the lamb: "She
    doesn't discover that it's HIM till chaper 3"

    Betcha never connected that "Mary had a little lamb, little lamb,
    little lamb. Mary had a little lamb whose wool was white as snow" is
    talking about the Blessed Mother who has a Son who is innocent and
    pure.

    What about what causes the prince in B&B to be cursed? Wouldn't that
    be the sin of pride? Being spoiled, selfish, unkind; and pride causes
    us to be isolated to the point that we curse ourselves. Pride was the
    Original Sin, and it caused us to be disfigured, naked, ashamed,
    lonely and doomed to die. And so after the prince commits this sin, he
    becomes a beast: ugly, naked, ashamed, lonely, and doomed to die.

    Our sin never affects us in isolation. Sin is like contagion: it
    spreads. And so Adam and Eve's sin caused all of us and the rest of
    Creation to crash and burn. In B&B, the curse spreads throughout the
    castle, infects the servants, the forest, the world around the
    property. Sin is never personal; it affects everyone eventually.

    And only what can redeem Beast and his servants? Only if he truly
    loves and is truly loved in return, right? And doesn't Belle bear that
    love? She's the one to break the curse, she must give her love to him,
    must give her word to him. Notice later in the film that it's only
    when Belle says she loves him is the curse busted. This is so symbolic
    of Mary's fiat to the Archangel Gabriel, when she said let it be".

    At the ball, notice the colors of Belle's gown: yellow and white.
    Those are the colors of Mother Church, the Bride of Christ, the
    redeemed. The colors of the Vatican flag hint at this.

    When Gaston (whatta jerk,) attacks Beast, where does he stab him? In
    the side! The right side! Take a look at any crucifix and you'll see
    that's exactly where Jesus was pierced (John 19:34).

    And earlier when Beast released Belle after the ball, he in effect
    accepted sin (the curse) and death. Recall Beast's response when his
    servants warn him of the mob's approach: "It doesn't matter, just let
    them come." This is a bit similar to when Jesus accepted our sin
    (though he was sinless) and accepted His impending death, even death
    on a cross.

    But true love breaks the spell (remember that God is love). After Mary
    gives her fiat, God is allowed to intervene (allowed to love) at the
    ground level of our humanity to redeem us through the Passion and
    Resurrection of Jesus. And in B&B, after Belle's fiat, we see Beast
    rise from the dead in glorious light. His body shines forth as a
    glorified body. This is totally an allegory in the movie for the
    Resurrection of Christ!

    And Beast's salvation also saves the whole castle (transforms all the gargoyle's too!), all his servants and the world around him.

    Beast can be seen as a Christ figure, in that Jesus is also known as
    the Lion of Judah, an idea that C.S. Lewis used when writing the
    character Aslan in his Chronicles of Narnia.

    Found out recently via a comment on an old blog post that the Prince's
    name is actually Adam, this further adds to Biblical symbolism, since
    the New Adam (Jesus) and the New Eve (Mary) in a perfect way undo the
    sin of the first Adam and Eve. We see this played out in Beauty and
    the Beast because Adam (the Prince) becomes a new man at the end (a
    new Adam), undoing the past sin (most importantly with the love and
    help of Belle [who can be seen as a type of Mary, a new Eve.]).

    We see an even deeper connection now that we know the Beast symbolizes
    Adam, we also can see how similar their reaction to sin is. After the
    Original Adam sinned, he felt great shame, thought himself ugly and
    hid himself. So too does the Beast do this!

    Lots and lots of symbolism in that film... even the stained glass
    windows you see :-)

    Allen
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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:2320/100 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Fri Apr 14 09:53:00 2017
    Allen Prunty wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-


    Hey - saw The Shack with my wife last week - loved it!

    Glad to hear that... is it a movie based on Biblical beliefs? If it
    is please let us know since it was in the Bible echo.

    It is a story of God meeting with a man and him working through
    some healing. Don't want to spoil it with more...

    Not 'biblical,' nessasarily, and not 'religious' as far as one
    particular demonination, but VERY "Godly," IMHO.

    She had read the book more than once, but I had never
    started it. That is now changed. Loved it so much I
    wanted to read the book too... :-)

    I had a suspicion it would be an uplifting type of movie from what I
    saw. I took my little cousins to see the new Beauty and the Beast on reservation since they said one of the characters would be openly gay.
    I must have been in the bathroom when it happened but I really didn't
    see that.

    I haven't seen it yet - I want to, just haven't made it there.

    I have a friend that said it was PR and blown WAY out of proportion.
    Nothing 'openly gay' about it, in her opinion.

    The cartoon I've showed during many summer children's programs at the Church, lockins and sleepovers. It does have things that can be paralleled into the Bible. One being Forgiveness and unconditional
    love.

    In the cartoon, shortly after we meet Belle, she stops where and sings
    to what? She stops at a fountain, and she tells a story in song to a little lamb. A fountain is like a well, and in the Scripture, it's typically the place a man and woman have a significant meeting (recall Isaac and Rebekah, Jacob and Rachel, Moses and Zipporah, Jesus and the Samaritan Woman). Well, in B&B, we see Belle singing to the lamb: "She doesn't discover that it's HIM till chaper 3"

    Interesting!

    Betcha never connected that "Mary had a little lamb, little lamb,
    little lamb. Mary had a little lamb whose wool was white as snow" is talking about the Blessed Mother who has a Son who is innocent and
    pure.

    Oh yeah - that's been shown to me before. :-)

    What about what causes the prince in B&B to be cursed? Wouldn't that
    be the sin of pride? Being spoiled, selfish, unkind; and pride causes
    us to be isolated to the point that we curse ourselves. Pride was the Original Sin, and it caused us to be disfigured, naked, ashamed,
    lonely and doomed to die. And so after the prince commits this sin, he becomes a beast: ugly, naked, ashamed, lonely, and doomed to die.

    Our sin never affects us in isolation. Sin is like contagion: it
    spreads. And so Adam and Eve's sin caused all of us and the rest of Creation to crash and burn. In B&B, the curse spreads throughout the castle, infects the servants, the forest, the world around the
    property. Sin is never personal; it affects everyone eventually.

    And only what can redeem Beast and his servants? Only if he truly
    loves and is truly loved in return, right? And doesn't Belle bear that love? She's the one to break the curse, she must give her love to him, must give her word to him. Notice later in the film that it's only
    when Belle says she loves him is the curse busted. This is so symbolic
    of Mary's fiat to the Archangel Gabriel, when she said let it be".

    Yes - all very true!

    At the ball, notice the colors of Belle's gown: yellow and white.
    Those are the colors of Mother Church, the Bride of Christ, the
    redeemed. The colors of the Vatican flag hint at this.

    Interesting. Never thought of that.

    When Gaston (whatta jerk,) attacks Beast, where does he stab him? In
    the side! The right side! Take a look at any crucifix and you'll see that's exactly where Jesus was pierced (John 19:34).

    And earlier when Beast released Belle after the ball, he in effect accepted sin (the curse) and death. Recall Beast's response when his servants warn him of the mob's approach: "It doesn't matter, just let
    them come." This is a bit similar to when Jesus accepted our sin
    (though he was sinless) and accepted His impending death, even death
    on a cross.

    But true love breaks the spell (remember that God is love). After Mary gives her fiat, God is allowed to intervene (allowed to love) at the ground level of our humanity to redeem us through the Passion and Resurrection of Jesus. And in B&B, after Belle's fiat, we see Beast
    rise from the dead in glorious light. His body shines forth as a
    glorified body. This is totally an allegory in the movie for the Resurrection of Christ!

    And Beast's salvation also saves the whole castle (transforms all the gargoyle's too!), all his servants and the world around him.

    Beast can be seen as a Christ figure, in that Jesus is also known as
    the Lion of Judah, an idea that C.S. Lewis used when writing the
    character Aslan in his Chronicles of Narnia.

    Another GREAT series of books!

    Found out recently via a comment on an old blog post that the Prince's name is actually Adam, this further adds to Biblical symbolism, since
    the New Adam (Jesus) and the New Eve (Mary) in a perfect way undo the
    sin of the first Adam and Eve. We see this played out in Beauty and
    the Beast because Adam (the Prince) becomes a new man at the end (a
    new Adam), undoing the past sin (most importantly with the love and
    help of Belle [who can be seen as a type of Mary, a new Eve.]).

    We see an even deeper connection now that we know the Beast symbolizes Adam, we also can see how similar their reaction to sin is. After the Original Adam sinned, he felt great shame, thought himself ugly and
    hid himself. So too does the Beast do this!

    Lots and lots of symbolism in that film... even the stained glass
    windows you see :-)

    VERY very cool! Thanks for that lesson!


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