• Re: I watched the 'talk'

    From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 12 14:56:12 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Yes, I know it was hard to get countries to build the new plants since they cost so much more.

    Half the reason nuclear power plants cost so much to build is gov't regulation.

    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the desert where these things might actually be useful..

    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not promises, only dreams.

    Let's use solar panels in the desert. Lots of open area. No one really cares about the land use. Lots of sunlight. Sounds good.

    But you have dust and sand. Dust that reduces the effectiveness of the panels unless regularily cleaned. Sand to abrade them and wear them quicker than intended.

    One of the problems with the Greenies is that they can never see the full picture. They only want to focus on their little part that they want.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Sat Apr 12 14:19:36 2025
    Re: Re: I watched the 'talk'
    By: Dr. What to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 12 2025 02:56 pm


    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not promises, only dreams.

    There's a ton of people (myself included) working in renewable energy actually doing the things and providing power. Right now.

    I'm more of a microgrid kinda guy - I want to see every rooftop, every covered parking lot covered with pv panels, backing up battery systems, with a controller routing power based on needs and grid costs - with the ability to run standalone when needed.

    There's no one "green" promise. To think so would be incredibly reductive.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Apr 13 01:26:00 2025
    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day
    from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
    he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
    more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.

    You really need to stop listening to the Propaganda Ministry.
    >Because your statement is untrue.

    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    But, the USA does import about $9 Billion a day and if you take
    his tariff figures, it could actually work out higher than that,
    but I doubt it's quite that high at the moment because he keeps
    going back and forth on the tariffs.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
    has dropped by $500 Million..

    Yet the Elitists still claim that Trump is in it for himself.

    Yes, well apparently him and his buddies are playing the markets
    as they surge up and down, something like insider trading, so I'm
    sure he'll make it back, but it won't stop YOUR every day bills
    from going up..

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Sun Apr 13 17:24:43 2025
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    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    Right... It seems like we have another TDS sufferer here.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    Yes, well apparently him and his buddies are playing the markets
    as they surge up and down, something like insider trading, so I'm
    sure he'll make it back, but it won't stop YOUR every day bills
    from going up..

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie, etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary. And we already know that Pelosi is doing insider trading.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 14 01:38:00 2025
    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the
    desert where these things might actually be useful..

    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not
    >promises, only dreams.

    Let's use solar panels in the desert. Lots of open area. No one really care
    >about the land use. Lots of sunlight. Sounds good.

    But you have dust and sand. Dust that reduces the effectiveness of the panel
    >unless regularily cleaned. Sand to abrade them and wear them quicker than
    >intended.

    One of the problems with the Greenies is that they can never see the full
    >picture. They only want to focus on their little part that they want.

    No free lunch.. As I mentioned earlier, Hydro Electric plants might be
    the greenest way to generate power if you have a good place to build
    the plant without destroying too much land around it to build it.

    There are a lot of places around here where they have huge banks of
    solar panels out in fields with some sort of grain crop. An area like
    that might have enough rain to keep them clean, but then we're back
    to snow in winter this far north at least..

    And, again, in most cases they wear out before they make enough
    money to pay for themselves..

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Mon Apr 14 07:58:00 2025
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    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's
    a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    With the amount of reporting out there showing how tariffs raise
    consumer prices and historical evidence of tariffs having the opposite
    effect of slowing the economy, I'm amazed that people can still
    gaslight by claiming criticizing Trump's policy is a deep-seated
    psychological issue with the criticizer, or blaming socialism.

    Of course, all of the info regarding tariffs I'm reading must be coming
    from Woke Media, hence the slant.

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    I spoke too soon!

    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary. And we already know that Pelosi is doing insider trading.

    I forgot "whataboutism".

    As for "elitism", look at Trump and his cabinet. They're worth how many billions and making policies that affect everyday people?

    The difference between democrats and republicans is that I hear about
    democrats being indicted for breaking rules and democrats agreeing that
    it was just.

    With republicans, crickets.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 14 10:11:00 2025
    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    If someone only studied socialism, they might believe it isn't passed on but that is because in socialism the government controls the economy.


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  • From Borax Man@3:770/100 to Mike Powell on Tue Apr 15 10:21:20 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how
    it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the
    *consumer*.

    If someone only studied socialism, they might believe it isn't passed
    on but that is because in socialism the government controls the
    economy.

    I it saving the *consumer* money that made all the jobs go offshore in the first place, and lead to the gutting of many towns and communities. Let the consumer vote with their wallet, and you will not have a country left by the end of the century. Free Trade is not the panacea people made it out to be, and some barriers are necessary safeguard the nation, and your way of life.

    IT seems when it comes between choosing the wellbeing of their own nation and people, and adhering to some economic ideals, some people still choose the latter, despite the very obvious decline this brings about.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Tue Apr 15 01:12:00 2025
    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    Right... It seems like we have another TDS sufferer here.

    Seems you need a little more TDS there.. And as far as lies go,
    whenever news agencies in the USA fact check Trumps speeches they
    generally find dozens of 'inaccuracies', often financial numbers
    off by hundreds of percent.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
    >difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    No, the suppliers sell at the same price they always have and then
    Trump puts a 25% or so 'tax' on what you pay for it in tariffs as
    it enters your country..

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    Most of that propaganda is coming right from what Trump says in public.
    I'm not saying much of is NOT propaganda, just that it's being put
    out by Trump himself to make it look like his policies are doing less
    damage to your economy than they actually are.

    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    since Trump took office.. Your government is already taking in many
    $Billions from tariffs and I wonder how much of that is being used to
    lower the bills of the average person?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BORAX MAN on Tue Apr 15 09:46:00 2025
    I it saving the *consumer* money that made all the jobs go offshore in the first place, and lead to the gutting of many towns and communities. Let the consumer vote with their wallet, and you will not have a country left by the end of the century. Free Trade is not the panacea people made it out to be, and some barriers are necessary safeguard the nation, and your way of life.

    IT seems when it comes between choosing the wellbeing of their own nation and people, and adhering to some economic ideals, some people still choose the latter, despite the very obvious decline this brings about.

    It all boils down to if you don't have the money to afford it you won't buy
    it, so of course one thinks with their own wallet.

    That is part of the reason we are where we are now in the USA. Stuff
    started to cost a lot more so folks thought with their wallet and didn't re-elect the incumbent ticket.

    Honestly, though, I really don't agree with your premise. I don't think it
    had anything to do with savng the *consumer* money... I think it had more
    to do with making more money for the corporations involved. The fact that
    it saved the consumer money was a side-effect.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Tue Apr 15 10:20:00 2025
    With the amount of reporting out there showing how tariffs raise
    consumer prices and historical evidence of tariffs having the opposite
    effect of slowing the economy, I'm amazed that people can still
    gaslight by claiming criticizing Trump's policy is a deep-seated
    psychological issue with the criticizer, or blaming socialism.

    Of course, all of the info regarding tariffs I'm reading must be coming
    from Woke Media, hence the slant.

    And history books and just about anywhere that talks about tariffs. ;)

    The difference between democrats and republicans is that I hear about democrats being indicted for breaking rules and democrats agreeing that
    it was just.

    With republicans, crickets.

    I disagree here. If they are close to the middle of the spectrum, yes. If they are closer to the poles, no, they gripe about it just as much.

    An example as of late has been Signalgate. "Republicans are hypocrites for wanting Hillary to get into trouble but not these guys," but then when you point out that, no, they should have all been in trouble, including
    Hillary, they get mad because they think she didn't do anything wrong and
    that you must be a MAGAt to think that.

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    Same here.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 15 10:23:00 2025
    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    since Trump took office.. Your government is already taking in many
    $Billions from tariffs and I wonder how much of that is being used to
    lower the bills of the average person?

    Most groceries have not gone down.

    Fuel prices started going down before the election, declined more
    afterwards, and continued to do so until recently. Now, they are going back up.

    Power bill has stayed the same.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Thu Apr 17 01:06:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    What? Treat everyone the same? Are you crazy?? B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:14:00 2025
    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
    >> difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost
    >onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in
    >general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    There seems to be a lot of confusion over how tariffs work.
    Trump is putting a tariff on goods as they come into the USA.
    Those selling to you don't change anything, Trump just puts
    what amounts to a fat Tax on everything imported so his gov't
    makes a lot of money off of the Americans who buy those things.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:43:00 2025
    Honestly, though, I really don't agree with your premise. I don't think it
    >had anything to do with savng the *consumer* money... I think it had more
    >to do with making more money for the corporations involved. The fact that
    >it saved the consumer money was a side-effect.

    That's probably more common in recent years. I can't help but think
    back 30 or more years and watching the price of something like a
    Video Recorder or Microwave Oven drop from $600 to $100 because
    they started making them in China. The (early) quality was crap but
    people still bought them to save the money.

    As you've suggested, the problem with bringing manufacturing back
    to the USA is that the difference in what you pay your workers
    compared to what people in China, India or Mexico make will greatly
    increase the cost of those things UNLESS you go to much more
    automated assembly plants which will lower the cost but won't
    create the jobs that Trump keeps talking about.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:55:00 2025
    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    >> since Trump took office..

    Most groceries have not gone down.

    Fuel prices started going down before the election, declined more
    >afterwards, and continued to do so until recently. Now, they are going back
    >up.

    Power bill has stayed the same.

    Fuel is understandable because with the threat of a world wide drop
    in business, and possible recession, the price of oil has dropped.

    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    have to charge more to stay afloat.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    ways to generate more electricity..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:16:00 2025
    As you've suggested, the problem with bringing manufacturing back
    to the USA is that the difference in what you pay your workers
    compared to what people in China, India or Mexico make will greatly
    increase the cost of those things UNLESS you go to much more
    automated assembly plants which will lower the cost but won't
    create the jobs that Trump keeps talking about.

    That seems to be the trend. Amazon recently announced a huge expansion
    program to get distribution centers closer to the American consumers. The
    plan for these new centers is that they will be mostly automated and not
    create the quantity of jobs they might once have done.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:19:00 2025
    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    have to charge more to stay afloat.

    In relation to tariffs, I agree. However, Trump promised to get these
    prices down and so far the administration has been too busy with tariff
    wars and likely illegal firings to address this.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    ways to generate more electricity..

    On the news here within the past week or so, there was a PM from Manitoba
    (I think) who was signing two orders.... one to stop sending a large
    quantiy of MWs of power to the US, and another to divert some of it to
    Nunavut.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:41:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    You don't have to be independently wealthy before you start running, but
    you do have to have a good deal of financial backing from somewhere. A lot
    of these folks (the Clintons, for example) charge/make unbelievable amounts
    for speaking engagements. I cannot remember the numbers but the last time
    I saw them it made me realize you could make a *whole* lot real quick!

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    What? Treat everyone the same? Are you crazy?? B)

    Kurt is a dreamer, as am I. ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:42:00 2025
    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    There seems to be a lot of confusion over how tariffs work.
    Trump is putting a tariff on goods as they come into the USA.
    Those selling to you don't change anything, Trump just puts
    what amounts to a fat Tax on everything imported so his gov't
    makes a lot of money off of the Americans who buy those things.

    Yeah, and I am pretty certain those selling it are going to pass the fat
    tax along to us.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Rob Mccart on Thu Apr 17 08:18:23 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so
    legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    car and appreciation took care of the rest.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Fri Apr 18 09:59:00 2025
    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    car and appreciation took care of the rest.

    This is a valid point. The house I am in now sold the first time in ~1968 for $16,000. It cost me a lot more to buy it in 2009.... not millions by any stretch, but at least 10x more.

    $16k is slightly more than "used-car," at least last I checked, but it is
    not much of an exaggeration.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 19 16:47:02 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    $16k is slightly more than "used-car," at least last I checked, but it
    is not much of an exaggeration.

    My parents bought their house in the suburban bay area for $24,000 in
    1969.

    I bought a 2002 Toyota Camry for $25,000.

    They sold their house in 2016 for $1,300,000.

    It's now estimated at $2,100,000.

    Crazy.



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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Apr 20 01:43:00 2025
    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    >> obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    >> change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    >> have to charge more to stay afloat.

    In relation to tariffs, I agree. However, Trump promised to get these
    >prices down and so far the administration has been too busy with tariff
    >wars and likely illegal firings to address this.

    Yes, I'd imagine he's a lot busier than anyone outside of his office
    knows. There seem to be a lot of important people and businesses not at
    all happy with things who must be driving him crazy arguing with him.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    >> electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    >> difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    >> shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    >> prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    >> ways to generate more electricity..

    On the news here within the past week or so, there was a PM from Manitoba
    >(I think) who was signing two orders.... one to stop sending a large
    >quantiy of MWs of power to the US, and another to divert some of it to
    >Nunavut.

    Yes, about the only province that wants to just go along with things
    with no retaliation is Alberta, our biggest Oil producer, who don't
    want to do anything to lose business. They also frequently talk about
    becoming their own country and breaking away from Canada so we can't
    expect much support from them if it doesn't directly benefit them.

    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Apr 20 01:52:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    >> it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    >> are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    You don't have to be independently wealthy before you start running, but
    >you do have to have a good deal of financial backing from somewhere.

    True, but that means you Usually need a lot of rich friends or family
    to get started since running for a major office is more than a full time
    job so you need enough backing to build up enough support to be able to
    take a real shot at it. A person who couldn't afford to not be working
    and wasn't able to pay to fly back and forth all across the country would
    have a hard time getting enough people aware of them to get financial
    backing to continue on I would think.

    It Could happen if someone were well enough known for some reason
    before they decided to run, although most famous people are rich too.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Sun Apr 20 02:02:00 2025
    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so
    >legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    >their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    >car and appreciation took care of the rest.

    Ha.. yes.. Those of us who were smart enough to buy our houses 50 years
    ago had a big advantage.. B)

    I think every generation has had their problems. I remember when buying
    my first house in 1975 my bank told me I'd need to be making triple
    what I was to get the mortgage.. so I went to a mortgage broker and
    paid a higher interest rate and never missed a payment But I also worked
    either 2 or 3 jobs in those early years and I didn't eat very well the
    last couple of weeks before the quarterly mortgage payment was due, and
    I was driving a 14 year old car.

    But, 10 years later, it was a whole nuther story.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun Apr 20 08:17:00 2025
    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    Yes, more of the 50501 protest. Yesterday, in particular, was a big day because it was the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution,
    so there were a lot of "No Kings" protests.

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

    I read up on that some once. It sounded like it was not a given that one
    would be allowed to move. There were certain skill area that the
    government was looking for, and others that they were not.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 22 01:50:00 2025
    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    >> all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    >> doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    >> and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    Yes, more of the 50501 protest. Yesterday, in particular, was a big day
    >because it was the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution,
    >so there were a lot of "No Kings" protests.

    Yes.. Kings.. Dictators.. whatever Trump aspires to.. B)

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    >> moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

    I read up on that some once. It sounded like it was not a given that one
    >would be allowed to move. There were certain skill area that the
    >government was looking for, and others that they were not.

    True.. we seem to always need more healthcare workers due to the
    high use of medical when it usually doesn't cost anything. A lot
    of people take advantage for things where it's not really necessary
    and so the system is almost always crowded. I'm generally pretty
    healthy and I go for years without seeing a doctor, and when I do it's
    usually due to an injury.. But when I am forced to see my doctor she
    always goes nuts and does a full physical and runs every blood test
    known to man just to make sure I'm as healthy as I appear to be.. B)

    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    temporarily, and after that other factors would probably influence
    whether they can stay permanently or not. What they try to avoid
    is too many unskilled people wanting to move here, although a lot
    of them still seem to get in.. 'Refugees' are another story but
    there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 22 08:17:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    temporarily, and after that other factors would probably influence
    whether they can stay permanently or not. What they try to avoid
    is too many unskilled people wanting to move here, although a lot
    of them still seem to get in..

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be as "desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    'Refugees' are another story but
    there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 24 01:02:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    >> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    >> pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    >> temporarily

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be as
    >"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    Was that a skill or a mistake? B)

    Just kidding.. I've never used that so shouldn't really comment.
    I was more following the comment you made..

    'Refugees' are another story but
    >> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    >people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!

    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri Apr 25 09:33:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    >> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    >> pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    >> temporarily

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be a
    >"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    Was that a skill or a mistake? B)

    Just kidding.. I've never used that so shouldn't really comment.
    I was more following the comment you made..

    No mistake. ;) It appeared at the time that they did want IT people but
    were not looking for COBOL developers, which is strange considering a whole
    lot of them were retiring (or dying off) and many government and financial firms (at least at that time) still used it plenty.

    'Refugees' are another story but
    >> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    >people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!

    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

    "Neenah man told to leave U.S. despite being a born-and-raised citizen"

    https://youtu.be/QieqxcqxGe0?si=bACjNnMuOe01Bvnr

    I would suppose getting such a letter could qualify you, especially if you
    have no home country to "go back" to.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 29 01:09:00 2025
    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    >> of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

    "Neenah man told to leave U.S. despite being a born-and-raised citizen"

    https://youtu.be/QieqxcqxGe0?si=bACjNnMuOe01Bvnr

    I would suppose getting such a letter could qualify you, especially if you
    >have no home country to "go back" to.

    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    was born in the USA who was being deported..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Rob Mccart on Wed Apr 30 08:04:40 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Fri May 2 00:36:00 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    > > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    > > possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    > > was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri May 2 09:09:00 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    > > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    > > possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    > > was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

    Unless they are toadying to him, I suspect you are right. ;)


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun May 4 01:14:00 2025
    She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    >> I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    >> They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

    Unless they are toadying to him, I suspect you are right. ;)

    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    President to come to court for his own cases..

    To quote CBS News, since he took office over 100 days ago there have
    been more than 300 lawsuits filed against him challenging just about
    everything he is doing.. More than 100 in Illinois alone against
    him 'and his administration'..

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    all time records for the number of them.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun May 4 08:50:00 2025
    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    President to come to court for his own cases..

    Most of those in these cases would be government paid for lawyers, too.

    To quote CBS News, since he took office over 100 days ago there have
    been more than 300 lawsuits filed against him challenging just about everything he is doing.. More than 100 in Illinois alone against
    him 'and his administration'..

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    all time records for the number of them.. B)

    He has set records. Yaysayers point out that it is proof that "they" are
    "out to get him," while naysayers point out that he wouldn't be in trouble
    if he, and his administration, stopped breaking the law.

    The yaysayers may be right in a few individual cases but, overall, I think
    the naysayers are 100% correct in their view of the matter. ;)


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue May 6 01:15:00 2025
    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    >> you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    >> against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    >> lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    >> President to come to court for his own cases..

    Most of those in these cases would be government paid for lawyers, too.

    This is true, at least until the end of his term and then they can
    go back to trying to get him for tax 'issues'.. B)

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    >> and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    >> all time records for the number of them.. B)

    He has set records. Yaysayers point out that it is proof that "they" are
    >"out to get him," while naysayers point out that he wouldn't be in trouble
    >if he, and his administration, stopped breaking the law.

    The yaysayers may be right in a few individual cases but, overall, I think
    >the naysayers are 100% correct in their view of the matter. ;)

    I think you may have a point there.. B)

    The thing about new tariffs on movies not made in the USA is going
    to be a real mess. Trump has backed off saying it's for National
    Security and just going with they should make all the movies you
    guys see in the USA so they make all the production money there
    although, like with a lot of things, there are going to be financial
    reasons why many movies made by American companies are filmed partially
    or totally in Canada. They were saying that in a lot of cases it's
    cheaper to do it here and we have good sites for making movies, but
    I'd imagine you could duplicate those sites somewhere in your country.
    Most things tend to boil down to money, and maybe certain talents when
    it comes to things like movie making. I'm sure they have good reasons
    for making the movies here so any attempt to force that to change
    will likely have some sort of negative impact on the industry there.

    The Premier of British Columbia, where they make a lot of movies
    working with American companies, when asked about it just came
    out and said that Trump is an 'A-Hole'.. Something a lot of
    people might like to say on the National news but most resist
    the temptation better than he did. B)

    The next fun thing.. I couldn't believe this one but they showed
    a clip of an interview with Trump today and he was saying how he
    definitely wants Canada to become part of the USA, and when the
    interviewer asked him if he'd consider using the military to make
    sure that happens, Trump said he wouldn't rule that out..

    By the time you see this the meeting between Trump and Carney
    may have already happened. Can't wait to hear how that went..

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