Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yes, I know it was hard to get countries to build the new plants since they cost so much more.
Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the desert where these things might actually be useful..
But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not promises, only dreams.
Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day>Because your statement is untrue.
from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.
You really need to stop listening to the Propaganda Ministry.
Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
has dropped by $500 Million..
Yet the Elitists still claim that Trump is in it for himself.
Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-
Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..
If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.
Yes, well apparently him and his buddies are playing the markets
as they surge up and down, something like insider trading, so I'm
sure he'll make it back, but it won't stop YOUR every day bills
from going up..
Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm>promises, only dreams.
where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the
desert where these things might actually be useful..
But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not
Let's use solar panels in the desert. Lots of open area. No one really care>about the land use. Lots of sunlight. Sounds good.
But you have dust and sand. Dust that reduces the effectiveness of the panel>unless regularily cleaned. Sand to abrade them and wear them quicker than
One of the problems with the Greenies is that they can never see the full>picture. They only want to focus on their little part that they want.
Dr. What wrote to Rob Mccart <=-
No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's
a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.
And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.
But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary. And we already know that Pelosi is doing insider trading.
If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.
No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.
Mike Powell wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.
No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.
So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how
it works.
In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the
*consumer*.
If someone only studied socialism, they might believe it isn't passed
on but that is because in socialism the government controls the
economy.
Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..
Right... It seems like we have another TDS sufferer here.
If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.>difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.
They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.
No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.
I it saving the *consumer* money that made all the jobs go offshore in the first place, and lead to the gutting of many towns and communities. Let the consumer vote with their wallet, and you will not have a country left by the end of the century. Free Trade is not the panacea people made it out to be, and some barriers are necessary safeguard the nation, and your way of life.
IT seems when it comes between choosing the wellbeing of their own nation and people, and adhering to some economic ideals, some people still choose the latter, despite the very obvious decline this brings about.
With the amount of reporting out there showing how tariffs raise
consumer prices and historical evidence of tariffs having the opposite
effect of slowing the economy, I'm amazed that people can still
gaslight by claiming criticizing Trump's policy is a deep-seated
psychological issue with the criticizer, or blaming socialism.
Of course, all of the info regarding tariffs I'm reading must be coming
from Woke Media, hence the slant.
The difference between democrats and republicans is that I hear about democrats being indicted for breaking rules and democrats agreeing that
it was just.
With republicans, crickets.
I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.
Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
since Trump took office.. Your government is already taking in many
$Billions from tariffs and I wonder how much of that is being used to
lower the bills of the average person?
But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.
I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.
If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.>> difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.
They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.
No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost>onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in
In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.
Honestly, though, I really don't agree with your premise. I don't think it>had anything to do with savng the *consumer* money... I think it had more
>> since Trump took office..Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
Most groceries have not gone down.>afterwards, and continued to do so until recently. Now, they are going back
Fuel prices started going down before the election, declined more
Power bill has stayed the same.
As you've suggested, the problem with bringing manufacturing back
to the USA is that the difference in what you pay your workers
compared to what people in China, India or Mexico make will greatly
increase the cost of those things UNLESS you go to much more
automated assembly plants which will lower the cost but won't
create the jobs that Trump keeps talking about.
The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
have to charge more to stay afloat.
Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
ways to generate more electricity..
But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.
I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
are already wealthy when you run for the post.
I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.
What? Treat everyone the same? Are you crazy?? B)
In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.
There seems to be a lot of confusion over how tariffs work.
Trump is putting a tariff on goods as they come into the USA.
Those selling to you don't change anything, Trump just puts
what amounts to a fat Tax on everything imported so his gov't
makes a lot of money off of the Americans who buy those things.
Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-
I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
are already wealthy when you run for the post.
I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"
Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
car and appreciation took care of the rest.
Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-
$16k is slightly more than "used-car," at least last I checked, but it
is not much of an exaggeration.
>> obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn'tThe other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
In relation to tariffs, I agree. However, Trump promised to get these>prices down and so far the administration has been too busy with tariff
>> electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty bigPower.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
On the news here within the past week or so, there was a PM from Manitoba>(I think) who was signing two orders.... one to stop sending a large
But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't>> it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.
I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
You don't have to be independently wealthy before you start running, but>you do have to have a good deal of financial backing from somewhere.
I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so>legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"
Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in>their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..
They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.
>> all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump isI heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
Yes, more of the 50501 protest. Yesterday, in particular, was a big day>because it was the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution,
>> moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
I read up on that some once. It sounded like it was not a given that one>would be allowed to move. There were certain skill area that the
I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
temporarily, and after that other factors would probably influence
whether they can stay permanently or not. What they try to avoid
is too many unskilled people wanting to move here, although a lot
of them still seem to get in..
'Refugees' are another story but
there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.
>> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and willI think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be as>"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D
>> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.'Refugees' are another story but
That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of>people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!
>> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and willI think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
>> pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
>> temporarily
I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be a>"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D
Was that a skill or a mistake? B)
Just kidding.. I've never used that so shouldn't really comment.
I was more following the comment you made..
>> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.'Refugees' are another story but
That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of>people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!
I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..
>> of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
"Neenah man told to leave U.S. despite being a born-and-raised citizen">have no home country to "go back" to.
https://youtu.be/QieqxcqxGe0?si=bACjNnMuOe01Bvnr
I would suppose getting such a letter could qualify you, especially if you
Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
was born in the USA who was being deported..
> > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)
> > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
> > possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
> > was born in the USA who was being deported..
Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)
That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)
>> I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)
That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
Unless they are toadying to him, I suspect you are right. ;)
I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
President to come to court for his own cases..
To quote CBS News, since he took office over 100 days ago there have
been more than 300 lawsuits filed against him challenging just about everything he is doing.. More than 100 in Illinois alone against
him 'and his administration'..
By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
all time records for the number of them.. B)
>> you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court casesI suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
Most of those in these cases would be government paid for lawyers, too.
>> and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is settingBy the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
He has set records. Yaysayers point out that it is proof that "they" are>"out to get him," while naysayers point out that he wouldn't be in trouble
The yaysayers may be right in a few individual cases but, overall, I think>the naysayers are 100% correct in their view of the matter. ;)
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