Subj: bbsing was: Some good things going on in the land of poverty and con ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 16-Mar-2015 21:37 <=-

Was: Re: Some good things going on in the land of poverty and confusion

I was wondering where other tidbits of info might have been being
strewed... :) I wasn't positive it was you in Survnet, as you were
using an alias, but I thought I recognized your style, and your origin
line... ;)

Yeah I used to bother to try to keep the alias and the real name separate, but that little security thing that had me concerned...
Well I learned as a result of that that bothering to try to keep
those profiles separated was pretty much doomed to failure, so why bother. I've learned to not quite be so loose with my flapping
gums now, though. I've been accused of distinctive style before. ;)

I've never really seen the point of using the alias... unless one was
thinking it would shield some bogus persona... But then I've almost
always been posting in echos where one's real name was important, like genealogy, where the whole point was to connect with real people who
might be your distant cousins, working on the same ancestral lines as
you are... ;) And it's better to say only things you don't mind being remembered, whether in face-to-face or in some electronic media... or
even old fashioned snail mail.. :) Of course, since I'm in an
environment where sometimes people are indeed using aliases (some areas
more than others), I've also honed some skills in figuring out who was
who anyway... :)

If you are interested in cooking or food in general, there's
COOKING and HOME_COOKING... good folks there, with overlap between
the two echos.. There's also MEMORIES, where the chat tends to be
more general, but supposed to be at least generally tilted towards
reminiscing... again, good folks there... and new blood always
welcome... :)

I will actually have to add those *scrawls in the to-do notebook as
the RAM on the computer is swapping badly already*. I need to find
some recipies that incorporate more veggies that my son will eat
sometime soon here before his growth gets stunted from munching on nothing but carbs when I'm not looking. The diabeetus could be strong
in this one! Gotta try to steer him away from that.

If you do check out the cooking echos (both Fidonet), be sure to stick
around for a while to get answers for your questions... I've seen too
many dip a toe in and not stay long enough to see that people have
answered them... it might take a few days, like other Fido echos... ;)
But you can ask for specific types of recipes... and expect that you may
well be inundated, so be prepared to capture them for use later... :)

A little bit of reminiscing might not be the worst idea, so long as
I stay on the beaten path, too. *grin*

The subjects there are quite diverse... from Old Time Radio (OTR) to
trains (model and actual), to what things were like when we were growing
up, to ham radio, to weather, and back and forth and all around again...
some health issues, some small talk... It's like sitting around the old pot-bellied stove on our cracker barrels... ;) And cooking is like
pulling up a chair to the kitchen table to talk about food and cooking
and all... ;)

There's also WX_TALK, for talking about all sorts of weather...
tends to be quiet, kinda like here... ;)

Oh I'm active there every now and then. At least I think I am. If nothing else I read. I post bits about solar activity being tied to weather in one of the echoes, can't remember for sure if it's that
one or not.

I don't remember seeing you there (certainly not recently)... maybe it
was a weather echo for one of the other nets...? I was only mentioning
Fidonet echos... since those are the ones I know the best. Dovenet I
lurked in from time to time in the past, but haven't even done that
recently at all... One of the bbses I use regularly happens to have a
few nets available, and I've been lurking in the general chat echoes for
those, just to get an idea of what they are like, but haven't seen any
reason to join in...

I moved the rest of the message to a new one, as this was getting pretty large... ;)

ttyl neb

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Re: bbsing
By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Wed Apr 01 2015 21:28:42

Thank you for catching me up with the repost on here. Not sure how I missed this one...

I've never really seen the point of using the alias... unless one was thinking it would shield some bogus persona... But then I've almost always been posting in echos where one's real name was important, like genealogy, where the whole point was to connect with real people who
might be your distant cousins, working on the same ancestral lines as
you are... ;) And it's better to say only things you don't mind being remembered, whether in face-to-face or in some electronic media... or
even old fashioned snail mail.. :) Of course, since I'm in an environment where sometimes people are indeed using aliases (some areas more than others), I've also honed some skills in figuring out who was
who anyway... :)

Well when I was younger for a little while, when I first got into things in my early teens, I thought that maybe it was a shield. Like I've alluded to before, I had a little naivety on my side. When that started to crumble, it was more like a badge of honor.. I'd been a [very briefly] published hacker for a bit, and I'd gained a little bit of repute with some of the alias-only BBS communities that I'd been a member of. It was the fantasy of being an alias-known hacker that kept me going in it for so long. Not sure why I even still really have it, now, but I don't really bother to keep it separate... Except for a limited extent against my professional persona... Though anybody who knows enough to delve into fido and the other nets would learn right quick where the pair-up is at.
I've never been too terribly good at matching text styles to posters, at least when they're trying to be dubious about it. Never been looking in networks where I was looking for IRL people, either. I guess I've always thought (and found) that the aliased people I knew would give me their names one day if they decided I was decent enough to meet up. Lo and behold I have found quite a few that way, and some of them have, indeed, become my best friends and a few that've gone above and beyond have helped me in some of the most desperate stretches of my life before.

If you do check out the cooking echos (both Fidonet), be sure to stick around for a while to get answers for your questions... I've seen too
many dip a toe in and not stay long enough to see that people have answered them... it might take a few days, like other Fido echos... ;)
But you can ask for specific types of recipes... and expect that you may well be inundated, so be prepared to capture them for use later... :)

Oh yeah I understand the traffic flow with the nets these days. ;) I haven't posted much of anything yet in there, but I will as soon as the kitchen
is clean and I've got some time to think something through. I guess I've got plenty to write about (apart from the actual trademarked recipies) working at the place that I'm at right now, if nothing else.

The subjects there are quite diverse... from Old Time Radio (OTR) to trains (model and actual), to what things were like when we were growing up, to ham radio, to weather, and back and forth and all around again... some health issues, some small talk... It's like sitting around the old pot-bellied stove on our cracker barrels... ;) And cooking is like pulling up a chair to the kitchen table to talk about food and cooking
and all... ;)

I've noticed that. I very much like it. :) Kind of makes me jones a bit for some campfire time. That's coming up very soon here, though. I hope to have a trip to the trees under my belt before April is through here.

I don't remember seeing you there (certainly not recently)... maybe it
was a weather echo for one of the other nets...? I was only mentioning Fidonet echos... since those are the ones I know the best. Dovenet I lurked in from time to time in the past, but haven't even done that recently at all... One of the bbses I use regularly happens to have a
few nets available, and I've been lurking in the general chat echoes for those, just to get an idea of what they are like, but haven't seen any reason to join in...

You know now that I think about it I think that solar stuff was posted in BAMA or Fringe Theory talk or whatever it's called. I've posted some solar stuff in the HAM radio echoes, too, where the solar weather updates go, but I've not received a whole lot of talk back on those areas yet. I lurk in many areas where I'll jump in if given an appropriate opportunity. ;)

I moved the rest of the message to a new one, as this was getting pretty large... ;)

Gotcha. This one turned out to be the perfect size for me to respond to quick before I need to be in the shower and off to work. More will follow. :)
Best wishes!

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On 04/01/15, Nancy Backus pondered and said...

There's also WX_TALK, for talking about all sorts of weather...
tends to be quiet, kinda like here... ;)

Not sure I have seen that echoarea here... Hmm..

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On 04/02/15, Damon A. Getsman pondered and said...

You know now that I think about it I think that solar stuff was posted in BAMA or Fringe Theory talk or whatever it's called. I've posted some solar stuff in the HAM radio echoes, too, where the solar weather
updates go, but I've not received a whole lot of talk back on those
areas yet. I lurk in many areas where I'll jump in if given an appropriate opportunity. ;)

I kind of the same. I guess what it needs is for me to come across a good conversation about XYZ and then feel like I have something to contribute to
it, in order to motivate me to post.

I also think that given the levels of activity are somewhat low overall in a number of the echoareas my BBS carries, it's nice to me able to post and help grow the traffic levels in the echo.

Best, Paul

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Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 02-Apr-2015 01:36 <=-

Thank you for catching me up with the repost on here. Not sure how
I missed this one...

Other than getting behind, and/or not checking DADS...? ;) Kidding
aside, hopefully it had actually made it to you... there is always that possibility, that it didn't.

I've never really seen the point of using the alias... unless one was
thinking it would shield some bogus persona... But then I've almost
always been posting in echos where one's real name was important, like
genealogy, where the whole point was to connect with real people who
might be your distant cousins, working on the same ancestral lines as
you are... ;) And it's better to say only things you don't mind being
remembered, whether in face-to-face or in some electronic media... or
even old fashioned snail mail.. :) Of course, since I'm in an
environment where sometimes people are indeed using aliases (some areas
more than others), I've also honed some skills in figuring out who was
who anyway... :)

Well when I was younger for a little while, when I first got into
things in my early teens, I thought that maybe it was a shield. Like I've alluded to before, I had a little naivety on my side. When that

Also, the aliases were definitely more part of the teen scene... and in
certain networks... I just never bothered, except in one local message
area that was somewhat a role-playing area... taking on personas to go
with the theme of the bbs... :)

started to crumble, it was more like a badge of honor.. I'd been a
[very briefly] published hacker for a bit, and I'd gained a little bit
of repute with some of the alias-only BBS communities that I'd been a member of. It was the fantasy of being an alias-known hacker that kept me going in it for so long. Not sure why I even still really have it, now, but I don't really bother to keep it separate... Except for a limited extent against my professional persona... Though anybody who knows enough to delve into fido and the other nets would learn right quick where the pair-up is at.

Probably. :)

I've never been too terribly good at matching text styles to
posters, at least when they're trying to be dubious about it. Never
been looking in networks where I was looking for IRL people, either. I guess I've always thought (and found) that the aliased people I knew would give me their names one day if they decided I was decent enough
to meet up. Lo and behold I have found quite a few that way, and some
of them have, indeed, become my best friends and a few that've gone
above and beyond have helped me in some of the most desperate stretches of my life before.

Aliases or not, the bbs community has indeed been just that, a
community... and I've made fast friends over the years, too... both
locally and more broadly.. :)

If you do check out the cooking echos (both Fidonet), be sure to stick
around for a while to get answers for your questions... I've seen too
many dip a toe in and not stay long enough to see that people have
answered them... it might take a few days, like other Fido echos... ;)
But you can ask for specific types of recipes... and expect that you may
well be inundated, so be prepared to capture them for use later... :)

Oh yeah I understand the traffic flow with the nets these days. ;)
I haven't posted much of anything yet in there, but I will as soon as
the kitchen is clean and I've got some time to think something through.

No problem with just jumping into conversations there, either...

I guess I've got plenty to write about (apart from the actual
trademarked recipies) working at the place that I'm at right now, if nothing else.

A staff's eye view of a restaurant, for one thing... ;)

The subjects there are quite diverse... from Old Time Radio (OTR) to
trains (model and actual), to what things were like when we were growing
up, to ham radio, to weather, and back and forth and all around again...
some health issues, some small talk... It's like sitting around the old
pot-bellied stove on our cracker barrels... ;) And cooking is like
pulling up a chair to the kitchen table to talk about food and cooking
and all... ;)

I've noticed that. I very much like it. :) Kind of makes me jones
a bit for some campfire time. That's coming up very soon here, though.
I hope to have a trip to the trees under my belt before April is
through here.

At least your weather probably will cooperate for that... ;)

I don't remember seeing you there (certainly not recently)... maybe it
was a weather echo for one of the other nets...? I was only mentioning
Fidonet echos... since those are the ones I know the best. Dovenet I
lurked in from time to time in the past, but haven't even done that
recently at all... One of the bbses I use regularly happens to have a
few nets available, and I've been lurking in the general chat echoes for
those, just to get an idea of what they are like, but haven't seen any
reason to join in...

You know now that I think about it I think that solar stuff was
posted in BAMA or Fringe Theory talk or whatever it's called. I've posted some solar stuff in the HAM radio echoes, too, where the solar weather updates go, but I've not received a whole lot of talk back on those areas yet. I lurk in many areas where I'll jump in if given an appropriate opportunity. ;)

Ah... those are areas I've not been hanging around in... :)

I moved the rest of the message to a new one, as this was getting
pretty large... ;)

Gotcha. This one turned out to be the perfect size for me to
respond to quick before I need to be in the shower and off to work.
More will follow. :) Best wishes!

Hopefully by now you have received that second message... I did try yet
again, and it seems to have been making it around, so hopefully it will
have reached you. :)

ttyl neb

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Quoting Paul Hayton to Damon A. Getsman on 03-Apr-2015 07:37 <=-

updates go, but I've not received a whole lot of talk back on those
areas yet. I lurk in many areas where I'll jump in if given an
appropriate opportunity. ;)

I kind of the same. I guess what it needs is for me to come across a
good conversation about XYZ and then feel like I have something to contribute to it, in order to motivate me to post.

If I'm just starting out in an area, that's pretty much the way I am,
too... partly to be sure that I'm not misreading the tone of the echo
and all, too... :) But for ones where I've been an established poster
all along, I'll be looking for opportunities to jump in... :)

I also think that given the levels of activity are somewhat low
overall in a number of the echoareas my BBS carries, it's nice to me
able to post and help grow the traffic levels in the echo.

Exactly. Did you get my reply to you about WX_TALK...? I don't think
I've seen it leave this bbs... sent it last night... I can repost... :)

ttyl neb

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On 04/07/15, Nancy Backus pondered and said...

Exactly. Did you get my reply to you about WX_TALK...? I don't think I've seen it leave this bbs... sent it last night... I can repost... :)

Hmm.. No not sure I have, then again was that the chat about temps etc.. if
so yes.. too many chats going on you see ;)

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Re: Re: bbsing
By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Tue Apr 07 2015 17:01:34

Other than getting behind, and/or not checking DADS...? ;) Kidding aside, hopefully it had actually made it to you... there is always that possibility, that it didn't.

Heh. It may have made it here and I just lost where it was at. Not really sure; I've been distracted, and it's affecting my concentration, even for going
back and skimming old messages, though if I'd miss my own name in there that's got to be the worst it's ever been. ;) 'Course if it was when I was changing around binkd configurations, maybe something nefarious happened to it.

Also, the aliases were definitely more part of the teen scene... and in certain networks... I just never bothered, except in one local message area that was somewhat a role-playing area... taking on personas to go with the theme of the bbs... :)

Yep. The very first system I was on, which was the only one that I was aware
of in my area for a _very_ long time, was alias only. It really got the concept to stick. I was always pretty fantasy oriented though, too. Not so much in actually RPGing, but more in daydreams and the like. Having a 'hacker alias' was always something that stuck close to home for me.

Aliases or not, the bbs community has indeed been just that, a community... and I've made fast friends over the years, too... both locally and more broadly.. :)

For sure. The community that I frequented up until it went down last was one
that I credit with probably keeping me alive through some pretty rough stretches in life. Maybe not keeping me alive, but helping me find the urge within myself to be safe enough not to get myself killed. Heh. It was a crazy
decade. They always pooled together and helped their members in need, too. Even financially. I hope that I can roll out this shell that I'm working on to
them soon here so that I can give back a little bit to the community that gave me so much.

here, though. I hope to have a trip to the trees under my belt
before April is through here.

At least your weather probably will cooperate for that... ;)

Well there's been nothing but rain in the forecast, but looking outside right
now you wouldn't be able to tell. It's absolutely beautiful. I think that after I get some cleaning done today it's going to be time to take the little man and get out to some of the 'beachish' areas that've been recommended around
here. I'll probably check out forest park then, tomorrow. Forest right in the
middle of the city; you can't beat that. It's actually big enough to get lost in and not be able to see the skyscrapers at all, too. I've got to make sure that I'm getting some time outside; cabin fever is absolute murder right now. Even if it's raining I'm pretty sure that at least the forest park trip will be
done. Just need to treat my son's boots with some saddlesoap and polish first,
to make sure they're nice & rain resistant.

Hopefully by now you have received that second message... I did try yet again, and it seems to have been making it around, so hopefully it will have reached you. :)

I got it. Which leads me to wonder... am I replying to this one a second time? Eeeek!

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Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 11-Apr-2015 14:07 <=-

Other than getting behind, and/or not checking DADS...? ;) Kidding
aside, hopefully it had actually made it to you... there is always that
possibility, that it didn't.

Heh. It may have made it here and I just lost where it was at. Not really sure; I've been distracted, and it's affecting my concentration, even for going back and skimming old messages, though if I'd miss my
own name in there that's got to be the worst it's ever been. ;)
'Course if it was when I was changing around binkd configurations,
maybe something nefarious happened to it.

I suspect we'll never know... ;) I THINK, though, that we are back on
track now, both of us... A few days before I left on my trip, the bbs I
send DADS and ASIAN_LINK messages from went down inexplicably, and
wasn't back up until I got back from my trip. I sent the reply packet
I'd prepared over the few days before leaving finally AFTER I got
back... ;) Turned out he'd had a massive crash... thankfully he's back
up and running well again. :)

Also, the aliases were definitely more part of the teen scene... and in
certain networks... I just never bothered, except in one local message
area that was somewhat a role-playing area... taking on personas to go
with the theme of the bbs... :)

Yep. The very first system I was on, which was the only one that I
was aware of in my area for a _very_ long time, was alias only. It really got the concept to stick. I was always pretty fantasy oriented though, too. Not so much in actually RPGing, but more in daydreams and the like. Having a 'hacker alias' was always something that stuck
close to home for me.

We come to the hobby from different places... :) I came for genealogy,
where real names are the lifeblood of the area... :) Games (mostly word
types or trivia) were an addition... as was getting somewhat involved in messaging in the local areas, getting to know the other users and the
sysop better. It helped that the sysop of that early board was a
friendly sort, and encouraged good interaction. :)

Aliases or not, the bbs community has indeed been just that, a
community... and I've made fast friends over the years, too... both
locally and more broadly.. :)

For sure. The community that I frequented up until it went down
last was one that I credit with probably keeping me alive through some pretty rough stretches in life. Maybe not keeping me alive, but
helping me find the urge within myself to be safe enough not to get myself killed. Heh. It was a crazy decade. They always pooled
together and helped their members in need, too. Even financially.

There was some of that here, too. And for some, I'm sure it was a
similar lifesaver as for you. :) I remember one teen boy I spent some intensive time in chat on one bbs (he'd started by trying to "hit" on
me, until I told him I had a son already out of college, at which point
he responded by asking for advice on how to deal with his parents)...

I hope that I can roll out this shell that I'm working on to them
soon here so that I can give back a little bit to the community
that gave me so much.

A nice repayment.. :)

here, though. I hope to have a trip to the trees under my belt
before April is through here.

At least your weather probably will cooperate for that... ;)

Well there's been nothing but rain in the forecast, but looking
outside right now you wouldn't be able to tell. It's absolutely beautiful.

We get that, too... nothing but rain in the forecast, but look out the
window and there's sun and maybe some clouds... ;)

I think that after I get some cleaning done today it's
going to be time to take the little man and get out to some of the 'beachish' areas that've been recommended around here. I'll probably check out forest park then, tomorrow. Forest right in the middle of
the city; you can't beat that. It's actually big enough to get lost
in and not be able to see the skyscrapers at all, too.

Sounds perfect. :) Most of our large parks are outside the city limits,
but it's not that large a city anyway... and there's lots of woodland
and green space around... :)

I've got to make sure that I'm getting some time outside; cabin fever
is absolute murder right now. Even if it's raining I'm pretty sure
that at least the forest park trip will be done. Just need to treat
my son's boots with some saddlesoap and polish first, to make sure they're nice & rain resistant.

So, did you do your camping trip, yet...? I sure hear you on the cabin
fever part, certainly is the season when it really is time to get back
out and doing again... :)

Hopefully by now you have received that second message... I did try
yet again, and it seems to have been making it around, so hopefully
it will have reached you. :)

I got it. Which leads me to wonder... am I replying to this one a second time? Eeeek!

As far as I could tell, this was the first reply to this... ;) I did go
back and check my saved messages, to be sure... and to make sure that I
hadn't answered it back already... ;) I think part of it is that we
are having similar threads in three different echoes at the moment.. ;)

ttyl neb

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Hi, Nancy...

I suspect we'll never know... ;) I THINK, though, that we are back on NB>track now, both of us... A few days before I left on my trip, the bbs I NB>send DADS and ASIAN_LINK messages from went down inexplicably, and
wasn't back up until I got back from my trip. I sent the reply packet NB>I'd prepared over the few days before leaving finally AFTER I got
back... ;) Turned out he'd had a massive crash... thankfully he's back NB>up and running well again. :)

The Sysops worst nightmare...a massive system crash. :( Been there,
done that...which reminds me...I need to make another data backup. :P

We come to the hobby from different places... :) I came for genealogy, NB>where real names are the lifeblood of the area... :) Games (mostly word NB>types or trivia) were an addition... as was getting somewhat involved in NB>messaging in the local areas, getting to know the other users and the NB>sysop better. It helped that the sysop of that early board was a NB>friendly sort, and encouraged good interaction. :)

I got my start in BBSing on one that was run by the Computer Science Department at the University Of Arkansas At Little Rock. That's where I
first met Janice Harvey...who would become my wife many years later. If
that BBS is still in existence, it's for the computer science users now.
As best as I can tell, my BBS is the only one left in Arkansas. I
thought I had a file on the BBS with the program that I ran "The World's Smallest BBS" on my Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 laptop, but could not
locate it this morning. I guess I have to dig into an older backup to
find it...or I might be able to Google it.

We get that, too... nothing but rain in the forecast, but look out the NB>window and there's sun and maybe some clouds... ;)

I wish that was Arkansas' weather...but we're in the midst of our
spring Tornado Season now, and the BBS ends up being offline more than
online, to protect from lightning damage.

... BBS? Yeah, I do bbs. But I can control it ...

Really...considering mine is the only one I logon to. <G>

Daryl

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Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 22-Apr-2015 09:03 <=-

A few days before I left on my trip, the bbs I
send DADS and ASIAN_LINK messages from went down inexplicably, and
wasn't back up until I got back from my trip. I sent the reply packet
I'd prepared over the few days before leaving finally AFTER I got
back... ;) Turned out he'd had a massive crash... thankfully he's back
up and running well again. :)

The Sysops worst nightmare...a massive system crash. :( Been there,
done that...which reminds me...I need to make another data backup. :P

Always good to be backed up... ;) Never know when you might need it...

I got my start in BBSing on one that was run by the Computer Science Department at the University Of Arkansas At Little Rock. That's where
I first met Janice Harvey...who would become my wife many years later.
If that BBS is still in existence, it's for the computer science users now. As best as I can tell, my BBS is the only one left in Arkansas.

At least the only one in the Fido nodelist...

I thought I had a file on the BBS with the program that I ran "The
World's Smallest BBS" on my Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 laptop, but
could not locate it this morning. I guess I have to dig into an older backup to find it...or I might be able to Google it.

There may have been others equally small, in similar setups... ;)

We get that, too... nothing but rain in the forecast, but look out the
window and there's sun and maybe some clouds... ;)

I wish that was Arkansas' weather...but we're in the midst of our
spring Tornado Season now, and the BBS ends up being offline more than online, to protect from lightning damage.

We get the rain, too... but things are a lot more variable than the
forecast often indicates... I'm glad we aren't often hit by tornados, though...

ttyl neb

... LIFE: A fatal, sexually transmitted disease.

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Nancy,

now. As best as I can tell, my BBS is the only one left in Arkansas.

At least the only one in the Fido nodelist...

And in some other network nodelists as well.

I thought I had a file on the BBS with the program that I ran "The World's Smallest BBS" on my Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 laptop, but could not locate it this morning. I guess I have to dig into an older backup to find it...or I might be able to Google it.

There may have been others equally small, in similar setups... ;)

I did find the file...somehow, the FILES.BBS description got skewed.
So, I renamed the file, and updated the FILES.BBS description, and all
is well.

We get the rain, too... but things are a lot more variable than the NB>forecast often indicates... I'm glad we aren't often hit by tornados, NB>though...

Monday (April 27) is the one year anniversary of the EF-4 (nearly EF-5 tornado) that hit areas like Mayflower, Vilonia, and El Paso,
Arkansas...and it's also the 8th anniversary of my wife's passing.

... LIFE: A fatal, sexually transmitted disease.

Really.

Daryl

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Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 04-26-15 03:08 <=-

now. As best as I can tell, my BBS is the only one left in Arkansas.

At least the only one in the Fido nodelist...

And in some other network nodelists as well.

I was thinking more of independent, not networked, possibilities...

I did find the file...somehow, the FILES.BBS description got skewed.
So, I renamed the file, and updated the FILES.BBS description, and all
is well.

There you go...

We get the rain, too... but things are a lot more variable than the
forecast often indicates... I'm glad we aren't often hit by tornados,
though...

Monday (April 27) is the one year anniversary of the EF-4 (nearly
EF-5 tornado) that hit areas like Mayflower, Vilonia, and El Paso, Arkansas...and it's also the 8th anniversary of my wife's passing.

A day with historic import, especially for you..

... LIFE: A fatal, sexually transmitted disease.

Really.

Not the usual way of looking at things, but I thought it summmed things
up remarkably succinctly... ;)

ttyl neb

... Upgrade definition: Take the OLD bugs out, Put new ones in!

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Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 01-May-2015 09:34 <=-

We come to the hobby from different places... :) I came for genealogy,
where real names are the lifeblood of the area... :) Games (mostly
word types or trivia) were an addition... as was getting somewhat
involved in messaging in the local areas, getting to know the other
users and the sysop better. It helped that the sysop of that early
board was a friendly sort, and encouraged good interaction. :)

Yeah I was definitely a naive kid who'd gotten into coding
beforehand and had really romanticised dreams from reading the book 'Hackers' by Steven Levy and wanted to change the world through freedom of information and coding. The persona was the really interesting
aspect to it. Struggling to have a life with more meaning in a pre-portioned society, I guess, at least that's what it felt like at
the time.

Yours was following a dream, mine was finding a tool... ;)

'Course I spent plenty of time with the online gaming, as I
got telecommunications ability and I found that now I had software for the computer that I'd salvaged and no longer had to write my own. It's kind of a shame, really. I would've come a lot farther with my programming and sysadmin skills probably if I would've kept that hobby going as strong through my teens as it first started in my pre-teens.

Pluses and minuses to having things handed to you... ;)

I didn't really resume it in force until almost my mid-twenties, and
even then it was only my minor, while my major was in partying.

Water under the bridge now... but yeah, not so great... ;)

The first couple of boards that I was on, as far as local dialups,
didn't really have that sense of community so much. I guess they were really indicative of the culture in North Dakota, now that I reflect on it a little bit. It was when I first got some cracked accounts to
access major online BBSes (ie ISCA BBS) that I first started to feel a real sense of community. There weren't any people in my community who responded very well to my sense of repression fighting for outlet...

Rochester always has seemed to have a good sense of community, on many levels... bbsing being only one of them... back in the day, with a
number of good bbses to choose from, there wasn't much rivalry (and what
there was was rather good-natured at that) and there was a lot of cooperation... There's less of that now locally on the bbs scene, but
with telnet and all, the community just widened out globally.. :)

Going against those grains instead of just taking what was handed to
you in play was kind of frowned against. Nobody could understand that
a kid with problems might be a product of parents with problems... I don't know, I could write a million page essay on all of that crap, but it's really neither here no there anymore. It taught me to be a better father, that's all that should really matter at this point. Well that and to fight to find things that can help me to keep those haunting nightly revisitation hours under control where the demons of the past
try to pour back out at me. ;)

It's good to find good lessons in the bad things of the past... :) And
then to let the demons loose, to not torment you any more... :)

There was some of that here, too. And for some, I'm sure it was a
similar lifesaver as for you. :) I remember one teen boy I spent some
intensive time in chat on one bbs (he'd started by trying to "hit" on
me, until I told him I had a son already out of college, at which point
he responded by asking for advice on how to deal with his parents)...

Heh. I think I've probably made that mistake a few times myself. I think that the whole atmosphere of online interaction can be really
great for kids in that situation, where they're repressed and kept
from normal socialization by parents or whatever cause.

It didn't bother me... I just figured his reasoning was, any female on
the scene must be young, "old ladies" wouldn't be interested... <G> And
of course, there's no visual clues as to age... :)

Unfortunately I've seen the opposite, too. It doesn't help much that
the internet has been so popularized at this point that it doesn't
really require a sense of community in the discussion boards or
anything of the sort. I don't think quite as many people experience
the original senses of community that were so helpful to people in my position when they were younger, now-a-days.

I'd tend to go along with you on that. And I suspect that some of that
lack of real community is what encourages the somewhat resurgance of the
bbs scene lately... :)

Though no doubt the reblogging and soul dumpings
on facebook, diaspora, tumblr, and [maybe even] twitter spurts still serve the same purpose. It's just so much more likely to get lost in
the flood. Plus the newer media makes it a lot easier for people to
just spend their time reblogging and 'liking' the different content
that other people put up, instead of spending time in really meaningful interactions. Kind of reminds me of people sewing band patches and
other people's quotes onto their clothing so that they can be an 'individual'. *looks guiltily at bathrobe emblazoned with many band patches and other designs*

[grinning] I suppose there's a place for that... <G> I have to agree
that what exists nowadays in social media is generally a poor substitute
for real interaction. I'm sure there are some pockets of it, but the
medium doesn't really encourage it... it tends to be pretty impersonal..

I hope that I can roll out this shell that I'm working on to them
soon here so that I can give back a little bit to the community
that gave me so much.

A nice repayment.. :)

I'm just sad it's taking so much longer than I thought it would.
Such is the curve for projects of this size though, I guess. Well,
that, and I'm hampered a bit because of the fact that I've never coded with frameworks, never coded with testing, never learned any decent software engineering techniques. I've only worked on my own code, and that's bitten me in the bum a bit. Especially since I've had somebody else contribute good portions of work to this project, now, and I'm having trouble getting up to speed on the flow of their code in order
to fix it where it's broken with recent additions. Regardless, I hope some of them appreciate it once I iron out these last 3 bugs that are keeping me from putting it up public.

I'm sure it IS a learning curve... :) Sounds like you'll manage ok
with it though... :)

ttyl neb

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Re: Re: bbsing
By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Mon May 04 2015 16:59:24

Rochester always has seemed to have a good sense of community, on many levels... bbsing being only one of them... back in the day, with a
number of good bbses to choose from, there wasn't much rivalry (and what there was was rather good-natured at that) and there was a lot of cooperation... There's less of that now locally on the bbs scene, but
with telnet and all, the community just widened out globally.. :)

I guess other than the cult that my parents raised me in I've never really been any member of an organization that had much of a sense of community. Barring the military, of course; not that that community was one that I really had a lot I wanted to identify with (though it was always nice to know that you
had hundreds of thousands of people that had your back). So the BBS community was very important to me. Maybe some day I'll be able to bring my son to the discussions here, as well. ;) Just to bring it full circle and back around to
the echo topic again. ;)

It's good to find good lessons in the bad things of the past... :) And then to let the demons loose, to not torment you any more... :)

As I've said before that's one of the things that I'm pretty bad at. Though I do notice it getting better every day with meditation. Of course I say that on a day where I realize I've missed my meditation for two days in a row now. I'm being a bad buddhist. :)

It didn't bother me... I just figured his reasoning was, any female on
the scene must be young, "old ladies" wouldn't be interested... <G> And of course, there's no visual clues as to age... :)

It's cool that you're okay with it. I've seen other women who have been a little irate about it, at times. Heh. There does certainly tend to be an early male (or maybe not gender specific) characteristic for believing that any
female that you can't see must be near the same age... At least I remember that a bit, myself. Naivety, I suppose. Combined with a little egocentrism that seems pretty all-pervasive in either humanity or non-tribal culture, perhaps.

I'd tend to go along with you on that. And I suspect that some of that lack of real community is what encourages the somewhat resurgance of the bbs scene lately... :)

I guess I've only been around for a few years, so I don't know how much of what is going on is uptick and how much are the common ins and outs since the BBSen faded from common usage. I certainly hope that it's swinging up again; it'd be great to have a little more infusion around here. Not that the current
company is lacking anything; it's always nice to have some of those gah-tam kids around, though. *grin*

[grinning] I suppose there's a place for that... <G> I have to agree that what exists nowadays in social media is generally a poor substitute for real interaction. I'm sure there are some pockets of it, but the medium doesn't really encourage it... it tends to be pretty impersonal..

Yeah. It can be a lifesaver when there's a fairly complete lack of anything else, but if there's anything better, it's a damn poor substitute. I think things started getting really poor when the php BBSes started coming around. Everybody I knew from back in the BBS days got into them for a bit, but they never really had the same community. It was too... commercial looking, maybe?
I don't know for sure what it was; that, and perhaps the point and clicking crowd of kids who weren't there for anything except flaming and rampant douchebaggery. Which is to be expected, of course, but at least on the text-based BBSing forums there was a little bit of a higher bar to them getting
there in the first place. Point & click just made it too easy, IMO.

iron out these last 3 bugs that are keeping me from putting it up
public.

I'm sure it IS a learning curve... :) Sounds like you'll manage ok
with it though... :)

Yeah. I've fallen out of the habit of coding on it every day now, though. I've got to get back with that pretty soon here. It's good to take a pause every now and then so that I forget what I _THINK_ the code does and have to start looking at what it ACTUALLY does. That difference can be really important. Kind of like setting a manuscript aside for a few months before you
edit it so that you're not reading what you thought you put down, you're reading what's actually on the page. I'm gonna try to give it a shot in awhile
here today after I get a workout done (yay working shoulder!). Motivation was lacking this morning, but I think if I get the blood flowing a little bit better things will work out here. ;)
Best wishes.

-D
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