Hello, All!

Domain Expiration Report

https://nodelist.fidonet.cc/analytics/domain-expiration

Maybe I could even send automatic netmail notifications to Syops if their domains are about to expire!

Or would that be considered spam? Not sure.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi Dmitry,

On 2026-02-12 02:27:29, you wrote to All:

Domain Expiration Report

https://nodelist.fidonet.cc/analytics/domain-expiration

Maybe I could even send automatic netmail notifications to Syops if their domains are about to expire!

Or would that be considered spam? Not sure.

Aren't most domains renewed automatically (if you pay your bills)? And I already get reminders from my registrar.

So if a domain in the nodelist has expired, that's probably intentional or a symptom of something else.

Maybe a netmail to the host of nodes with expired domains is more useful. So they can investigate the matter, and update the entry if needed. And a report netmail to the RC if the problem persists, and a report to the ZC if the probleme persists for longer.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred,

On Thursday February 12 2026 09:52, you wrote to Dmitry Protasoff:

Domain Expiration Report

https://nodelist.fidonet.cc/analytics/domain-expiration

Maybe I could even send automatic netmail notifications to Syops
if their domains are about to expire!

Or would that be considered spam? Not sure.

Aren't most domains renewed automatically (if you pay your bills)? And
I already get reminders from my registrar.

Some of my domains are renewed automatically and some are not. But... I always get reminders from my registrars. So a netmail from another Fidonet sysops has little or no added value and could indeed be considered spam.

So if a domain in the nodelist has expired, that's probably
intentional or a symptom of something else.

Indeed.

Maybe a netmail to the host of nodes with expired domains is more
useful. So they can investigate the matter, and update the entry if needed. And a report netmail to the RC if the problem persists, and a report to the ZC if the probleme persists for longer.

+1.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Michiel!

Thursday February 12 2026 09:55, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Fidonet sysops has little or no added value and could indeed be
considered spam.

ok, noted.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Wilfred!

Thursday February 12 2026 09:52, you wrote to me:

Aren't most domains renewed automatically (if you pay your bills)? And
I already get reminders from my registrar.

As far as I remember, several important Fidonet domains were lost because someone didn't pay the bills on time :)


Best regards,
dp.

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Hi Dmitry,

On 2026-02-12 13:07:06, you wrote to me:

Aren't most domains renewed automatically (if you pay your bills)?
And I already get reminders from my registrar.

As far as I remember, several important Fidonet domains were lost because someone didn't pay the bills on time :)

And would a reminder netmail have helped in these cases?


Bye, Wilfred.

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Dmitry,

As far as I remember, several important Fidonet domains were lost because someone didn't pay the bills on time :)

Such as?

Fidonet.org is up for automatic renewal...

\%/@rd

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Dmitry,

Maybe I could even send automatic netmail notifications to Syops if their domains are about to expire!

I wouldn't do it, a domain coming up for renewal will be flagged by the domain's registrar, I don't see the value of such a (net)mail.

Or would that be considered spam? Not sure.

It would be viewed as spam by many.

\%/@rd

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Hello Dmitry,

On Thursday February 12 2026 02:27, you wrote to All:

Domain Expiration Report

https://nodelist.fidonet.cc/analytics/domain-expiration

vlist.eu is missing...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Dmitry,

On 2026-02-12 17:00:11, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to you:

Domain Expiration Report

https://nodelist.fidonet.cc/analytics/domain-expiration

MvdV> vlist.eu is missing...

378 Domains in that list, seems on the low side when there are over 800 nodes in the nodelist...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, Wilfred!

Thursday February 12 2026 15:05, you wrote to me:

As far as I remember, several important Fidonet domains were lost
because someone didn't pay the bills on time :)

And would a reminder netmail have helped in these cases?

FidoNet has no spam, so important notifications are probably easier to notice

But as other guys mentioned, it could be considered as AB, so I take back my proposal :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Ward!

Thursday February 12 2026 15:38, you wrote to me:

As far as I remember, several important Fidonet domains were lost
because someone didn't pay the bills on time :)

Such as?

Fidonet.org is up for automatic renewal...

fidonet.net was lost, if I remember correctly.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Ward!

Thursday February 12 2026 15:42, you wrote to me:

Or would that be considered spam? Not sure.

It would be viewed as spam by many.

Ok!

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Michiel!

Thursday February 12 2026 17:00, you wrote to me:

Domain Expiration Report

https://nodelist.fidonet.cc/analytics/domain-expiration

vlist.eu is missing...

Ah, the information that can be obtained for .eu domains with WHOIS protocol is very limited, which is why it wasn't properly displayed. Fixed!

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Wilfred!

Thursday February 12 2026 21:20, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> vlist.eu is missing...

378 Domains in that list, seems on the low side when there are over
800 nodes in the nodelist...

Many nodes share the same second-level domain name.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Dmitry,

On Friday February 13 2026 02:02, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

As far as I remember, several important Fidonet domains were
lost because someone didn't pay the bills on time :)

Such as?

Fidonet.org is up for automatic renewal...

fidonet.net was lost, if I remember correctly.

It was indeed, that part of your memory is correct.

What you missed is that having the domain expire was an intentional act of the keeper to rock the boat. So a netmail warning would not have had the intended effect.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Dmitry,

On Friday February 13 2026 02:42, you wrote to me:

https://nodelist.fidonet.cc/analytics/domain-expiration

vlist.eu is missing...

Ah, the information that can be obtained for .eu domains with WHOIS protocol is very limited, which is why it wasn't properly displayed. Fixed!

Still missing...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Dmitry,

On 2026-02-13 02:00:03, you wrote to me:

As far as I remember, several important Fidonet domains were lost
because someone didn't pay the bills on time :)

And would a reminder netmail have helped in these cases?

FidoNet has no spam, so important notifications are probably easier to notice

But were those 'important' domains used by nodes? So your automated netmails would have worked for those expiring domains?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Dmitry,

On 2026-02-13 03:07:54, you wrote to me:

378 Domains in that list, seems on the low side when there are over
800 nodes in the nodelist...

Many nodes share the same second-level domain name.

That's probably it. There are lots of nodes using binkp.net, and dynamic dns domains...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred!

13 Feb 26 11:41, you wrote to Dmitry Protasoff:

That's probably it. There are lots of nodes using binkp.net, and
dynamic dns domains...

It was recommended to me, to stop using it. I somehow liked that, because is working without nodelist, but true is that we probably do not want to be dependent so much on other party.

At the end I have: 1) still valid binkp.net but 2) in nodelist I present real machine..

Karel

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Hi Karel,

On 2026-02-13 13:27:49, you wrote to me:

That's probably it. There are lots of nodes using binkp.net, and
dynamic dns domains...

It was recommended to me, to stop using it. I somehow liked that, because is
working without nodelist, but true is that we probably do not want to be dependent so much on other party.

Less dependencies is better! ;-)

At the end I have: 1) still valid binkp.net but 2) in nodelist I
present real machine..

I think that is good practice.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, Michiel!

Friday February 13 2026 10:34, you wrote to me:

Ah, the information that can be obtained for .eu domains with
WHOIS protocol is very limited, which is why it wasn't properly
displayed. Fixed!

Still missing...

Yes, it was waiting in the queue for the next test and now it's finally there.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Wilfred!

Friday February 13 2026 11:38, you wrote to me:

FidoNet has no spam, so important notifications are probably
easier to notice

But were those 'important' domains used by nodes? So your automated netmails would have worked for those expiring domains?

The idea was to send a netmail on the last day before the domain expiration :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Wilfred!

Friday February 13 2026 11:41, you wrote to me:

Many nodes share the same second-level domain name.

That's probably it. There are lots of nodes using binkp.net, and
dynamic dns domains...

Most popular domain is synchro.net, wow!

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Dmitry,

On Friday February 13 2026 13:52, you wrote to me:

Ah, the information that can be obtained for .eu domains with
WHOIS protocol is very limited, which is why it wasn't properly
displayed. Fixed!

Still missing...

Yes, it was waiting in the queue for the next test and now it's
finally there.

Ah, now vlist.eu is flagged with "Unknown" for the dates...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Dmitry,

On 2026-02-13 13:54:43, you wrote to me:

Many nodes share the same second-level domain name.

That's probably it. There are lots of nodes using binkp.net, and
dynamic dns domains...

Most popular domain is synchro.net, wow!

And in third place: bnbbbs.net with 10 entries. But those are all from one sysop... :-/


Bye, Wilfred.

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And in third place: bnbbbs.net with 10 entries. But those are all from
one sysop... :-/

One can never have enough entries in de nodelist, I suppose ...

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

14 Feb 26 00:22, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

One can never have enough entries in de nodelist, I suppose ...

That point of "to send warning" - in general, sounds like spam. I would expect, I should agree first to get netmailed (enable that service) than by default to start getting it. Also - for example - in .cz expired domain is 30 days still covered (everything is still working) which could be business model here.

In detail I think - for consideration: who is reponsible for "not valid" entry in segment? Shall we start include that step/check in makenl process?

Karel

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Hello Ward!

14 Feb 26 00:22, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

And in third place: bnbbbs.net with 10 entries. But those are all
from one sysop... :-/

One can never have enough entries in de nodelist, I suppose ...

I would be happy to offload several of those nodelist entries, once I find qualified sysops to take a few of these NC hats.

Andrew

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Andrew Leary wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

One can never have enough entries in de nodelist, I suppose ...

I would be happy to offload several of those nodelist entries, once I
find qualified sysops to take a few of these NC hats.

I think maybe his point was - does each little individual state in N.E.
need it's own network, most with only 1 node in it? Does CT really need
to be two different nets? ;-)




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Hello Dmitry,

Friday February 13 2026 15:13, I wrote to you:

Ah, the information that can be obtained for .eu domains with
WHOIS protocol is very limited, which is why it wasn't properly
displayed. Fixed!

Still missing...

Yes, it was waiting in the queue for the next test and now it's
finally there.

Ah, now vlist.eu is flagged with "Unknown" for the dates...

magicbbs.eu and theforze.eu are missing.


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: Re: New report on nodelist.fidonet.cc
By: Ward Dossche to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 14 2026 12:22 am

Hey,

And in third place: bnbbbs.net with 10 entries. But those are all from one sysop... :-/

One can never have enough entries in de nodelist, I suppose ...

Why does Fidonet still need to be "geo" based?

The pool of available, and capable, Hubs/NC/RCs has deminished over the years, but those that are available and capable are probably sufficient to serve the whole network.


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deon wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

Re: Re: New report on nodelist.fidonet.cc
By: Ward Dossche to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 14 2026 12:22 am

Why does Fidonet still need to be "geo" based?

I have not been around long enough to really answer this question in
detail, but the short answer is because the master document says so and
has not been updated to reflect the changing times in any way.

Tom


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Hello, Michiel!

Sunday February 15 2026 11:44, you wrote to me:

Ah, now vlist.eu is flagged with "Unknown" for the dates...

magicbbs.eu and theforze.eu are missing.

Yes, unfortunately. I (nodelist.fidonet.cc software :) do domain WHOIS lookups only when a node is checked for connectivity, so they should appear after the next scheduled test. The .eu domain fix was applied about 3 days ago.
Just checked: theforze.eu is already there, magicbbs.eu will be there tomorrow (I hope so).

Thank you again for the in-depth analysis of the test results! I am too lazy/busy for that :)



Best regards,
dp.

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Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Tom Moore to deon on Sun Feb 15 2026 07:58 am

Howdy,

I have not been around long enough to really answer this question in
detail, but the short answer is because the master document says so and
has not been updated to reflect the changing times in any way.

What master document is that?


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deon wrote to Tom Moore <=-

Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Tom Moore to deon on Sun Feb 15 2026 07:58 am

Howdy,

I have not been around long enough to really answer this question in
detail, but the short answer is because the master document says so and
has not been updated to reflect the changing times in any way.

What master document is that?

Well, P4, I would presume.


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Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: deon to Tom Moore on Mon Feb 16 2026 07:56:55

Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Tom Moore to deon on Sun Feb 15 2026 07:58 am

Howdy,

I have not been around long enough to really answer this question in detail, but the short answer is because the master document says so and has not been updated to reflect the changing times in any way.

What master document is that?

The FidoNet policy document that defines the structure of the network and how traffic is handled.

https://www.fidonet.org/policy4.txt

Tom
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Tom,

What master document is that?

The FidoNet policy document that defines the structure of the network and how traffic is handled.

He knows that ... he's just trying to antagonize you, or me, or someone else ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Ward Dossche to Tom Moore on Mon Feb 16 2026 05:02 am

Howdy,

What master document is that?

The FidoNet policy document that defines the structure of the network and how traffic is handled.

He knows that ... he's just trying to antagonize you, or me, or someone else ... 8-)

By "He", did you mean me? And if so, what made you think I was looking to antagonize somebody?


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Deon,

He knows that ... he's just trying to antagonize you, or me, or

someone else ... 8-)

By "He", did you mean me? And if so, what made you think I was looking to antagonize somebody?

Adding the "smiley" at one time could be interpreted as "do not take this all too seriously" ... but then maybe that meaning has gotten lost to today's society ...

\%/@rd

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deon wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Ward Dossche to Tom Moore on Mon Feb 16 2026 05:02 am

Howdy,

What master document is that?

The FidoNet policy document that defines the structure of the network and how traffic is handled.

He knows that ... he's just trying to antagonize you, or me, or someone else ... 8-)

By "He", did you mean me? And if so, what made you think I was looking
to antagonize somebody?

Well, why else would you ask a question like that, that you almost
certainly know the answer to already?




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Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Ward Dossche to deon on Mon Feb 16 2026 12:45 pm

Howdy,

Adding the "smiley" at one time could be interpreted as "do not take this all too seriously" ... but then maybe that meaning has gotten lost to today's society ...

I dont think its got lost - I understandstand the smiley, but the setup to the smiley wasnt there for me.

Anyway, I didnt take it seriously, I was more curious in what triggered the comment.

I describe this medium, (any every other text medium) to many as 2D, and without the third dimension any statements can be taken in any direction, and its up to the reader to choose which way they want to go with it.

Sadly, I see way to many (and myself included sometimes) go down the wrong path.


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Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Dan Clough to deon on Mon Feb 16 2026 01:59 pm

Howdy,

Well, why else would you ask a question like that, that you almost
certainly know the answer to already?

You think I knew the answer, so I asked anyway? That's odd.

My head was in FTSC docs, and I was thinking that the response was going to tell me which document - as I didnt recall seeing it (not that I've looked at them all).

I didnt even think of P4, I dont think I've ever looked at that...

For a moment, I forgot that many like to stick to it like glue, even though the world has moved on.


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Anyway, I didnt take it seriously, I was more curious in what triggered
the comment.

Ever since my wife passed away I sometimes need to write or say something silly and it's also a bit as I stated before: Fidonet is a hobby which unites us, but also which separates us because it's very difficult to transmit emotions, feelings, tonalities. It's lie I try to write a joke about a black cat, and the recipients cat died that day ... totally inappropriate without the intention.

\%/@rd

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deon wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Re: Re: New report on nodelis
By: Dan Clough to deon on Mon Feb 16 2026 01:59 pm

Howdy,

Well, why else would you ask a question like that, that you almost
certainly know the answer to already?

You think I knew the answer, so I asked anyway? That's odd.

My head was in FTSC docs, and I was thinking that the response was
going to tell me which document - as I didnt recall seeing it (not that I've looked at them all).

I didnt even think of P4, I dont think I've ever looked at that...

I guess I thought you'd been around FidoNet longer than you have. That
was the first thing that I thought of when I read the question, and
thought anybody/everybody would have done the same. Mea culpa.

For a moment, I forgot that many like to stick to it like glue, even though the world has moved on.

That's fairly irrelevant, as it is still the "master document" of
FidoNet, whether one likes it, or believes in it, ... or not.




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Hello Dan!

16 Feb 26 21:59, you wrote to deon:

For a moment, I forgot that many like to stick to it like glue,
even though the world has moved on.

That's fairly irrelevant, as it is still the "master document" of
FidoNet, whether one likes it, or believes in it, ... or not.

In the past of course. But even now, some of us still have traffic separated (international against domestic), in regards of cost.

Karel

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