• Import tariff's

    From Joseph Pereira@1:124/5016 to All on Thu Jul 3 06:39:15 2025

    Trump has indicated that, as far as he's concerned, there will be no postponement for the import tariff deal. If there's no agreement, import tariffs on goods from the EU will go up to 20%. The "peace president" continues to seek conflicts. Incidentally, it remains appalling that he still doesn't understand how import tariffs work...

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Joseph Pereira on Thu Jul 3 07:00:53 2025
    I am not as concerned about the inane policies coming out of the White House as much I am about the innaction of the legislative brach, and the questionable recent decisions by SCOTUS.

    If the 2 other branches of the government work the way they are supposed to, it shouldn't matter who we have in the oval office. That is how the system of checks / balances was supposed to work.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Rug Rat on Thu Jul 3 08:08:38 2025
    On 03 Jul 2025, Rug Rat said the following...


    If the 2 other branches of the government work the way they are
    supposed to, it shouldn't matter who we have in the oval office. That
    is how the system of checks / balances was supposed to work.


    The Supreme court said... District Judges cannot make law out of Whole Cloth... Districted Judges see cases in a district and make decisions on that case.

    BTW, someone in THAT case can appeal... But that District Judge can make decisions on that case.

    Moreover, Legislators can legislate new laws for for judges to interpret... But judges don't make law.

    Justice ACB put it best in saying yes... Presidents aren't above the law, either are Judges. And District Judges have exceeded their authority.

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  • From Brent Hendricks@1:135/250 to Ib Joe on Thu Jul 3 21:34:39 2025
    On Thu 3-Jul-2025 8:08a, Ib Joe@1:342/200.0 said to Brent Hendricks:
    On 03 Jul 2025, Rug Rat said the following...


    Justice ACB put it best in saying yes... Presidents aren't above the law, either are Judges. And District Judges have exceeded their authority.

    Except for one problem. Cases "in general" do not immediately come before the supreme court. The cases start in the lower courts, then work their way through the appellate courts. Then SCOTUS makes the ultimate ruleing on weather the lower/appealate courts ruling is ultimately constitutional.

    So saying the lower Federal Judge overstepped their bounds is a bit disingenuous. As they are the first cog in the machinary.

    Now.. I could stray off topic, and go into some other areas where there have been rather strange SCOTUS decisions of late that are streching the interpretation of the Constitution and Bill Of Rights it was based on, but I will stop myself.

    Tarrifs..... Tarrifs.....

    Congress has the primary authority to impose tarrifs. The purpose of the Execute branch is to EXECUTE those tarrifs through treaties.

    So far, the tarrifs have come straight from the Executive branch through executive orders. Congress has ceded that authority either outright through law, or by innaction.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Brent Hendricks on Fri Jul 4 05:24:10 2025
    On 03 Jul 2025, Brent Hendricks said the following...


    Except for one problem. Cases "in general" do not immediately come
    before the supreme court. The cases start in the lower courts, then
    work their way through the appellate courts. Then SCOTUS makes the ultimate ruleing on weather the lower/appealate courts ruling is ultimately constitutional.

    So saying the lower Federal Judge overstepped their bounds is a bit disingenuous. As they are the first cog in the machinary.


    It's the way the constitution wrote their authority. They sited the constitution in their decision...

    For 250 years its worked that way. A district judge hears a case and makes a decision and if people don't like that decision it gets appealed.

    The Justices said... You can only decide on THAT case because THAT'S all the authority you have, as per the constitution.

    BTW, its not disingenuous when that is the wording from the Supreme Court.

    BTW, Again... There is a video out where Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan was on camera apposing this District Court Judges, doing the same to Biden, then only later to support them because it was against Trump.

    So... To use your analogy of cogs in the machinery...

    1st Cog, District Judges
    2nd Cog, Appellate Court
    3rd Cog, Supreme Court

    250 years of working fine. It may take time but it works fine.
    For 246 years Presidents have signed Executive Orders/Actions... Note the 4 years there was an Auto-Pen signing them without knowledge... And the 1-2-3 court system has worked fine. for 250 years...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Brent Hendricks on Fri Jul 4 05:29:29 2025
    On 03 Jul 2025, Brent Hendricks said the following...


    Tarrifs..... Tarrifs.....

    Congress has the primary authority to impose tarrifs. The purpose of the Execute branch is to EXECUTE those tarrifs through treaties.


    Court said Trump can do what he's doing. And Congress can step in to give some guidance... BUT Trump is winning... Trillions and Trillions moving into the US for opportunity... Private sector job growth, through the roof. Real wage growth not seen 60 years... Since Nixon...

    Looks like you're on the wrong side of the issue.


    So far, the tarrifs have come straight from the Executive branch through executive orders. Congress has ceded that authority either outright through law, or by innaction.


    Exactly...

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Fri Jul 4 09:51:25 2025
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    Looks like you're on the wrong side of the issue.

    Wokies are always on the wrong side. And most people (except for Wokies, of course, since they have no self-awareness) can see it.

    So far, the tarrifs have come straight from the Executive branch through executive orders. Congress has ceded that authority either outright through law, or by innaction.

    Exactly...

    Congress ceded authority a long time ago when they passed laws that said that unelected bureaucrats could, effectively, write laws.

    Remember Crazy Nancy? "We have to pass the bill to see what's in it."

    IHMO: When Congress did that, they violated the Constitution. Therefore those laws are null and void and the "rules" made by the bureaucracy have no authority.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Fri Jul 4 07:59:29 2025
    On 04 Jul 2025, Ron L. said the following...


    Wokies are always on the wrong side. And most people (except for
    Wokies, of course, since they have no self-awareness) can see it.


    This is why I try to get @Aaron to call AOC to encourage her to challenge Chuck for his Senate seat. She's stupid enough to miss-read things and do it. Having NUT JOBS like her in the pot light only show the Democrats for who they really are.


    Remember Crazy Nancy? "We have to pass the bill to see what's in it."


    They can't say that about the BBB... Chuck made them read it out loud.


    IHMO: When Congress did that, they violated the Constitution. Therefore those laws are null and void and the "rules" made by the bureaucracy
    have no authority.


    It's going to get exciting now... Democrats have no new policies, other than "Orange Man Bad", and with Trump winning all the time...

    Anyway, enjoy Independence Day!!!

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  • From Brent Hendricks@1:135/250 to Ron L. on Fri Jul 4 15:13:44 2025
    On Fri 4-Jul-2025 9:51a, Ron L.@1:120/616.0 said to Ib Joe:

    Remember Crazy Nancy? "We have to pass the bill to see what's in it."

    IHMO: When Congress did that, they violated the Constitution. Therefore those
    laws are null and void and the "rules" made by the bureaucracy have no authority.

    I am pretty sure Crazy Nancy (Gosh darn you, why the hell did you actually say something so flambouyantly stupid, that I actually have to defent Pilosi!). was elected.....

    Additionaly, congress started cedeing authority LONG before the affordably care act.

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