• File Request question

    From RickV@rickv@1:154/110.remove-wec-this to All on Sat Dec 20 09:46:33 2025
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    Hello everybody!

    Is there a way to do a file request to a bbs system these days with the internet, binkd, and netmail anymore. Like to old days?

    Thanks,
    RickV


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  • From Mindsurfer@mindsurfer@FUNTOPIA.remove-4c4-this to RickV on Sat Dec 20 18:25:00 2025
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    To: RickV
    Re: File Request question
    By: RickV to All on Sat Dec 20 2025 09:46:33

    Is there a way to do a file request to a bbs system these days with the internet, binkd, and netmail anymore. Like to old days?

    Maybe something like that?
    https://wiki.synchro.net/module:freqit

    but don't ask me how it works =)
    http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0013.001

    Mindsurfer

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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-9tm-this to RickV on Sat Dec 20 12:16:10 2025
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    To: RickV
    Re: File Request question
    By: RickV to All on Sat Dec 20 2025 09:46 am

    Is there a way to do a file request to a bbs system these days with the internet, binkd, and netmail anymore. Like to old days?

    Yes. If you're using BinkIt, read https://wiki.synchro.net/module:freqit
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  • From RickV@rickv@LIVEWIRE.remove-h8q-this to Mindsurfer on Sun Dec 21 06:34:45 2025
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    To: Mindsurfer
    Hello Mindsurfer!

    06 Sep 71 13:06, you wrote to me:

    @h@bRe@n@b: @h@cFile Request question
    @bBy@n@b: @h@cRickV @bto @cAll @bon @cSat Dec 20 2025 09:46:33@n

    Is there a way to do a file request to a bbs system these days
    with the internet, binkd, and netmail anymore. Like to old days?

    Maybe something like that?
    https://wiki.synchro.net/module:freqit

    but don't ask me how it works =)
    http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0013.001

    Mindsurfer

    Thank you. I was really looking to find out how you send a netmail for a file request. It's been a long time since I've done that.

    Thanks,
    RickV



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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-c3c-this to RickV on Sun Dec 21 15:09:48 2025
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    To: RickV
    Re: File Request question
    By: RickV to Mindsurfer on Sun Dec 21 2025 06:34 am

    Thank you. I was really looking to find out how you send a netmail for a file request. It's been a long time since I've done that.

    To send a FidoNet file request netmail from Synchronet, the user needs to either be a sysop or have the 'F' exemption and then include "FR:<filename>" as the subject of the netmail message they're sending.
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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANTIR.remove-54o-this to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 10:40:41 2025
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    To: Digital Man
    Digital Man wrote to RickV <=-

    Re: File Request question
    By: RickV to Mindsurfer on Sun Dec 21 2025 06:34 am

    Thank you. I was really looking to find out how you send a netmail for a file request. It's been a long time since I've done that.

    To send a FidoNet file request netmail from Synchronet, the user needs
    to either be a sysop or have the 'F' exemption and then include "FR:<filename>" as the subject of the netmail message they're sending.

    Thank you also for the new writeup posted on the Wiki for this. I
    tested that this morning, to my system from a "test point" that I have.
    It worked properly, but it did result in the file being sent twice,
    because there ended up being (2) File Requests (.req) sent, for reasons unknown. The requesting system is also running SBBS, if that matters.
    The second file received just over-wrote the first one, in the
    "inbound" directory, so no real harm done, but seems off a little.
    Here's a log snippet of the transaction, from the system that received
    the two requests:

    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP JSBinkP/4 inbound connection from 198.74.54.171:55602
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Will encrypt session.
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Peer version: BinkIT/2.42,JSBinkP/4,sbbs3.21a/Linux
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Remote addresses: 1:135/115.7@fidonet
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Inbound session for: 1:135/115.7@fidonet
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP CRAM-MD5 password match for 1:135/115.7@fidonet
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/00870073.req (0.0KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Received file: /sbbs/temp/00870073.req (0.0KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Deleted file: /sbbs/temp/00870073.req
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Sending file: /files/main/uploads/pal2512.zip (1431.5KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/neqzr8wk.req (0.0KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Received file: /sbbs/temp/neqzr8wk.req (0.0KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Deleted file: /sbbs/temp/neqzr8wk.req
    Dec 22 09:16:25 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP We got an M_EOB, but there are still 1 files pending M_GOT
    Dec 22 09:16:27 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Sent file: /files/main/uploads/pal2512.zip (1431.5KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:27 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Sending file: /files/main/uploads/pal2512.zip (1431.5KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:30 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP Sent file: /files/main/uploads/pal2512.zip (1431.5KB)
    Dec 22 09:16:32 palantir synchronet: srvc 0013 BINKP [198.74.54.171] JavaScript service thread terminated (0 clients remain, 0 total, 616 served)


    Maybe there's something there that would indicate what caused the
    duplicate request messages, but not likely to my eye. The first .req is
    the hex conversion of the receiving systems FTN address (1:135/115), and
    the second .req appears to be a random-generated name from the
    requesting system.

    Thanks for any info you may be able to provide on this!



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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-33o-this to Gamgee on Mon Dec 22 14:07:32 2025
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 2025 10:40 am

    Thank you also for the new writeup posted on the Wiki for this. I
    tested that this morning, to my system from a "test point" that I have.
    It worked properly, but it did result in the file being sent twice,
    because there ended up being (2) File Requests (.req) sent, for reasons unknown. The requesting system is also running SBBS, if that matters.
    The second file received just over-wrote the first one, in the
    "inbound" directory, so no real harm done, but seems off a little.
    Here's a log snippet of the transaction, from the system that received
    the two requests:

    The sbbsecho.log messages concerning the file request would likely be more helpful.
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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANTIR.remove-z64-this to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 20:57:23 2025
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    To: Digital Man
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 2025 10:40 am

    Thank you also for the new writeup posted on the Wiki for this. I
    tested that this morning, to my system from a "test point" that I have.
    It worked properly, but it did result in the file being sent twice,
    because there ended up being (2) File Requests (.req) sent, for reasons unknown. The requesting system is also running SBBS, if that matters.
    The second file received just over-wrote the first one, in the
    "inbound" directory, so no real harm done, but seems off a little.
    Here's a log snippet of the transaction, from the system that received
    the two requests:

    The sbbsecho.log messages concerning the file request would likely be
    more helpful.

    Okay, here is the snippet from the orignating system (the point) from
    that log. It shows only the one file request (00870073.req) being
    generated and sent. Not sure where that other .req file came from in
    the original (binkit) log that I posted. Also, in case it mattered,
    that line complaining about missing 'areas.bbs', I created an empty one
    and repeated the test with the same results. Also, the timestamp
    difference between these logs is because the sending system is on UTC
    time.

    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Could not open Area File (../data/areas.bbs): No such file or directory
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Created NetMail (1.msg) from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115), attr: 0981 (PRIVATE, KILLSENT, LOCAL, FREQ), subject: ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 BSO file request from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115): ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 File (../fido/outbound/00870073.req, 0.0KB) for 1:135/115 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/00870073.dlo
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 SBBSecho (PID 46223) exiting with error level 0, NetMail(0 imported, 1 exported, 0 packed)

    Any clues appreciated, thanks!




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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-vpx-this to Gamgee on Mon Dec 22 20:44:15 2025
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 2025 08:57 pm

    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 2025 10:40 am

    Thank you also for the new writeup posted on the Wiki for this. I
    tested that this morning, to my system from a "test point" that I have. It worked properly, but it did result in the file being sent twice, because there ended up being (2) File Requests (.req) sent, for reasons unknown. The requesting system is also running SBBS, if that matters. The second file received just over-wrote the first one, in the
    "inbound" directory, so no real harm done, but seems off a little.
    Here's a log snippet of the transaction, from the system that received the two requests:

    The sbbsecho.log messages concerning the file request would likely be more helpful.

    Okay, here is the snippet from the orignating system (the point) from
    that log. It shows only the one file request (00870073.req) being
    generated and sent. Not sure where that other .req file came from in
    the original (binkit) log that I posted. Also, in case it mattered,
    that line complaining about missing 'areas.bbs', I created an empty one
    and repeated the test with the same results.

    The "Could not open Area File" error doesn't matter. And the correct way to suppress that error would be to set echocfg->Paths and Filenames->Area File to a blank string.

    Also, the timestamp
    difference between these logs is because the sending system is on UTC
    time.

    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Could not open Area File (../data/areas.bbs): No such file or directory
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Created NetMail (1.msg) from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115), attr: 0981 (PRIVATE, KILLSENT, LOCAL, FREQ), subject: ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 BSO file request from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115): ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 File (../fido/outbound/00870073.req, 0.0KB) for 1:135/115 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/00870073.dlo
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 SBBSecho (PID 46223) exiting with error level 0, NetMail(0 imported, 1 exported, 0 packed)

    Any clues appreciated, thanks!

    Not really any yet. So you only see the second .req filename mentioned in logs on the receiving system?
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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANTIR.remove-62l-this to Digital Man on Tue Dec 23 20:28:11 2025
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    To: Digital Man
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Thank you also for the new writeup posted on the Wiki for this. I
    tested that this morning, to my system from a "test point" that I have. It worked properly, but it did result in the file being sent twice, because there ended up being (2) File Requests (.req) sent, for reasons unknown. The requesting system is also running SBBS, if that matters. The second file received just over-wrote the first one, in the
    "inbound" directory, so no real harm done, but seems off a little.
    Here's a log snippet of the transaction, from the system that received the two requests:

    The sbbsecho.log messages concerning the file request would likely be more helpful.

    Okay, here is the snippet from the orignating system (the point) from
    that log. It shows only the one file request (00870073.req) being
    generated and sent. Not sure where that other .req file came from in
    the original (binkit) log that I posted. Also, in case it mattered,
    that line complaining about missing 'areas.bbs', I created an empty one
    and repeated the test with the same results.

    The "Could not open Area File" error doesn't matter. And the correct
    way to suppress that error would be to set echocfg->Paths and Filenames->Area File to a blank string.

    Okay, yup.

    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Could not open Area File (../data/areas.bbs): No such file or directory
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Created NetMail (1.msg) from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115), attr: 0981 (PRIVATE, KILLSENT, LOCAL, FREQ), subject: ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 BSO file request from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115): ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 File (../fido/outbound/00870073.req, 0.0KB) for 1:135/115 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/00870073.dlo
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 SBBSecho (PID 46223) exiting with error level 0, NetMail(0 imported, 1 exported, 0 packed)

    Any clues appreciated, thanks!

    Not really any yet. So you only see the second .req filename mentioned
    in logs on the receiving system?

    Yes, that is correct, and since the receiving system gets two, it sends
    the requested file out twice.

    Thanks for looking into it.



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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANTIR.remove-vw9-this to Digital Man on Wed Dec 24 07:47:02 2025
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    To: Digital Man
    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 2025 08:57 pm

    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Mon Dec 22 2025 10:40 am

    Thank you also for the new writeup posted on the Wiki for this. I
    tested that this morning, to my system from a "test point" that I have. It worked properly, but it did result in the file being sent twice, because there ended up being (2) File Requests (.req) sent, for reasons unknown. The requesting system is also running SBBS, if that matters. The second file received just over-wrote the first one, in the
    "inbound" directory, so no real harm done, but seems off a little.
    Here's a log snippet of the transaction, from the system that received the two requests:

    The sbbsecho.log messages concerning the file request would likely be more helpful.

    Okay, here is the snippet from the orignating system (the point) from
    that log. It shows only the one file request (00870073.req) being
    generated and sent. Not sure where that other .req file came from in
    the original (binkit) log that I posted. Also, in case it mattered,
    that line complaining about missing 'areas.bbs', I created an empty one
    and repeated the test with the same results. Also, the timestamp
    difference between these logs is because the sending system is on UTC
    time.

    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Could not open Area File (../data/areas.bbs): No such file or directory
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 Created NetMail (1.msg) from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115), attr: 0981 (PRIVATE, KILLSENT, LOCAL, FREQ), subject: ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 BSO file request from Preem Palver (1:135/115.7) to sysop (1:135/115): ALLFILES
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 File (../fido/outbound/00870073.req, 0.0KB) for 1:135/115 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/00870073.dlo
    2025-12-22 15:16:16 SBBSecho (PID 46223) exiting with error level 0, NetMail(0 imported, 1 exported, 0 packed)

    Any clues appreciated, thanks!

    DM, this is my second reply to you on this... Just thought of another thing that might be relevant - I did this same FREQ test from my main BBS to several other FidoNet systems, and got the same results (two .req files sent, and the requested file sent back twice from their system. The SBBS build is newer on the "test point" system - master/3fa76bald ; and the main/real BBS is 21980aee6. Both on Linux. Just wanted you to have this info.

    Regards,
    Dan

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  • From Deuce@deuce@BBSDEV.remove-b7r-this to Gamgee on Wed Dec 24 17:03:01 2025
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Wed Dec 24 2025 07:47 am

    DM, this is my second reply to you on this... Just thought of another thing that might be relevant - I did this same FREQ test from my main BBS to several other FidoNet systems, and got the same results (two .req files sent, and the requested file sent back twice from their system. The SBBS build is newer on the "test point" system - master/3fa76bald ; and the main/real BBS is 21980aee6. Both on Linux. Just wanted you to have this info.

    It sounds like the REQ file is being included in a file reference flow file (*.*lo). It should not be, see FTS-5005 for details.
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  • From Deuce@deuce@BBSDEV.remove-gzl-this to Gamgee on Wed Dec 24 17:13:42 2025
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Deuce to Gamgee on Wed Dec 24 2025 05:03 pm

    It sounds like the REQ file is being included in a file reference flow file (*.*lo). It should not be, see FTS-5005 for details.

    Reading the wiki, the oddball way it's describing there, it's important to note that the .req file is not being created in the outbound dir.

    The simplest way to do a FREQ is:
    echo filenameiwant.foo >> /sbbs/ftn/outbound/0e32000c.req

    If you then want to force a callout:
    touch /sbbs/ftn/outbound/0e32000c.dlo
    (Or run binkit -l 1:3634/12)
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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANTIR.remove-4kv-this to Deuce on Wed Dec 24 14:21:12 2025
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    To: Deuce
    Deuce wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Wed Dec 24 2025 07:47 am

    DM, this is my second reply to you on this... Just thought of another thing that might be relevant - I did this same FREQ test from my main BBS to several other FidoNet systems, and got the same results (two .req files sent, and the requested file sent back twice from their system. The SBBS build is newer on the "test point" system - master/3fa76bald ; and the main/real BBS is 21980aee6. Both on Linux. Just wanted you to have this info.

    It sounds like the REQ file is being included in a file reference flow file (*.*lo). It should not be, see FTS-5005 for details.

    No argument there... Just wondering *why* that is happening... I'm
    following the instructions on the Wiki regarding how to do a FREQ with a netmail (FR:<filename>) as the subject line.



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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANTIR.remove-4kv-this to Deuce on Wed Dec 24 14:21:12 2025
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    To: Deuce
    Deuce wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Deuce to Gamgee on Wed Dec 24 2025 05:03 pm

    It sounds like the REQ file is being included in a file reference flow file (*.*lo). It should not be, see FTS-5005 for details.

    Reading the wiki, the oddball way it's describing there, it's important
    to note that the .req file is not being created in the outbound dir.

    I believe you, but don't know why that's important here.

    The simplest way to do a FREQ is:
    echo filenameiwant.foo >> /sbbs/ftn/outbound/0e32000c.req

    That's not super difficult, but not as easy as "FR:filename" in the
    subject line of a netmail, IMHO.

    If you then want to force a callout:
    touch /sbbs/ftn/outbound/0e32000c.dlo
    (Or run binkit -l 1:3634/12)

    But wouldn't that just create an empty (0 byte) .dlo file which would
    not be pointing at the .req file? Normally a .?lo file is a text
    listing of the actual filename/pkt/.?ut to be sent. In this case the
    .dlo file wouldn't have that info.



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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-17f-this to Gamgee on Wed Dec 24 19:27:52 2025
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Re: File Request question
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Wed Dec 24 2025 07:47 am

    DM, this is my second reply to you on this... Just thought of another thing that might be relevant - I did this same FREQ test from my main BBS to several other FidoNet systems, and got the same results (two .req files sent, and the requested file sent back twice from their system. The SBBS build is newer on the "test point" system - master/3fa76bald ; and the main/real BBS is 21980aee6. Both on Linux. Just wanted you to have this info.

    Did you confirm the that FREQ file si actually sent twice? If it was, it would appear in the BinkP-related log output on both systems. Was that observed?
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