• Linux Recommendation

    From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 10:01:19 2025
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    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too slow
    to do anything useful.

    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for
    that.

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro that would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at a
    usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    I do run Linux on one machine but its use is limited to creating iso files with Brasero.

    Many thanks.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant
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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 12:03:37 2025
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    On 17/12/2025 11.01, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.Looks to have a few years on it's
    Looks like it have a few years on it's neck, I have DELL that's around
    the same age, 8GB RAM and no touchscreen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too
    slow to do anything useful.

    I have on my DELL laptop Artix Linux installed running KDE Plasma, I do
    surf the net, ssh and read mail. I have played some games and it has
    worked quite well for me.

    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for that.

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro
    that would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at
    a usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    I would say most Linux distros will work, even installing KDE
    Plasma/Gnome will work and be usable, sure you can go for a light weight
    AntiX Linux. Mint Linux should in general be an okay option, enough documentation (debian and ubuntu documentation can be of good help in
    many cases too).

    I would try out a handful distros, use their Live versions, that you can
    flash to a USB storage and boot from on the Toshiba and see if you get
    the touchscreen to work and that it feels smooth enough before you
    install it.

    You may want to avoid Gentoo, Arch Linux as those tend to be a bit more
    work to get working.

    There is a good number of distros to pick from, you can take a look at https://distrowatch.com and see if there is a more general your taste of distro.

    One note about Calibre on Linux, DRM protected books will most likely
    still not be readable, you need to remove the DRM before you reinstall
    the Toshiba.
    --
    //Aho

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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 22:24:55 2025
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    On 17/12/2025 9:01 pm, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too
    slow to do anything useful.

    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for that.

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro
    that would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at
    a usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    I do run Linux on one machine but its use is limited to creating iso
    files with Brasero.

    Many thanks.

    Jeff, for many years I Dual-Booted my Win7 HP 6730b laptop with
    MageiaLinux Ver 6.

    I'd probably still be on the HP .... except the Win7 started deleting
    itself .... and I'd already brought this Win 11 Desktop ... so thought I
    might as well make use of it.

    One day, I'll install MageiaLinux ver 9 .... hopefully before the Devs
    release MGA v 10 early next year. ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 13:21:31 2025
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    On 2025-12-17 11:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too
    slow to do anything useful.

    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for that.

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro
    that would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at
    a usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    I do run Linux on one machine but its use is limited to creating iso
    files with Brasero.

    Many thanks.


    For old/small machines, you could use "Damn Small Linux"

    Touch screen: it is detected a mouse. It is up to each application to
    make useful use of the touch screen or not. Meaning, big buttons. For
    hitting the tiny slider on a window, or a text cursor, you need small
    fingers.

    Calibre is the best software I know for ebooks, but if your books have
    DRM protection, you have a problem. It is possible to make it work on
    Linux, but I failed to do it. I use Windows for that operation, in a
    virtual machine.

    Personally, I read ebooks in a kobo reader.

    About the hardware, you might be able to do some thing. If your machine
    has a rotating hard disk, replacing it with an SSD is a big improvement.
    Also longer battery life.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 21:19:35 2025
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    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 13:21:31 +0100
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-12-17 11:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too
    slow to do anything useful.

    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for that.

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro
    that would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at
    a usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    I do run Linux on one machine but its use is limited to creating iso
    files with Brasero.

    Many thanks.


    For old/small machines, you could use "Damn Small Linux"

    IIRC superceded by tiny core linux
    http://tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html
    But that's more about minimal HD space. 4GB RAM should be "plenty"


    Touch screen: it is detected a mouse. It is up to each application to
    make useful use of the touch screen or not. Meaning, big buttons. For hitting the tiny slider on a window, or a text cursor, you need small fingers.

    Calibre is the best software I know for ebooks, but if your books have
    +1

    DRM protection, you have a problem. It is possible to make it work on
    Linux, but I failed to do it. I use Windows for that operation, in a
    virtual machine.

    Personally, I read ebooks in a kobo reader.

    About the hardware, you might be able to do some thing. If your machine
    has a rotating hard disk, replacing it with an SSD is a big improvement. Also longer battery life.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 16:44:05 2025
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    On Wed, 12/17/2025 5:01 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too slow to do anything useful.

    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for that.

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro that would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at a usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    I do run Linux on one machine but its use is limited to creating iso files with Brasero.

    Many thanks.


    4GB RAM. 2C 4T processor. HD4000 Intel iGPU.

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/72014/intel-core-i53439y-processor-3m-cache-up-to-2-30-ghz/specifications.html

    Running dual channel 2x2GB would give the best RAM speed possible.

    It's only got 3MB of cache.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-WT310-Tablet.105946.0.html

    *******

    Yours is an optimization problem, where unfortunately, various projects
    have "hitched their horses" to various things. Which dooms the range
    of possibilities when a question like this comes up.

    At best, we can make a desktop computer out of your tablet,
    eeking out performance sufficient to make it responsive. But
    getting a combo that makes good usage of the screen (supports
    rotation, allows easy touch usage), that might be harder
    to manage. The DE that are claimed to have the capability to use
    the screen, might also result in the thing being a bit slow.

    You'll have to wing it and test.

    The distro I could suggest that might get slightly better
    performance from the thing, it has fit and finish problems.
    You might have trouble getting it installed, because at the
    time I tested it, it was not possible to determine exactly
    what kind of partitioning scheme for bootup it really wanted.
    Which is pretty sad. I had to think about it a bit, after
    the first failures, to make forward progress. Older equipment
    which is only legacy BIOS, present the most challenge.

    Optiplex 780 Legacy (a bit more of a challenge)
    Test machine UEFI/CSM (Got it running OK)

    https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan # Gets mostly rid of SystemD, uses X11

    But when this does not suit your application, you will soon move
    on, as the fit and finish while in beta, did not suggest
    it was ready for release. I have to compliment them though,
    their web instructions for installing NVidia, actually worked,
    and for distros without Driver Manager, you don't often
    get first time success fiddling with that.

    Being a tablet, there is nothing you can do about the sins of the
    design. It appears to use RAM in single channel, when the processor
    is dual channel, as near as I can tell from the available info.
    You need dual channel on these things, to provide any available
    help for the iGPU. The review article says the machine starts to
    "gasp for air" when the iGPU is ramped -- the thermal output causes
    the CPU cores to throttle and slow down. Not a problem when reading a book :-) But it's not going to play Crysis at 60FPS.

    Paul
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 22:06:09 2025
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    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 16:44:05 -0500, Paul wrote:

    https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan # Gets mostly rid of SystemD, uses X11

    Not really something I would recommend for noobs.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 23:20:55 2025
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    On 2025-12-17 22:19, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 13:21:31 +0100 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-12-17 11:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    For old/small machines, you could use "Damn Small Linux"

    IIRC superceded by tiny core linux
    http://tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html
    But that's more about minimal HD space. 4GB RAM should be "plenty"

    I noticed that DSL said last version was from 2024 :-?
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 23:09:27 2025
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    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 12:03:37 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

    There is a good number of distros to pick from, you can take a look
    at https://distrowatch.com and see if there is a more general your
    taste of distro.

    Some advice on options:

    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-best-linux-distros-for-beginners-in-2025-make-switching-from-macos-or-windows-easy/>
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-5-fastest-linux-distros-ive-tried-and-theyre-all-free/>
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/most-windows-like-linux-distros/>
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux on Wed Dec 17 19:23:35 2025
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    On Wed, 12/17/2025 5:06 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 16:44:05 -0500, Paul wrote:

    https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan # Gets mostly rid of SystemD, uses X11

    Not really something I would recommend for noobs.


    I know. But in benches, I got the best results out of it.
    The problem with that tablet, is if the iGPU has
    to contribute any significant amount of rendering help.

    Maybe Gnome would support the touch screen better.
    But then, it might represent more of a load. And
    Gnome is apparently headed to Wayland-only or something.
    And that's going to potentially give a performance loss.

    The problem is, the ecosystem is modular, it *should*
    have required the modules to "support everything", but it didn't.

    Take as an example, Firefox. It supports Wayland, XWayland, X11.
    It supports all of them. That's an example of model citizenship.
    If you expect modular mix-and-match from the ecosystem, there's
    a price to pay for that, and that price is "a little extra work".

    I can expect Firefox to run on Devuan, because it already has
    the X11 support for the project. I don't know if current Gnome
    will run on Devuan, the answer is likely to be No.

    Someone who has a ten point touch tablet, will have to tell
    us what subsystems it really needs, or features from the DE.
    I don't have a tablet to use as a reference for that.

    Paul

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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 09:11:41 2025
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    On 17/12/2025 in message <xn0pen607l36wue015@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro that >would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at a
    usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I downloaded and tried the following using Ventoy:

    antiX-23.2_x64-full.iso
    ubuntu-24.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
    neon-user-20251211-1320.iso
    linuxmint-22.2-mate-64bit.iso
    linuxmint-22.2-xfce-64bit.iso

    Ubuntu was very slow to load and I got in a loop where I tried to zoom the screen and couldn't get our of it! I think as it's a fully loaded distro
    it needs something more meaty to run on.

    All the rest ran fine and recognised the touch screen as a mouse.

    I installed linuxmint-22.2-xfce, went on fine, very responsive, I managed
    to install Calibre.

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to copy
    my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic incantation :-)

    I will continue to experiment, there's lots of online articles about
    getting auto rotate working etc. so will keep me out of mischief.

    Thanks again :-)
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
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  • From Adrian Caspersz@email@here.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 11:26:35 2025
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    On 17/12/2025 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too
    slow to do anything useful.

    Probably on a slow 4200 rpm disc. SSD upgrade?


    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for that.

    Make it a thin client and do the heavy lifting and storage somewhere else?

    Other than that, locally installed anything with XCFE.

    Getting hardware accelerated graphics out of the chipset is key.

    Years ago with older hardware it was about getting performance out of
    flash in a browser, but thankfully we are past that.



    I have similar old libretto / NB100 sized laptops*.

    I quite fancy a project removing the motherboard, and replacing it with
    a custom one running something Pi. Got no time.... and the fun in doing
    that is greater than the fun in using it (unless it became a home
    automation remote control), being that I'm drowned in very affordable ultraportable Core i5/i7 these days with amazing battery life and cheap spares.


    * I have junk. I have a problem.
    --
    Adrian C
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 07:32:05 2025
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    On Thu, 12/18/2025 4:11 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 in message <xn0pen607l36wue015@news.individual.net> Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Accepting I can't do anything about the spec is there a Linux distro that would make use of the touch screen and run Calibre (or similar) at a usable speed? At least I could make use of it then as a book reader.

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I downloaded and tried the following using Ventoy:

    antiX-23.2_x64-full.iso
    ubuntu-24.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
    neon-user-20251211-1320.iso
    linuxmint-22.2-mate-64bit.iso
    linuxmint-22.2-xfce-64bit.iso

    Ubuntu was very slow to load and I got in a loop where I tried to zoom the screen and couldn't get our of it! I think as it's a fully loaded distro it needs something more meaty to run on.

    All the rest ran fine and recognised the touch screen as a mouse.

    I installed linuxmint-22.2-xfce, went on fine, very responsive, I managed to install Calibre.

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic incantation :-)

    I will continue to experiment, there's lots of online articles about getting auto rotate working etc. so will keep me out of mischief.

    Thanks again :-)


    That's not a problem.

    Network neighbourhood, I don't think I've been able to get that
    running in Samba.

    My Notes file stanzas are too terse. But this will
    give a supply of breadcrumbs for some future day.
    Some of these things are never going to work. The six lines
    at the top, can clear a head cold. The ones further down, not
    so much. And yes, if you set up a share on your distro,
    you can pay the authentication tax by using smbpasswd. It seems
    the authentication for a share, is carried separately from the
    authentication to log into your distro. More details here.
    I usually look into this, when doing the obvious-thing is not working.

    https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/current/man-html/smbpasswd.8.html

    *******
    workgroup = WORKGROUP # /etc/samba/smb.conf
    server min protocol = NT1
    server max protocol = smb3
    client min protocol = NT1
    client max protocol = smb3
    ntlm auth = yes

    wins support = yes \
    local master = yes \___ Some things never work...
    preferred master = yes /

    sudo apt install wsdd <=== network neighbourhood?
    (haven't seen one of those in about twenty years...)
    sudo smbpasswd -a bullwinkle

    *******

    Now, since you're doing client right now,
    you don't need to do much.

    The package for samba, is like this:

    sudo apt install samba

    That's just in case it doesn't look like something is going to work.
    You can look into that. Working parts are smbd, nmbd, (and wsdd if
    it did anything).

    This is what i use *every day*. Yes, it does know the name, it's
    just not going to show you an icon (because that a separate work of art).

    nemo smb://wallace/shared
    thunar smb://wallace/shared
    caja smb://wallace/shared
    nautilus smb://wallace/shared

    You don't have to do it this way, but if necessary this can work too.

    nemo smb://192.168.1.3/shared
    thunar smb://192.168.1.3/shared
    caja smb://192.168.1.3/shared
    nautilus smb://192.168.1.3/shared

    You could scan from your machine with "nbtscan" on Linux,
    but the output isn't quite as nice as the Windows version.
    But at least the nbtscan shows you there are machines on the LAN.

    https://manpages.debian.org/testing/nbtscan/nbtscan.1.en.html

    nbtscan 192.168.1.0/24 # Scan 255 or so addresses.
    # Check to see if anyone is home.
    # Most useful field is IP-address.

    192.168.1.3 WALLACE PAUL 00-a0-c9-12-34-56 <=== MACADDR isn't much use

    The Windows version includes the workgroup= value.

    Paul



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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 13:47:46 2025
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    On 18/12/2025 10.11, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    All the rest ran fine and recognised the touch screen as a mouse.

    I installed linuxmint-22.2-xfce, went on fine, very responsive, I
    managed to install Calibre.

    Nice you got a good match for you.


    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to
    copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic incantation :-)
    The built in file browser thunar seems to need the gvfs-smb to be
    installed before it can use the smb://server/share/path

    I know dolphin and pcmanfm handles it too, think they also uses the same gvfs-smb and they will pull in a lot of new packages as they are part of
    QT framework instead of the gtk that xfce is based on.


    I will continue to experiment, there's lots of online articles about
    getting auto rotate working etc. so will keep me out of mischief.
    Just for a while ;)
    --
    //Aho
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 07:55:13 2025
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    On Thu, 12/18/2025 6:26 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a Toshiba WT 310, i5 3439Y @ 1.5 GHz 4 GB RAM. 11.5" touch screen.

    It runs (actually walks slowly) Windows 8.1 and has always proved too slow to do anything useful.

    Probably on a slow 4200 rpm disc. SSD upgrade?


    I have tried to set it up as a book reader but it's really too slow for that.

    Make it a thin client and do the heavy lifting and storage somewhere else?

    Other than that, locally installed anything with XCFE.

    Getting hardware accelerated graphics out of the chipset is key.

    Years ago with older hardware it was about getting performance out of flash in a browser, but thankfully we are past that.



    I have similar old libretto / NB100 sized laptops*.

    I quite fancy a project removing the motherboard, and replacing it with a custom one running something Pi. Got no time.... and the fun in doing that is greater than the fun in using it (unless it became a home automation remote control), being that I'm drowned in very affordable ultraportable Core i5/i7 these days with amazing battery life and cheap spares.


    * I have junk. I have a problem.


    The Jeff machine has NAND flash based storage.

    Toshiba THNSNF128GMCS

    Sequential Read 471 MBytes/Sec
    Sequential Write 375 MBytes/Sec

    It's an MSATA or something.

    That should give a good boot time.

    Paul


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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 14:38:31 2025
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    On 2025-12-18 10:11, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 in message <xn0pen607l36wue015@news.individual.net> Jeff Gaines wrote:


    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to
    copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic incantation :-)

    I will continue to experiment, there's lots of online articles about
    getting auto rotate working etc. so will keep me out of mischief.

    Thanks again :-)

    You can try to send the files from Windows instead.

    First step, is making sure the sshd daemon is running in Linux. I'm not familiar with Mint, so somebody else can fill in.

    Then, in Windows, install "WinSCP"
    (<https://winscp.net/eng/download.php>). Use it to connect to the linux machine using protocol sftp. You need to know the IP address of the
    linux machine (run "ip addr" in a Linux terminal).

    You will get a file browser with which to send files from Windows to
    Linux (or the reverse).

    Another interesting tool for Windows is MobaXTERM.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 14:05:00 2025
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    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to
    copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

    https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    It shows two entries for "DT", my Synology Diskstation. The
    first is the SMB share, because when I double-click on it
    the authentication dialog includes a "Domain" of "WORKGROUP".

    The second is either NFS or AFP, I can't tell. (The
    "mount" isn't a system mount -- it uses gvfsd.)
    --
    -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G
    OS: Linux 6.18.1 D: Mint 22.2
    NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G (580.105.08) DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
    "FATAL SYSTEM ERROR: Press F13 to continue..."
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 09:19:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On Wed, 12/17/2025 5:06 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 16:44:05 -0500, Paul wrote:

    https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan # Gets mostly rid of SystemD, uses X11

    Not really something I would recommend for noobs.


    I gave the Devuan6.00 Release a try. This is an installer, not a LiveDVD.

    Name: devuan_excalibur_6.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso
    Size: 4244701184 bytes (4048 MiB)
    SHA256: FD9BEA571645CFD4FF1A71E66599E3FA6D03A5DB2E782273A6947BDAC3A3FFF6

    Tried a DVD, which failed to complete
    (the DVD gets ejected before the install completes, install hangs at "43%" as a result).

    Tried a USB stick, worked fine, although the installer
    changed from a GUI thing they were working on, to a
    legacy Debian installer people have likely seen before.

    [Picture] Devuan inxi output (XFCE default, MATE to go with "slim", then GNOME)
    Needs the NVidia driver recipe next. For Jeff, this would be an Intel recipe.

    https://imgur.com/a/Mdh1hq2

    The XFCE is the default tick box in the installer.
    The MATE package was "mate-desktop-environment" (so I could test that Slim can select a DE).
    The GNOME desktop was "gnome".

    The disk is MSDOS partitioned (as I booted in Legacy mode as
    an emulation of a slightly older computer). The first partition
    was a SWAP partition, the second partition was / . The installed
    file set isn't all that big, so using 100GB for slash, when
    only 10GB or so of files were there, is a bit wasteful, but it
    will fill up fast with usage and more packages (or DEs) added.

    Haven't tried a UEFI with this hybrid USB key quite yet.

    The project still requires that the HD4000 (Intel iGPU) have a driver.

    Paul
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 15:54:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to
    copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

    https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up since
    some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares. None of those
    are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when
    clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot. There is
    a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    So, it works when it works.


    It shows two entries for "DT", my Synology Diskstation. The
    first is the SMB share, because when I double-click on it
    the authentication dialog includes a "Domain" of "WORKGROUP".

    The second is either NFS or AFP, I can't tell. (The
    "mount" isn't a system mount -- it uses gvfsd.)

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 15:36:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 18/12/2025 in message <10i0s86$9o38$1@dont-email.me> Paul wrote:

    Network neighbourhood, I don't think I've been able to get that
    running in Samba.

    Not complicated once I twigged that when in Linux file manager (of
    whatever flavour) when trying to browse a network it puts SMB:\\\ in the
    title bar, no idea why but as soon as I remember to remove the surplus "\"
    it works fine :-)
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it
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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 16:39:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 18/12/2025 15.54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to
    copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

        https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up since some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares. None of those
    are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when
    clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot. There is
    a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    maybe you don't have gvfs-smb installed, not sure what the package may
    be named in other distros
    --
    //Aho
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 12:10:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On Thu, 12/18/2025 10:39 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 15.54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote: >>>
    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to
    copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

        https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up since some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares. None of those are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot. There is a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    maybe you don't have gvfs-smb installed, not sure what the package may be named in other distros


    You'd have to check what daemons were running and see if
    there is an "interesting" one or two in the collection.

    smbd
    nmbd
    wsdd

    For gvfs-smb, I see a wsdd down at the end of the extended list here.

    https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gvfs-smb/

    Dependencies (24)
    ...
    wsdd (make)

    Maybe that is what makes the icons appear. I may have tried that
    at one time, with no success.

    Paul
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 18:51:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-12-18 18:10, Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 12/18/2025 10:39 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 15.54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote: >>>>
    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to >>>>> copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

        https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up since some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares. None of those are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot. There is a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    maybe you don't have gvfs-smb installed, not sure what the package may be named in other distros


    You'd have to check what daemons were running and see if
    there is an "interesting" one or two in the collection.

    smbd
    nmbd
    wsdd

    None. As I said, I have a samba error on boot that I have not investigated yet.


    Having a look at it:

    Telcontar:~ # systemctl status smb
    × smb.service - Samba SMB Daemon
    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/smb.service; enabled; preset: disabled)
    Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2025-12-17 23:09:54 CET; 19h ago
    Docs: man:smbd(8)
    man:samba(7)
    man:smb.conf(5)
    Process: 2479 ExecStartPre=/usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-samba-profile (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
    CPU: 77ms

    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon...
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2479]: generating profile sniplet failed
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon. Telcontar:~ #
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 18:47:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-12-18 16:39, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 15.54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote: >>>
    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to
    copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

        https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up
    since some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares. None
    of those are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when
    clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot. There
    is a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    maybe you don't have gvfs-smb installed, not sure what the package may
    be named in other distros


    Telcontar:~ # rpm -q gvfs-smb
    package gvfs-smb is not installed
    Telcontar:~ # opi gvfs-smb
    Searching repos for: gvfs-smb
    No package found.
    Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep gvfs
    gvfs-backends-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64 gvfs-backend-goa-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64
    gvfs-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64
    gvfs-backend-samba-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64 <== maybe this one. gvfs-lang-1.52.2-150600.1.6.noarch
    gvfs-fuse-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64
    gvfs-backend-afc-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64
    Telcontar:~ #
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 22:13:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 18/12/2025 18.51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 18:10, Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 12/18/2025 10:39 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 15.54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to >>>>>> copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares >>>>>> instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

         https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up
    since some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares. None
    of those are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when
    clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot.
    There is a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    maybe you don't have gvfs-smb installed, not sure what the package
    may be named in other distros


    You'd have to check what daemons were running and see if
    there is an "interesting" one or two in the collection.

        smbd
        nmbd
        wsdd

    None. As I said, I have a samba error on boot that I have not
    investigated yet.

    None shouldn't be needed to mount remote samba shares and some DE may
    even have share functionality built in so that you can share content
    from your home directory...


    Telcontar:~ # systemctl status smb
    × smb.service - Samba SMB Daemon
         Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/smb.service; enabled; preset: disabled)
         Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2025-12-17 23:09:54 CET; 19h ago
           Docs: man:smbd(8)
                 man:samba(7)
                 man:smb.conf(5)
        Process: 2479 ExecStartPre=/usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-samba- profile (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
            CPU: 77ms

    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon...
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2479]:
    generating profile sniplet failed
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process
    exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon.

    I guess a missing samba configuration or a value not allowed in the configuration.
    This only affect the samba shares that you try to share from your
    computer with help of samba service.

    If you want to know more about your service issues, I suggest try:

    journalctl -u samba

    or something quite similar to that.
    --
    //Aho
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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 22:14:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 18/12/2025 18.47, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 16:39, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 15.54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to >>>>> copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares
    instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic
    incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

        https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up
    since some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares. None
    of those are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when
    clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot. There
    is a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    maybe you don't have gvfs-smb installed, not sure what the package may
    be named in other distros


    Telcontar:~ # rpm -q gvfs-smb
    package gvfs-smb is not installed
    Telcontar:~ # opi gvfs-smb
    Searching repos for: gvfs-smb
    No package found.
    Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep gvfs
    gvfs-backends-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64 gvfs-backend-goa-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64
    gvfs-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64
    gvfs-backend-samba-1.52.2-150600.1.6.x86_64  <== maybe this one.

    yeah, seems you have it installed.
    --
    //Aho


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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Dec 18 23:32:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-12-18 22:13, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 18.51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 18:10, Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 12/18/2025 10:39 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 15.54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-18 15:05, vallor wrote:
    At 18 Dec 2025 09:11:41 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    I ran into my Linux bete-noir in trying to connect to the Network to >>>>>>> copy my books over, I need a file manager that shows Windows shares >>>>>>> instead of torturing my poor old brain into remembering the magic >>>>>>> incantation :-)

    Thunar has a "Network" tab that seems to work fine:

         https://ibb.co/r2ZvyfMw

    On my setup it only shows one laptop, and there are two powered up
    since some days, plus a 24*7 miniserver with active nfs shares.
    None of those are seen by Thunar.

    There is also an icon for "Windows network" which does nothing when >>>>> clicked, probably because the samba service errors out on boot.
    There is a Windows 11 on a VM in this same machine.

    maybe you don't have gvfs-smb installed, not sure what the package
    may be named in other distros


    You'd have to check what daemons were running and see if
    there is an "interesting" one or two in the collection.

        smbd
        nmbd
        wsdd

    None. As I said, I have a samba error on boot that I have not
    investigated yet.

    None shouldn't be needed to mount remote samba shares and some DE may
    even have share functionality built in so that you can share content
    from your home directory...


    Telcontar:~ # systemctl status smb
    × smb.service - Samba SMB Daemon
          Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/smb.service; enabled;
    preset: disabled)
          Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2025-12-17 23:09:54 >> CET; 19h ago
            Docs: man:smbd(8)
                  man:samba(7)
                  man:smb.conf(5)
         Process: 2479 ExecStartPre=/usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-
    samba- profile (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
             CPU: 77ms

    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon...
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2479]:
    generating profile sniplet failed
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process
    exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result
    'exit-code'.
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon.

    I guess a missing samba configuration or a value not allowed in the configuration.
    This only affect the samba shares that you try to share from your
    computer with help of samba service.

    If you want to know more about your service issues, I suggest try:

    journalctl -u samba

    or something quite similar to that.


    Telcontar:~ # journalctl -u samba
    -- No entries --
    Telcontar:~ #

    journalctl -u smb

    -- Boot 9991b6bf2b3e4c3da704476cc5d7b8bd --
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon...
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2430]: generating profile sniplet failed
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon.
    -- Boot daaa693dfedc4bc0ad0466ecb37c91c1 --


    nothing new.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 03:05:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 18 Dec 2025 15:36:18 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Not complicated once I twigged that when in Linux file manager (of
    whatever flavour) when trying to browse a network it puts SMB:\\\ in the title bar, no idea why but as soon as I remember to remove the surplus "\" it works fine :-)

    Ah, another case of DOSlexia -- putting “\” where you mean “/” ...
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 03:06:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:32:32 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    Telcontar:~ # journalctl -u samba
    -- No entries --
    Telcontar:~ #

    journalctl -u smb

    -- Boot 9991b6bf2b3e4c3da704476cc5d7b8bd --
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon...
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2430]: generating profile sniplet failed
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon.
    -- Boot daaa693dfedc4bc0ad0466ecb37c91c1 --

    Try

    journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smbd.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmbd.service
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 00:49:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On Thu, 12/18/2025 10:05 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On 18 Dec 2025 15:36:18 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Not complicated once I twigged that when in Linux file manager (of
    whatever flavour) when trying to browse a network it puts SMB:\\\ in the
    title bar, no idea why but as soon as I remember to remove the surplus "\" >> it works fine :-)

    Ah, another case of DOSlexia -- putting “\” where you mean “/” ...


    explorer.exe \\wallace\shared

    nemo smb://wallace/shared
    thunar smb://wallace/shared
    nautilus smb://wallace/shared

    Paul
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 09:00:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 19/12/2025 in message <10i2fd9$sel5$1@dont-email.me> Lawrence
    DOliveiro wrote:

    On 18 Dec 2025 15:36:18 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Not complicated once I twigged that when in Linux file manager (of
    whatever flavour) when trying to browse a network it puts SMB:\\\ in the >>title bar, no idea why but as soon as I remember to remove the surplus "\" >>it works fine :-)

    Ah, another case of DOSlexia -- putting “\” where you mean “/” ...

    Habit, but there's still three of them :-)
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and only a stairway to heaven says
    a lot about anticipated traffic numbers.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 13:22:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-12-19 10:00, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 19/12/2025 in message <10i2fd9$sel5$1@dont-email.me> Lawrence
    DOliveiro wrote:

    On 18 Dec 2025 15:36:18 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Not complicated once I twigged that when in Linux file manager (of
    whatever flavour) when trying to browse a network it puts SMB:\\\ in the >>> title bar, no idea why but as soon as I remember to remove the
    surplus "\"
    it works fine :-)

    Ah, another case of DOSlexia -- putting “\” where you mean “/” ...

    Habit, but there's still three of them :-)


    Three is correct. It means the root path. It could be somewhere else.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 13:51:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-12-19 04:06, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:32:32 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    Telcontar:~ # journalctl -u samba
    -- No entries --
    Telcontar:~ #

    journalctl -u smb

    -- Boot 9991b6bf2b3e4c3da704476cc5d7b8bd --
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon...
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2430]: generating profile sniplet failed
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon.
    -- Boot daaa693dfedc4bc0ad0466ecb37c91c1 --

    Try

    journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smbd.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmbd.service

    Telcontar:~ # journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smbd.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmbd.service
    -- No entries --
    Telcontar:~ #

    It is:

    Telcontar:~ # journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smb.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmb.service
    Sep 14 12:56:35 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2464]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot d1cdc52964c7451b8d27c1f8054f6f5e --
    Sep 18 14:30:36 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2440]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot 31efd02cdf154fea9001f26521155b9a --
    Sep 23 21:33:45 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2470]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot 9991b6bf2b3e4c3da704476cc5d7b8bd --
    Oct 06 14:32:21 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2430]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot daaa693dfedc4bc0ad0466ecb37c91c1 --
    Oct 18 15:13:42 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2467]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot 5488f31d5a0640699137134734a1aea8 --
    Nov 16 13:16:53 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2484]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot 1f08b4e964cf4f43858fda8b696afde2 --
    Dec 14 21:53:15 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2636]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot ce9c0803b3204c59a014f82b13f1a537 --
    Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2436]: generating profile sniplet failed
    -- Boot 076a95cf32724b8a94061ff633d9706d --
    Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2479]: generating profile sniplet failed
    Telcontar:~ #


    Which is the same information. That update-apparmor-samba-profile failed, no idea why.

    I asked chatgpt. It told me to run

    testparm

    sudo /usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-samba-profile

    The first one said:

    Telcontar:~ # testparm
    Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
    lpcfg_do_global_parameter: WARNING: The "domain logons" option is deprecated
    Loaded services file OK.
    Weak crypto is allowed by GnuTLS (e.g. NTLM as a compatibility fallback)

    ERROR: both 'wins support = true' and 'wins server = <server list>' cannot be set in the smb.conf file. nmbd will abort with this setting.

    Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE

    Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions



    So chatgpt told me that in here:

    wins server = 192.168.6.16
    wins support = No

    I should remove the second line. It also advised to remove

    domain logons = Yes


    It later said:


    Why the AppArmor message was misleading

    The failure message:

    generating profile sniplet failed

    is not an AppArmor bug — it’s a configuration validation failure caused by Samba rejecting the config.

    This is a known pain point on openSUSE.



    Trying now with Thunar, I can double click on "Windows network" which shows an empty "smb:///" page. Relative progress.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 13:01:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 19/12/2025 in message <nksf1mx7q9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Carlos E.R.
    wrote:

    On 2025-12-19 10:00, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 19/12/2025 in message <10i2fd9$sel5$1@dont-email.me> Lawrence >>DOliveiro wrote:

    On 18 Dec 2025 15:36:18 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Not complicated once I twigged that when in Linux file manager (of >>>>whatever flavour) when trying to browse a network it puts SMB:\\\ in the >>>>title bar, no idea why but as soon as I remember to remove the surplus >>>>"\"
    it works fine :-)

    Ah, another case of DOSlexia -- putting “\” where you mean “/” >>>...

    Habit, but there's still three of them :-)


    Three is correct. It means the root path. It could be somewhere else.

    OK, that won't lead anywhere as the root path is not shared.

    To get to a share it's smb://JGSERVER/DataShare
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Roses are #FF0000, violets are #0000FF
    if you can read this, you're a nerd 10.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 21:02:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 13:51:25 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    It is:

    Telcontar:~ # journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smb.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmb.service

    Not using a Debian derivative, then?
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Dec 19 23:03:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-12-19 22:02, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 13:51:25 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    It is:

    Telcontar:~ # journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smb.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmb.service

    Not using a Debian derivative, then?

    Nope. openSUSE Leap.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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