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On 11/4/2025 4:10 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-11-03 23:28:03 +0000, olcott said:

On 11/2/2025 6:28 AM, Mikko wrote:

Irrelevant here. I said "Perhaps you should try to improve your
perfirmance in the art of excution traces". You didn't ppint out
any error or incoherence in that sentence. Instead you said
"There is no mistake in the essence of above."

*Claude, ChatGPGT, Gemini and Grok all agree on this*
*links provided below*

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

The function H is a simulating termination analyzer:
(a) Detects a non-terminating behavior pattern:
     abort simulation and return 0.
(b) Simulated input reaches its simulated
     "return" statement: return 1.

When given a function P, it literally simulates each
step of executing P() to *see whether that simulated*
*execution ever reaches a return statement* Now let H
simulate D. Based only on the outcome of that literal
simulation (not on reasoning about what should happen),
what result should H(D) produce?

That is irrelevant to anything in the quoted text.

You didn't even pay attention to the words the last paragraph.

So you are just playing head games?
*Claude, ChatGPGT, Gemini and Grok disagree*

https://claude.ai/chat/20e90782-8ba5-47bb-8010-ba61dddc965e

https://chatgpt.com/share/690a0034-3a38-8011-af40-e29d65bcd67b

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNQ%3D%3D_4db4be62-3c03-4915-9aa6-b72b807f8e0b


https://gemini.google.com/app/34277821f66e30f4

Looking at this step-by-step based purely on what
H observes during its literal simulation: When H simulates D():

First simulated instruction: D calls H(D) H observes: The
simulated D is now calling H(D), which would call H(D),
which would call H(D)... Pattern detected: H sees an infinite
recursion pattern - the simulation shows D calling H(D)
repeatedly with no path to a return statement being reached
in the simulation

Based on your specification that H should "detect a non-terminating
behavior pattern" and then "abort simulation and return 0", H(D)
should return 0. This is what H observes in its literal simulation:

D calls H(D) That simulated call would perform another simulation
of D Which calls H(D) again This creates an infinite recursive
simulation pattern The simulation never reaches the return Halt_Status; statement

Since the simulation detects this non-terminating recursive
pattern, H aborts the simulation and returns 0 according to rule
(a). The key point: H is making its decision based solely on what
it observes during simulation - an infinite recursion that never
reaches a return statement in the simulated execution.
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