• Good news on iOS 17.1.2 given the iPhone is the least secure smartphone in history

    From Wally J@walterjones@invalid.nospam to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Nov 22 03:41:38 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    Good news given iOS is the buggiest smartphone OS in history is that for
    once, Apple is testing a release _before_ they ship it to customers!

    *Apple is testing the upcoming iOS 17.1.2 update before releasing is*
    <https://www.macworld.com/article/2148463/ios-17-1-2-update-bug-fixes-security-updates.html>

    Fancy that!

    Given iOS has three times the zero-day holes and ten times the exploits,
    maybe Apple is finally getting the message to test before they release.
    --
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  • From vallor@vallor@cultnix.org to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Nov 22 19:29:39 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:41:38 -0400, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
    wrote in <ujkbbi$1hsfj$1@paganini.bofh.team>:

    Good news given iOS is the buggiest smartphone OS in history is that for once, Apple is testing a release _before_ they ship it to customers!

    *Apple is testing the upcoming iOS 17.1.2 update before releasing is*
    <https://www.macworld.com/article/2148463/ios-17-1-2-update-bug-fixes-
    security-updates.html>

    Fancy that!

    Given iOS has three times the zero-day holes and ten times the exploits, maybe Apple is finally getting the message to test before they release.

    Are you asserting that they did not previously test before release?
    --
    -v
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  • From Wally J@walterjones@invalid.nospam to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Nov 22 16:21:40 2023
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    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote

    Are you asserting that they did not previously test before release?

    Google proved Appel has never even once tested important components of iOS code, "vallor" but my statement wasn't that "all" iOS isn't tested.

    The facts are that iOS isn't _sufficiently_ tested, which is different.

    You're not understanding a word that was said, as nobody ever said what you think they said (so go back & take reading comprehension 101 again please).

    The fact iOS is always so chock full of zero-day holes isn't a result of no testing whatsoever, but of the lack of _sufficient_ testing, "vallor".

    There is no doubt in anyone's mind who is reasonable of that simple fact.

    It's not "my assertion", as even the head of Engineering at Apple said that (rather clearly, in an internal email which we discussed here many times).

    QA Engineers who left the company said it (we discussed this in gory
    detail) and even Google proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are
    huge portions of Apple's iOS code that couldn't possibly have been tested.

    These are facts.
    Facts you are probably ignorant of.
    But facts nonetheless.

    Yes, I know your trick - which is to claim all facts - even ones we've discussed in gory detail on this very newsgroup - aren't facts - simply because, like Alan Baker, Alan Browne & Jolly Roger, you _refuse_ to read
    any reliable reports from the likes of Google - who - let's be clear,
    ripped Apple's QA testing to shreds _proving_ the code was _never_ tested).

    *Google proved beyond any doubt the iOS code had _never_ been tested!*
    *Even Apple didn't claim Google was wrong.*
    *Apple knew that Google was correct.*

    Apple didn't even lie their way out of those facts that Google proved.
    It's important to note Apple merely asked Google to be nicer about it.

    The fact is Apple's iOS code has never been tested even once, at least the code that Google reported on (which was an extremely extensive report).

    This we've discussed so many times that for you to be still ignorant of the facts reeks of what the iKooks always are, "vallor". Completely ignorant.

    Apple has never sufficiently tested any iOS release before shipping it out. That's why iOS is the least secure smartphone OS in history, "vallor".

    It's full of holes - three times more than Android in terms of zero days.
    And due to the primitive release mechanism, it's exploited ten times more.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    There are so many facts proving Apple has never sufficiently tested any iOS release is evident in so many obvious well-published ways, that it's clear.

    For just one (of extremely many examples), a mere child found horrible bugs
    in Facetime where many wondered what was taking Apple so long for a fix.

    I knew why.
    I even said, well before the fix, why.

    HINT: Apple had _never_ even once fully tested FaceTime before shipping it.

    DOUBLEHINT: When they finally did look at it, they found so many holes,
    that it took them a long time to finally release it again - with the fixes.

    We covered this in gory detail so your ignorance of Apple's well known lack
    of testing is something you need to fix as your ignorance can be cured.

    That's just one of many proven examples, by the way, which we discussed
    here so run a search yourself before denying the well documented fact that Apple has _never_ sufficiently tasted any iOS release before shipping it.

    Start here (and don't play the child's game that it's a Usenet post because that's a game the IQ-40 moron Alan Baker loves to play because he's never clicked in the links to see _every thread_ contains the documented URLs.)
    <http://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
    --
    Search for keywords like "Apple has never sufficiently tested" please.
    Or search for "Yet again" as Apple's history shows lack of QA testing.
    Or search for "Google proved" and other keywords as I'm not running your search for you given it's a matter of public record we discussed this.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Nov 22 13:53:07 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2023-11-22 12:21, Wally J wrote:
    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote

    Are you asserting that they did not previously test before release?

    Google proved Appel has never even once tested important components of iOS code, "vallor" but my statement wasn't that "all" iOS isn't tested.

    Google didn't ever proved that.

    And, I can see why you clipped this from your reply:

    "for once, Apple is testing a release _before_ they ship it to customers!"

    There's no ambiguity there.

    That is a clear statement that up until this point, you're claiming
    Apple didn't test iOS.
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad on Thu Nov 23 00:33:21 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2023-11-22, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:41:38 -0400, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote in <ujkbbi$1hsfj$1@paganini.bofh.team>:

    Good news given iOS is the buggiest smartphone OS in history is that
    for once, Apple is testing a release _before_ they ship it to
    customers!

    *Apple is testing the upcoming iOS 17.1.2 update before releasing
    is*
    <https://www.macworld.com/article/2148463/ios-17-1-2-update-bug-fixes-
    security-updates.html>

    Fancy that!

    Given iOS has three times the zero-day holes and ten times the
    exploits, maybe Apple is finally getting the message to test before
    they release.

    Are you asserting that they did not previously test before release?

    That's exactly what he and his troll gang (including sms and
    badgolferman) have been claiming for years, without evidence.
    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR
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  • From vallor@vallor@cultnix.org to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Nov 23 04:38:28 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:21:40 -0400, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
    wrote in <ujlnsj$1k4gu$1@paganini.bofh.team>:

    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote

    Are you asserting that they did not previously test before release?

    Google proved Appel has never even once tested important components of
    iOS code, "vallor" but my statement wasn't that "all" iOS isn't tested.

    The facts are that iOS isn't _sufficiently_ tested, which is different.

    You're not understanding a word that was said, as nobody ever said what
    you think they said (so go back & take reading comprehension 101 again please).

    The fact iOS is always so chock full of zero-day holes isn't a result of
    no testing whatsoever, but of the lack of _sufficient_ testing,
    "vallor".

    There is no doubt in anyone's mind who is reasonable of that simple
    fact.

    It's not "my assertion", as even the head of Engineering at Apple said
    that (rather clearly, in an internal email which we discussed here many times).

    QA Engineers who left the company said it (we discussed this in gory
    detail) and even Google proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are
    huge portions of Apple's iOS code that couldn't possibly have been
    tested.

    These are facts.
    Facts you are probably ignorant of.
    But facts nonetheless.

    Yes, I know your trick - which is to claim all facts - even ones we've discussed in gory detail on this very newsgroup - aren't facts - simply because, like Alan Baker, Alan Browne & Jolly Roger, you _refuse_ to
    read any reliable reports from the likes of Google - who - let's be
    clear, ripped Apple's QA testing to shreds _proving_ the code was
    _never_ tested).

    *Google proved beyond any doubt the iOS code had _never_ been tested!*
    *Even Apple didn't claim Google was wrong.*
    *Apple knew that Google was correct.*

    Apple didn't even lie their way out of those facts that Google proved.
    It's important to note Apple merely asked Google to be nicer about it.

    The fact is Apple's iOS code has never been tested even once, at least
    the code that Google reported on (which was an extremely extensive
    report).

    This we've discussed so many times that for you to be still ignorant of
    the facts reeks of what the iKooks always are, "vallor". Completely
    ignorant.

    Apple has never sufficiently tested any iOS release before shipping it
    out.
    That's why iOS is the least secure smartphone OS in history, "vallor".

    It's full of holes - three times more than Android in terms of zero
    days. And due to the primitive release mechanism, it's exploited ten
    times more.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    There are so many facts proving Apple has never sufficiently tested any
    iOS release is evident in so many obvious well-published ways, that it's clear.

    For just one (of extremely many examples), a mere child found horrible
    bugs in Facetime where many wondered what was taking Apple so long for a
    fix.

    I knew why.
    I even said, well before the fix, why.

    HINT: Apple had _never_ even once fully tested FaceTime before shipping
    it.

    DOUBLEHINT: When they finally did look at it, they found so many holes,
    that it took them a long time to finally release it again - with the
    fixes.

    We covered this in gory detail so your ignorance of Apple's well known
    lack of testing is something you need to fix as your ignorance can be
    cured.

    That's just one of many proven examples, by the way, which we discussed
    here so run a search yourself before denying the well documented fact
    that Apple has _never_ sufficiently tasted any iOS release before
    shipping it.

    Start here (and don't play the child's game that it's a Usenet post
    because that's a game the IQ-40 moron Alan Baker loves to play because
    he's never clicked in the links to see _every thread_ contains the
    documented URLs.)
    <http://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>

    I think you should repeat yourself three or four times more,
    that will help with your ad nauseum argument.

    Meanwhile, I don't believe you.

    And I use Android and Linux, so you can take your snooty "yer an
    ikook!" crap and cram it.
    --
    -v
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  • From Wally J@walterjones@invalid.nospam to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Nov 23 01:01:08 2023
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    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote

    Meanwhile, I don't believe you.

    That you don't believe in facts is typical for the child-like Apple ngs.
    *You _hate_ all facts about Apple products, vallor*

    Don't worry. It's common on this newsgroup to hate all facts that you're completely ignorant of - which - let's be clear - is almost all facts.

    Worse... you _hate_ that everything I said was a well-documented fact where your only (child-like) defense is to claim that no facts can exist if
    you're ignorant of those facts (given you're ignorant of all the facts).

    Fancy that...

    This is typical behavior for iKooks, "vallor", so I'm not surprised that
    your entire belief system is purely imaginary - and not based on facts.

    Facts such as these don't enter into your imaginary belief system, vallor.
    *Homeland Security: Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency*
    https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    Do you know why the iPhone is exploited ten time more than Android is?
    I do.
    --
    The problem with iKooks is not so much that they have a low IQ or that
    they're ignorant and uneducated - but that they are all religious zealots.
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  • From onion@onion@anon.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=) to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Nov 23 11:56:11 2023
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    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

    [...]

    I think you should repeat yourself three or four times more,
    that will help with your ad nauseum argument.

    Meanwhile, I don't believe you.

    [...]

    Is that Arlen you're talking to? Good luck with that.

    [fu2: bit-bucket]
    --
    \|/
    (((Ï))) - Mr Ön!on

    When we shake the ketchup bottle
    At first none comes and then a lot'll.
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  • From Wally J@walterjones@invalid.nospam to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Nov 23 13:45:49 2023
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    Mr Ön!on <onion@anon.invalid> wrote

    Good luck with that.

    For the actual adults on this child-like Apple newsgroup...

    1. Google proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Apple has never tested
    the code that had a series of horrid zero-day holes in it.

    That's just a fact.
    Even Apple didn't deny that fact.

    HINT: Apple couldn't deny that fact because Google went into
    great detail saying Apple's QA was "non existent".

    Apple simply asked Google to be nicer about it next time.
    Essentially, Apple has QA. It just sucks (by all accounts).

    We covered this in gory detail on this newsgroup.
    So nobody sensible could or would deny it.

    2. The iKooks deny it. The iKooks deny all facts. Huh?

    Here's the adult question to ask...

    Q: *Why would the iKooks deny all such well-known obvious facts*
    *that bad actors exploit holes in iOS code that isn't tested?*

    Do you know why?
    I do.
    --
    The iKooks own a completely imaginary belief system (which means all facts
    are the most dangerous thing to them, as is anyone who bears those facts).

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  • From Wally J@walterjones@invalid.nospam to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad on Thu Nov 23 13:57:17 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    Are you asserting that they did not previously test before release?

    That's exactly what he and his troll gang (including sms and
    badgolferman) have been claiming for years, without evidence.

    Classic...

    We covered this fact in gory detail, with links from Google who proved
    Apple couldn't possibly ever have exercised the exploited iOS code.

    And now...

    You ignorant iKooks brazenly deny every fact that you already know about?

    *What normal person does that*, Jolly Roger?
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad on Thu Nov 23 10:22:47 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.mobile.ipad

    On 2023-11-23 09:57, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    Are you asserting that they did not previously test before release?

    That's exactly what he and his troll gang (including sms and
    badgolferman) have been claiming for years, without evidence.

    Classic...

    We covered this fact in gory detail, with links from Google who proved
    Apple couldn't possibly ever have exercised the exploited iOS code.

    You're simply lying now.
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