Install iOS 17.4.1 now to patch 2 new zero-day vulnerabilities.
Install iOS 17.4.1 now to patch 2 new zero-day vulnerabilities.
You're a month late. 17.4.1 was released a month ago.
On 4/24/2024 4:51 PM, Chris wrote:
Install iOS 17.4.1 now to patch 2 new zero-day vulnerabilities.
You're a month late. 17.4.1 was released a month ago.
The article is dated "April 24, 2024 3:00 a.m. PT" as it's advice to people who would normally skip the 17.4.1 release since many people wait for 17.5.
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they were intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle.
These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in testing.
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so
severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they were >> intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle.
There's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in testing.
Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS.
On 4/24/2024 9:36 PM, Chris wrote:
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so >>> severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they were >>> intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle.
There's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of
which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns.
These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in testing. >>Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS.
One smartphone OS does "seamless updates" where the user isn't even aware that updates are happening due to A/B partitions.
On 4/24/2024 9:36 PM, Chris wrote:
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so >>> severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they were >>> intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle.
There's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of
which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns.
These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in testing. >>Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS.
One smartphone OS does "seamless updates" where the user isn't even aware that updates are happening due to A/B partitions. Sadly iOS isn't that OS. https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-check-android-device-supports-seamless-updates/
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so
maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
On 4/24/2024 9:36 PM, Chris wrote:
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so >>>> severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they >>>> wereThere's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle. >>>
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of
which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns.
These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in
testing.
Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS.
One smartphone OS does "seamless updates" where the user isn't even aware
that updates are happening due to A/B partitions. Sadly iOS isn't that OS. >> https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-check-android-device-supports-seamless-updates/
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so
maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for
years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority of users.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so
maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for >>> years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority
of users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not
Super USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
The apple walled garden
On 2024-04-25 18:49, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so >>>> maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for >>>> years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority of >>> users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not
Super USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
The apple walled garden
There is no "walled garden" except in the fevered brains of a small number of anguished Android types.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 18:49, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so >>>>> maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other hasThese "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority
enjoyed for
years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it). >>>>
of users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not
Super USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
The apple walled garden
There is no "walled garden" except in the fevered brains of a small
number of anguished Android types.
You just proved my point.
On 2024-04-25 18:49, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so >>>> maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for >>>> years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority of >>> users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not
Super USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
The apple walled garden
There is no "walled garden" except in the fevered brains of a small number of anguished Android types.
On 2024-04-25 19:46, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 18:49, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so >>>>>> maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for >>>>>> years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it). >>>>>These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority >>>>> of users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not
Super USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
The apple walled garden
There is no "walled garden" except in the fevered brains of a small
number of anguished Android types.
You just proved my point.
... er, no. Just gave you incentive for another stream of conscienceless ....
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so >>>> severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they wereThere's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle. >>>
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of
which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns.
Still not a reason to wait.
The slowdown - if it even exists - is
temporary. I can understand waiting a day or two to see any real-world
issues shakes out, but not over a month.
These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in testing.
Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS.
One smartphone OS does "seamless updates" where the user isn't even aware
that updates are happening due to A/B partitions.
Which causes its own problems.
There is no "walled garden" except in the fevered brains of a small number >> of anguished Android types.
So, Android is a mortal enemy. We have to attack android and defend the
holy apple.
I think I've got it now. Thanks.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
On 4/24/2024 9:36 PM, Chris wrote:
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so >>>>> severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they >>>>> wereThere's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle. >>>>
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of
which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns.
These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in
testing.
Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS.
One smartphone OS does "seamless updates" where the user isn't even aware >>> that updates are happening due to A/B partitions. Sadly iOS isn't that OS. >>> https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-check-android-device-supports-seamless-updates/
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so
maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for >>> years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority of users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not Super USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
The apple walled garden works fairly well for us. We are not trying to destroy apple. We do not care about the minutia of apple's imarket, istock prices, isales statistics ... nor any other ibullshit.
This group seems dedicated to quarreling over apple's statistical minutia, and trading sophomoric insults.
The apple walled garden works fairly well for us. We are not trying to
destroy apple. We do not care about the minutia of apple's imarket, istock >> prices, isales statistics ... nor any other ibullshit.
Exactly. Nothing I choose to do with a tablet or phone is limited by
being within a walled garden. For those, I just want them to work
reasonably well when they need to.
In comp.mobile.ipad Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:<snip>
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
On 4/24/2024 9:36 PM, Chris wrote:
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are soThere's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they >>>>>> were
intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle. >>>>>
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of >>>> which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns. >>>>
One smartphone OS does "seamless updates" where the user isn't even aware >>>> that updates are happening due to A/B partitions. Sadly iOS isn't that OS. >>>> https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-check-android-device-supports-seamless-updates/These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in >>>>>> testing.
Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS. >>>>
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so >>>> maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for >>>> years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority of users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not Super >> USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
+1 this. I've used Android and Apple phones/tablets. NEITHER was ever intended as a power-user device. Phones and tablets fall very much in
the "appliance" category for me (AppleIance?). I did try to do photo
editing and organization and use the iPad as primary computing device
for a while. It was not very successful, mostly because the organization aspect was very lacking.
In comp.mobile.ipad Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
On 4/24/2024 9:36 PM, Chris wrote:
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are soThere's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they >>>>>> were
intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle. >>>>>
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of >>>> which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns. >>>>
One smartphone OS does "seamless updates" where the user isn't even aware >>>> that updates are happening due to A/B partitions. Sadly iOS isn't that OS. >>>> https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-check-android-device-supports-seamless-updates/These are the 2 0-day holes that Google found that Apple missed in >>>>>> testing.
Which is why all updates should be installed. Doesn't matter which OS. >>>>
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so >>>> maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other has enjoyed for >>>> years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it).
These "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority of users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not Super >> USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
+1 this. I've used Android and Apple phones/tablets. NEITHER was ever intended as a power-user device. Phones and tablets fall very much in
the "appliance" category for me (AppleIance?). I did try to do photo
editing and organization and use the iPad as primary computing device
for a while. It was not very successful, mostly because the organization aspect was very lacking.
I ended up with Apple devices because I got tired of the various
annoyances with Android, because I at best tolerate Windows, and Linux doesn't really cut it for the photo editing side of things.
iOS/iPadOS/MacOS solved some of those annoyances, but
the trade off is different annoyances. I can live with them.
The apple walled garden works fairly well for us. We are not trying to
destroy apple. We do not care about the minutia of apple's imarket, istock >> prices, isales statistics ... nor any other ibullshit.
Exactly. Nothing I choose to do with a tablet or phone is limited by
being within a walled garden. For those, I just want them to work
reasonably well when they need to.
The real work gets done on the Mac, or my work Windows laptop, or a
small BSD virtual machine which runs the "old school" stuff like 'tin' newsreader in a terminal (and I can login to that from the iPad or
iPhone if I want to, even remotely over a VPN).
If I want to tinker around with a system, I've got plenty of them to
choose from that are capable of such, and can emulate just about
anything I feel like on the Mac.
This group seems dedicated to quarreling over apple's statistical minutia, >> and trading sophomoric insults.
I just came back to Usenet after probably 25 years away. Such it was
then, such it remains (just with fewer people left to flame each other).
Oh well. :)
On 4/25/2024 5:30 PM, Chris wrote:
The advice is that these iOS zero-day holes that Apple didn't find are so >>>>> severe, the recommendation is for iPhone owners to update even if they wereThere's no reason to wait that long to install updates.
intending to wait for iOS 17.5 before running yet another update cycle. >>>>
But a lot of people do wait, for a variety of reasons, not the least of
which is the way iPhones are updated can cause a variety of slowdowns.
Still not a reason to wait.
I'm not disagreeing with you that people should not wait.
But they do wait.
You have to ask yourself WHY those people wait.
Why do YOU think they wait?
The slowdown - if it even exists - is
temporary. I can understand waiting a day or two to see any real-world
issues shakes out, but not over a month.
The iPhone update slowdown doesn't always exist but it often exists.
It's even worse with iOS upgrades than with the more numerous updates.
You know this because you have experienced it.
Everyone has.
But the fact you said it means you don't actually do anything with that tablet or phone that Apple hasn't scripted for you because the walled
garden very much is debilitating if you did.
It's like someone who thinks the earth revolves around the moon isn't actually ever going to get a spaceship to the moon thinking that way.
Because the number of rather useful things that everyone else can do but which the walled garden prevents you from doing is absolutely astounding.
But the fact you said it means you don't actually do anything with that
tablet or phone that Apple hasn't scripted for you because the walled
garden very much is debilitating if you did.
"Debilitating" rofl
It's like someone who thinks the earth revolves around the moon isn't
actually ever going to get a spaceship to the moon thinking that way.
How many people fly to the moon...?
Because the number of rather useful things that everyone else can do but
which the walled garden prevents you from doing is absolutely astounding.
"Everyone else" being tech nerds who like to tinker. Everyone else truly
just want something that works for Snapchat, tiktok and instagram.
You know this because you have experienced it.
Everyone has.
Nope never.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 22:11:04 -0000 (UTC), paul@paulglover.net.invalid
wrote:
The apple walled garden works fairly well for us. We are not trying to
Exactly. Nothing I choose to do with a tablet or phone is limited by
being within a walled garden. For those, I just want them to work
The pre-Galilean Pope decreed that the sun revolves around the earth.
There is nothing wrong with you thinking that the sun revolves around the earth as long as it works for you, just as you seeming to be saying that
the infamous walled garden doesn't hinder your efforts with a tablet or
phone isn't wrong - as long as it works for you.
But the fact you said it means you don't actually do anything with that tablet or phone that Apple hasn't scripted for you because the walled
garden very much is debilitating if you did.
It's like someone who thinks the earth revolves around the moon isn't actually ever going to get a spaceship to the moon thinking that way.
Because the number of rather useful things that everyone else can do but which the walled garden prevents you from doing is absolutely astounding.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 18:49, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 05:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
But iOS is getting better with the advent of real patches in iOS 16 so >>>>> maybe Apple will add the seamless updates that the other hasThese "features" are actually not missed on iOS by the vast majority
enjoyed for
years (where the OS updates monthly without the user even knowing it). >>>>
of users.
Exactly. Many of us just use apple stuff as an appliance. We are not
Super USERS. We are not Apple cult fans.
The apple walled garden
There is no "walled garden" except in the fevered brains of a small
number of anguished Android types.
So, Android is a mortal enemy.
We have to attack android and defend the
holy apple.
I think I've got it now. Thanks.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-25 19:46, Hank Rogers wrote:
You just proved my point.
... er, no. Just gave you incentive for another stream of
conscienceless ....
Patriotism is when love of Apple comes first; And hate for Android comes second.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 22:11:04 -0000 (UTC), paul@paulglover.net.invalid
wrote:
The apple walled garden works fairly well for us. We are not trying
to destroy apple. We do not care about the minutia of apple's
imarket, istock prices, isales statistics ... nor any other ibullshit.
Exactly. Nothing I choose to do with a tablet or phone is limited by
being within a walled garden. For those, I just want them to work
reasonably well when they need to.
The pre-Galilean Pope decreed that the sun revolves around the earth.
There is nothing wrong with you thinking that the sun revolves around the earth as long as it works for you, just as you seeming to be saying that
the infamous walled garden doesn't hinder your efforts with a tablet or
phone isn't wrong - as long as it works for you.
But the fact you said it means you don't actually do anything with that tablet or phone that Apple hasn't scripted for you because the walled
garden very much is debilitating if you did.
Patriotism is when love of Apple comes first; And hate for Android comes
second.
I never wrote that. Hank Rogers, who appears to have serious mental
issues, wrote that and falsely attributed it to me.
I think I've got it now. Thanks.
You don't think. You certainly don't "got it".
Except there isn't a walled garden. It's more of a gated community.
Can do all we want - and more. Nothing debilitating.
Despite Apple's attempts to claim otherwise, the iPad is not and cannot
be a computer replacement for many reasons. The main one being that fat fingers are a hopelessly inaccurate input device. The Pencil or similar stylus (that Steve Jobs abhored when the iPad first launched) make is a
bit better, but your hands are still in the way of the display so it is still nowhere near as good as a mouse, trackpad, or separate graphics tablet.
There is nothing wrong with you thinking that the sun revolves around the
earth as long as it works for you, just as you seeming to be saying that
the infamous walled garden doesn't hinder your efforts with a tablet or
phone isn't wrong - as long as it works for you.
And yet, you're choosing an analogy in which one of the options is
very demonstrably wrong. The earth orbits the sun. Period. Anyone
who says otherwise is obviously crazy. Ergo, anyone who disagrees with
you must be crazy. Right? ;-)
Whereas in reality, what one person needs their tablet to do is very different to another. Neither is actually wrong, unless they stubbornly refuse to accept that a particular device has limits which make it
unsuitable for *their* needs.
Where they get very sideways indeed is when they INSIST that everyone
else should be upset because a device can't do something that only they
care about. Your experience is not theirs, and vice-versa. Most people
have quite limited use cases for a tablet device, and so never come
close to hitting the limits. They just don't care about the things you
care about.
But the fact you said it means you don't actually do anything with that
tablet or phone that Apple hasn't scripted for you because the walled
garden very much is debilitating if you did.
To be fair, you do have a point here. If I stubbornly insisted on trying
to use my iPad for things it isn't able or lacks the software tools to
do, it would be debilitating.
But I do not, because it's really about using the right tool for the
job and I have plenty of other tools that are suitable.
The thing you ignored here is that I was actually surprised at what I
*could* do with an iPad. As for the things I could not? Those mostly
came down to lack of storage space and lack of specific software tools,
not any apparent Apple imposed limits.
As far as I can tell, Apple wasn't stopping anyone from writing a
digital asset management tool for the iPad.
The only limit I did run into that was related directly to Apple policy
was emulating old computers (no emulation allowed). Didn't they just
remove that limit?
It's like someone who thinks the earth revolves around the moon isn't
actually ever going to get a spaceship to the moon thinking that way.
Not entirely sure what your point is here.
I suppose the real world version of that analogy is that, lacking an
iPad native digital asset management system written by someone else, I
should have just gone ahead and written my own so I could have used the
iPad for everything? Which I could not have done using just an iPad, so
I'd have been stuck, because this is all taking place in some fever
dream where I have nothing but an iPad and iPhone available?
No thanks. Someone else can take care of that sort of moonshot.
Because the number of rather useful things that everyone else can do but
which the walled garden prevents you from doing is absolutely astounding.
I'm genuinely curious what it is that you are trying to do which you
cannot because of the "walled garden". Or what you're presuming that
I've been limited from being able to do?
The list of things I've found which I could not adequately do with just
an iPad is not "absolutely astounding" at all:
1. Digital photo library management. IPhoto sucks at this. Flash storage isn't enough for ingesting large cards full of images. Nobody has
written software to do this properly on an iPad.
2. Developing iPad software on the iPad. Except I don't have time for
this as a hobby now (after 30 years of programming for a living, the
last thing I want to do is more of the same in my spare time!) I have
Xcode on my Mac. I never use it. I could certainly see this one being upsetting to some people, though.
3. Playing emulated classic games.
That makes three things I could not do. Three. One of which I didn't
really have time for anyway. I'm sure there are others, but if so, they aren't things I personally needed to do.
What about things I *could* do on an iPad? Just a sampling:
Photo editing. Video editing. Thin client remote desktop to Windows and
Mac. Vector art. Page layout. Text editing. Anything I can connect to
with an SSH client (which includes the BSD VM running a copy of tin newsreader that I'm logged into right now to write this reply to you).
Email, web, listening to music, reading e-books, planning an astrophotography/stargazing evening, watching movies and TV shows, doomscrolling through endless sponsored posts on Instagram, playing
games. Task management, calendar management. Additional display for the
Mac, with the ability to interact with Mac apps using an Apple Pencil (I always wanted a graphics tablet which showed the content right there as
you edited it, now I have one.) Lots and lots of other things, because I can't be bothered listing all of what I am able to do with this iPad.
It's a lot, and life is too short for that.
So excuse me if I don't feel limited by whatever it is you seem to think Apple doesn't want me to do with their device. If that means I'm not
being ambitious enough for your liking, well... I don't care :)
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC
you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
Every other operating system can do that except iOS.
On Apr 27, 2024 at 6:23:34???AM EDT, "Oscar Mayer" <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
iOS/iPadOS can do that wirelessly. I do it occasionally. Why do you need to "plug it in"?
In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 27, 2024 at 6:23:34???AM EDT, "Oscar Mayer" <nobody@oscarmayer.com> >> wrote:
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC >>> you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
iOS/iPadOS can do that wirelessly. I do it occasionally. Why do you need to >> "plug it in"?
Not all computers have wifi. My old custom built desktop PCs don't have wifi.
On 4/27/2024 8:53 AM, Chris wrote:
You know this because you have experienced it.
Everyone has.
Nope never.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
To deny that there are slowdowns after updating/upgrading iOS is to deny
what many people have & even Apple has documented to often be the case.
On 4/27/2024 8:53 AM, Chris wrote:
You know this because you have experienced it.
Everyone has.
Nope never.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
To deny that there are slowdowns after updating/upgrading iOS is to deny
what many people have & even Apple has documented to often be the case.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 11:07:16 +1200, Your Name wrote:
Despite Apple's attempts to claim otherwise, the iPad is not and cannot
be a computer replacement for many reasons. The main one being that fat
fingers are a hopelessly inaccurate input device. The Pencil or similar
stylus (that Steve Jobs abhored when the iPad first launched) make is a
bit better, but your hands are still in the way of the display so it is
still nowhere near as good as a mouse, trackpad, or separate graphics
tablet.
All what you said is true, but some of what you said can be overcome by mirroring the iPad over onto the Windows computer using a tool such as https://www.vysor.io/download/
When casting that iPad to the PC's monitor, you have full use of the keyboard, mouse and clipboard of the PC (and any attached pencils).
On Apr 27, 2024 at 6:23:34 AM EDT, "Oscar Mayer" <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux
PC you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you
want?
iOS/iPadOS can do that wirelessly. I do it occasionally. Why do you
need to "plug it in"?
Every other operating system can do that except iOS.
Wrong again.
In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 27, 2024 at 6:23:34???AM EDT, "Oscar Mayer" <nobody@oscarmayer.com> >> wrote:
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or
Linux PC you want where you can copy files back and forth to
anywhere you want?
iOS/iPadOS can do that wirelessly. I do it occasionally. Why do you
need to "plug it in"?
Not all computers have wifi. My old custom built desktop PCs don't
have wifi.
On 2024-04-27, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 27, 2024 at 6:23:34???AM EDT, "Oscar Mayer" <nobody@oscarmayer.com> >>> wrote:
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or
Linux PC you want where you can copy files back and forth to
anywhere you want?
iOS/iPadOS can do that wirelessly. I do it occasionally. Why do you
need to "plug it in"?
Not all computers have wifi. My old custom built desktop PCs don't
have wifi.
So use an app that does it through USB instead. Big deal.
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC
you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
iOS/iPadOS can do that wirelessly. I do it occasionally. Why do you need to "plug it in"?
Every other operating system can do that except iOS.
Wrong again.
iOS/iPadOS can do that wirelessly. I do it occasionally. Why do you
need to "plug it in"?
Apple devices have been able to share files wirelessly and over USB
forever:
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
When you write "walled garden" 1,000,000 times you get a fluffy bear.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:58:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
But the fact you said it means you don't actually do anything with that
tablet or phone that Apple hasn't scripted for you because the walled
garden very much is debilitating if you did.
"Debilitating" rofl
Again, if you only use the iPhone for basic things like playing games, then you won't notice how debilitating the walled garden truly is when you want
to do things that everyone else does without even thinking about doing it.
It's like someone who thinks the earth revolves around the moon isn't
actually ever going to get a spaceship to the moon thinking that way.
How many people fly to the moon...?
The number of things that every operating system except iOS does that iOS doesn't do is so large that it's debilitating to use an iPhone after you've used Android with any other operating system, including Linux & Windows.
Because the number of rather useful things that everyone else can do but >>> which the walled garden prevents you from doing is absolutely astounding. >>"Everyone else" being tech nerds who like to tinker. Everyone else truly
just want something that works for Snapchat, tiktok and instagram.
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC
you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
It's only Apple's operating systems that don't work in the real world
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC
you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
Only a tiny number of people want to do that.
Bill Powell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 11:07:16 +1200, Your Name wrote:
Despite Apple's attempts to claim otherwise, the iPad is not and cannot >>> be a computer replacement for many reasons. The main one being that fat >>> fingers are a hopelessly inaccurate input device. The Pencil or similar >>> stylus (that Steve Jobs abhored when the iPad first launched) make is a >>> bit better, but your hands are still in the way of the display so it is >>> still nowhere near as good as a mouse, trackpad, or separate graphics
tablet.
All what you said is true, but some of what you said can be overcome by
mirroring the iPad over onto the Windows computer using a tool such as
https://www.vysor.io/download/
When casting that iPad to the PC's monitor, you have full use of the
keyboard, mouse and clipboard of the PC (and any attached pencils).
If your PC really needs that ipad, it must be a pretty lame computer. I would agree that an ipad might help, if your PC is from 1991, sporting an intel 386 with a single 5-1/4" floppy.
On 4/27/2024 8:53 AM, Chris wrote:
You know this because you have experienced it.
Everyone has.
Nope never.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
To deny that there are slowdowns after updating/upgrading iOS is to deny
what many people have & even Apple has documented to often be the case.
On Apr 28, 2024 at 5:16:13 PM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC >>> you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
Only a tiny number of people want to do that.
True. And it can be done wirelessly anyway. There is absolutely no need to plug it in via USB.
You use the "Connect To Server" option in the Files app. Enter the IP address of your Windows PC, then you select the share (drive, folder, whatever) to connect to. Move whatever files you want, in both directions.
That the clueless trolls don't know how to do it, does not mean it can't be done.
Dunno about Linux. It may work, but I have never tried it because I have no need for Linux here. But Apple does not need to support Linux anyway, since so
few people use it.
Linux is not "the real world".
Certainly the number of
iPhone/iPad owners who also use Linux is near zero.
And of course, this will work with any Windows PC on the network, regardless of how it is connected to the network.
It's only Apple's operating systems that don't work in the real world
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
I wonder what unreal world the people who buy Apple devices live in? I mean there are billions of them.
They all seem living pretty normal lives. In fact I wonder if it's them who live in the real world and not you. Just a thought.
Linux is not "the real world".
Er, what? It runs practically half the internet.
Certainly the number of
iPhone/iPad owners who also use Linux is near zero.
I'm one of the non-zeroes.
Again, if you only use the iPhone for basic things like playing games, then >> you won't notice how debilitating the walled garden truly is when you want >> to do things that everyone else does without even thinking about doing it.
Such as? Millions of people use iphones for work and not just play games. None of them feel "debilitated".
It's like someone who thinks the earth revolves around the moon isn't
actually ever going to get a spaceship to the moon thinking that way.
How many people fly to the moon...?
The number of things that every operating system except iOS does that iOS
doesn't do is so large that it's debilitating to use an iPhone after you've >> used Android with any other operating system, including Linux & Windows.
Do you think iphone owners have never used other operating systems? Most,
if not all, will be familiar with windows, macOS or linux and yet they
still keep buying expensive, "debilitated" phones.
Because the number of rather useful things that everyone else can do but >>>> which the walled garden prevents you from doing is absolutely astounding. >>>"Everyone else" being tech nerds who like to tinker. Everyone else truly >>> just want something that works for Snapchat, tiktok and instagram.
What if you want to plug any phone you want into any Windows or Linux PC
you want where you can copy files back and forth to anywhere you want?
Only a tiny number of people want to do that.
If your PC really needs that ipad, it must be a pretty lame computer. I
would agree that an ipad might help, if your PC is from 1991, sporting an >> intel 386 with a single 5-1/4" floppy.
An ipad is just as fast as a PC for pretty much any desktop task. Apple Silicon blows intel out of the water for efficiency and anything below 13th gen intel in raw power.
Linux is not "the real world".
Er, what? It runs practically half the internet.
From the perspective of home users. Not servers.
Certainly the number of
iPhone/iPad owners who also use Linux is near zero.
I'm one of the non-zeroes.
Still near zero compared to iPhone users with Windows or Macs.
Yeah, I thought Linux did Samba sharing. So the iOS Files app will work for that too. Wirelessly.
Time for the trolls to move on to the next baseless claim.
But anyone who claims that "Files" is the solution, doesn't live in the
real world, as someone else has already shown in rather gory detail.
They're just making excuses for why iOS Apple devices don't interoperate.
They're just making excuses for why iOS Apple devices don't interoperate.
Get a clue. The Files app IS the solution. You connect to a shared drive. Just like you do with Windows. You enter your Windows login name and password.
You can then see the entire
"C" drive. Or any other shared drive on the Windows box. Depending, of course,
on the permissions on the shared drive. Mine are Full Control, because no one but me will be doing this.
Again, just because you don't know how to do something, does not mean it can't
be done.
Apple optimized iOS to fit its users.
On 4/27/2024 8:53 AM, Chris wrote:
You know this because you have experienced it.
Everyone has.
Nope never.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
To deny that there are slowdowns after updating/upgrading iOS is to deny
what many people have & even Apple has documented to often be the case.
Correction. It is optimised for 95% of all users.
All functionality you mention is of no interests to the average android
user either. Of course, if those are genuinely things you want to do -
other than simply grind your axe - then ios is not for you. It's called freedom of choice.
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 12:48:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
When you write "walled garden" 1,000,000 times you get a fluffy bear.
If someone claims there is no walled garden, that simply means they only
use the Apple device as a toy. They don't actually do anything with it.
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:35:11 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
It's only Apple's operating systems that don't work in the real world
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
I wonder what unreal world the people who buy Apple devices live in? I
mean
there are billions of them.
They all seem living pretty normal lives. In fact I wonder if it's
them who
live in the real world and not you. Just a thought.
You don't use the iPhone in the real world - because it doesn't work in the real world (e.g., Linux is in the real word as is Windows as are iPhones which are not registered to you so you don't know their AppleID password).
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
I integrate both my personal needs and business with Apple devices.
Makes all things exceedingly seamless and easy. This includes not only
the usual apps, but high end productivity apps and s/w written for
personal and business use.
You (OTOH) are just a sad, broken troll.
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can
attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe creative s/w, etc.).
You remain a sad, broken and ineffective troll.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:48:50 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
Correction. It is optimised for 95% of all users.
All functionality you mention is of no interests to the average android
user either. Of course, if those are genuinely things you want to do -
other than simply grind your axe - then ios is not for you. It's called
freedom of choice.
I knew ahead of time you'd say that all functionality that all other operating systems have is "not needed" & "not wanted" by iOS users.
On 2024-04-28 20:41, Oscar Mayer wrote:
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:35:11 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
It's only Apple's operating systems that don't work in the real world
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
I wonder what unreal world the people who buy Apple devices live in? I
mean
there are billions of them.
They all seem living pretty normal lives. In fact I wonder if it's
them who
live in the real world and not you. Just a thought.
You don't use the iPhone in the real world - because it doesn't work in the >> real world (e.g., Linux is in the real word as is Windows as are iPhones
which are not registered to you so you don't know their AppleID password). >>
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can
attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe creative s/w, etc.).
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:35:11 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
It's only Apple's operating systems that don't work in the real world
(which is the world that includes more than just the walled garden).
I wonder what unreal world the people who buy Apple devices live in? I mean >> there are billions of them.
They all seem living pretty normal lives. In fact I wonder if it's them who >> live in the real world and not you. Just a thought.
You don't use the iPhone in the real world - because it doesn't work in the real world (e.g., Linux is in the real word as is Windows as are iPhones which are not registered to you so you don't know their AppleID password).
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
I did not say that.
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world. >>Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can
attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe
creative s/w, etc.).
Agree. That's the main reason I moved from linux to macOS. OpenOffice just didn't cut it in a work environment.
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
You're increasingly convincing me that you don't know what the real world
is.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:50:55 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world. >>You're increasingly convincing me that you don't know what the real world
is.
You have to admit that you prove my point the instant you said that.
You have no idea what libimobiledevice and iFuse are, isn't that right.
Those are, BTW, the most fundamental components of the interface between Linux and iOS and you don't have a clue what those interfaces even do.
In your complete confidence of your supreme ignorance of the real world,
you then say I don't know how iOS interfaces to the Linux world.
That proves my point about you.
You know nothing about iOS.
Worse, you don't know the first thing of how iOS interfaces to Linux.
And Linux, my dear friend, happens to be a part of the real world.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:45:52 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
I did not say that.
Yes, you did.
Your main excuse for why iOS can't do what every other operating system easily does (particularly Android), is that being able to do useful things is, in your opinion, "not needed" & "not wanted" by iOS users.
But that's only your excuse for why iOS doesn't work in the real world.
Apple built iOS for users who don't do anything useful except play games.
Chris wrote on Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:50:54 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world. >>>Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can
attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe >>> creative s/w, etc.).
Agree. That's the main reason I moved from linux to macOS. OpenOffice just >> didn't cut it in a work environment.
In the work environment, almost everyone uses Microsoft Office nowadays.
Extremely few corporations use macOS as almost all use Microsoft Windows.
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the graphics learned on
the mac and they can't switch to anything else as they don't like change.
As for engineers, almost all are on Linux (although many are dual boot with Windows which, in effect, gives them the best of both worlds on one PC).
Extremely few engineers would want to be caught dead on macOS, but some
exist (mostly those who are like the marketing communications people).
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:45:52 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
I did not say that.
Yes, you did.
Your main excuse for why iOS can't do
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:50:55 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world. >>You're increasingly convincing me that you don't know what the real world
is.
You have to admit that you prove my point the instant you said that.
You have no idea what libimobiledevice and iFuse are, isn't that right.
Those are, BTW, the most fundamental components of the interface between Linux and iOS and you don't have a clue what those interfaces even do.
In your complete confidence of your supreme ignorance of the real world,
you then say I don't know how iOS interfaces to the Linux world.
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else as
they don't like change.
Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
Other OS do the same but by factors less efficiently.
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else as
they don't like change.
Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up oozing
out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide them.
You have to admit that you prove my point the instant you said that.
You have no idea what libimobiledevice and iFuse are, isn't that right.
It's funny when someone tries to boast about something trivial.
Those are, BTW, the most fundamental components of the interface between
Linux and iOS and you don't have a clue what those interfaces even do.
I was using FUSE about 10 years ago to be able to mount NTFS drives and ssh connections in linux. It worked, but was pretty flakey and very slow.
In your complete confidence of your supreme ignorance of the real world,
you then say I don't know how iOS interfaces to the Linux world.
You're projecting. I never said such a thing.
If someone doesn't use Linux how is anything you say relevant to
them? iPhones are the real world for many people who use neither Linux nor its offshoot Android.
Next you will be telling us about Dunning Kruger or beemers vs bimmers .
I made no excuses. I, in fact, acknowledged that the things you say you
want to do can't be done on ios.
I type quite a few documents into Pages though.
Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else as
they don't like change.
Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up oozing
out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide them.
And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
It's interesting that I said the correct statistical data about the use of Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office in the corporate environment, and in the use of Linux (almost always Redhat due to the corporate support) in the engineering world and Chris called me a Neanderthal for stating those
facts.
It doesn't matter that everyone knows those facts, as simply stating them causes you Apple nutcases to call all truths about Apple to be trolls.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:39:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
If someone doesn't use Linux how is anything you say relevant to
them? iPhones are the real world for many people who use neither Linux nor >> its offshoot Android.
Next you will be telling us about Dunning Kruger or beemers vs bimmers .
For you Apple religious nutjobs to claim that Linux doesn't exist is no different than ISIS religious nutjobs claiming no other religion exists.
You Apple religious nutjobs live in a fantasy world of the walled garden.
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your incorrect "facts".
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else
as they don't like change.
Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up
oozing out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide
them.
And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
On 2024-04-30, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else >>>>>> as they don't like change.
Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up
oozing out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide
them.
And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
incorrect "facts".
I'm sure that was just "locker room talk", which we are all supposed to ignore.
I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your incorrect "facts".
Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 15:59:55 GMT :
On 2024-04-30, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the >>>>>>> graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else >>>>>>> as they don't like change.
Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up
oozing out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide
them.
And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
incorrect "facts".
I'm sure that was just "locker room talk", which we are all supposed to
ignore.
Chris wrote:
I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
incorrect "facts".
I have worked in technology for longer than you probably are of age,
and
the design teams in the MarComms groups are almost exclusively women.
In fact, I've never seen a male in any of the Marketing Communications groups, but I'm sure they exist, just as women sometimes are power pole linesmen climbing the poles and hoisting up transformers and the like.
In those Marketing Communications groups, they use Corel Draw and PhotoShop on a Mac, and that's all they know and it's all they ever want to know.
While most engineers wouldn't touch the primitive Mac with a ten foot pole,
these drawing-related groups revel in their love of every Apple provides.
If you showed up with a Linux box and said they'd have to use it, they'd
drop dead of heart attacks one by one, the moment they had to type
something instead of pulling down a menu inside of those classic apps.
In the corporate world, those drawing-related Mac users are typically far less educated than the far better educated engineers who are,
as a result,
mostly on Linux and who mostly use Windows for Microsoft Office.
In those Marketing Communications groups, they use Corel Draw and PhotoShop >> on a Mac, and that's all they know and it's all they ever want to know.
Why shouldn't they if it works and provides value to the business?
While most engineers wouldn't touch the primitive Mac with a ten foot pole,
Primitive lol. Ask yourself why so many scientists use macs. Plus musicians and film makers. Windows just doesn't cut it.
these drawing-related groups revel in their love of every Apple provides.
If you showed up with a Linux box and said they'd have to use it, they'd
drop dead of heart attacks one by one, the moment they had to type
something instead of pulling down a menu inside of those classic apps.
What professional level drawing and graphics applications exist on linux?
In the corporate world, those drawing-related Mac users are typically far
less educated than the far better educated engineers who are,
Your implication is misplaced and reflective of your bias to which I refer
to my earlier comment.
as a result,
mostly on Linux and who mostly use Windows for Microsoft Office.
On a mac you can do both on one system. That's why I shifted from linux + windows.
Chris wrote on Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:45:45 -0000 (UTC) :
On a mac you can do both on one system. That's why I shifted from linux +
windows.
I have to say I haven't used the mac for many years, but when I did, it was atrocious in how limited it was. It was the Apple way or you failed.
Most people failed which is why Windows, as bad as it is, owns the lions share of the market for corporate desktops.
Let's google whether or not that statement is true:
[https://www.google.com/search?q=corporate+desktop+market+share+macos+vs+windows]
The only way Apple devices work is when they're all in the walled garden.
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
Chris wrote on Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:50:54 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can
attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe >>>> creative s/w, etc.).
Agree. That's the main reason I moved from linux to macOS. OpenOffice just >>> didn't cut it in a work environment.
In the work environment, almost everyone uses Microsoft Office nowadays.
Exactly why I moved to macOS. Best of all worlds. A real unix and standard office productivity apps. I can hack away on a shell script and prepare a
ppt presentation at the same time.
Extremely few corporations use macOS as almost all use Microsoft Windows.
Yeah many stick to the lowest common denominator. Cheap and cheerful.
However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing departments
where the women (it's almost always women) who do the graphics learned on
the mac and they can't switch to anything else as they don't like change.
Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
As for engineers, almost all are on Linux (although many are dual boot with >> Windows which, in effect, gives them the best of both worlds on one PC).
In which industry? I think you'll find that many engineering tools are windows only.
Extremely few engineers would want to be caught dead on macOS, but some
exist (mostly those who are like the marketing communications people).
Who cares about engineers. Scientists often prefer macs. Watch any recent documentary about astrophysics or high energy physics and you'll see many macs on display. Same in other informatics fields like genomics although
not so much in computer science.
Apple is expensive because it doesn't target the low end, high volume but targets demanding users who need robust, reliable hardware that works.
Hence why it's favoured by professionals in creative industries.
macOS is also a unix machine, hence why it's liked by scientists and
software engineers who have seen the light. All the benefits of linux are present.
The only way Apple devices work is when they're all in the walled garden.
False.
Chris wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 07:36:54 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple is expensive because it doesn't target the low end, high volume but
targets demanding users who need robust, reliable hardware that works.
Hence why it's favoured by professionals in creative industries.
Apple makes over 50% profit on each iPhone last I checked (admittedly long ago), whereas Android profits are far lower than that.
Why?
Because Apple Marketing is one of the best on earth, perhaps even better
than Big Tobacco and Big Soda marketing (which themselves are excellent).
Apple has no qualms about telling "The Big Lie" (and, as proof, look at the plethora of expensive lawsuits Apple lost for spewing all those lies).
So the real reason Apple products are expensive is Apple Marketing has convinced the gullible uneducated technically inferior people that it's better (and those technically clueless people don't know any better).
On 2024-04-29 17:59, Chris wrote:
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
Chris wrote on Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:50:54 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can >>>>> attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe >>>>> creative s/w, etc.).
Agree. That's the main reason I moved from linux to macOS. OpenOffice just >>>> didn't cut it in a work environment.
In the work environment, almost everyone uses Microsoft Office nowadays.
Exactly why I moved to macOS. Best of all worlds. A real unix and standard >> office productivity apps. I can hack away on a shell script and prepare a
ppt presentation at the same time.
When I decided to quit Windows (ca 2006) I tries Linux as my home
computer for near a month. It was clearly unworkable in "the real
world" where using it with other people was concerned. Installing and configuring s/w in those days was also a bit more painful than today.
OpenOffice (in those days) was okay, but importing/exporting Word and
Excel was a chore and a lot of formatting data (esp. Excel) was mangled
in the process.
Extremely few corporations use macOS as almost all use Microsoft Windows. >>Yeah many stick to the lowest common denominator. Cheap and cheerful.
Also low training cost - most everyone knows Windows ... I hardly use it
but when I'm forced to, no matter what the wrappings, the foundation
crap never changes.
Chris wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 07:36:54 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple is expensive because it doesn't target the low end, high volume but
targets demanding users who need robust, reliable hardware that works.
Hence why it's favoured by professionals in creative industries.
Apple makes over 50% profit on each iPhone last I checked
(admittedly long
ago), whereas Android profits are far lower than that.
Why?
Because Apple Marketing is one of the best on earth, perhaps even better
than Big Tobacco and Big Soda marketing (which themselves are excellent).
Apple has no qualms about telling "The Big Lie" (and, as proof, look at the plethora of expensive lawsuits Apple lost for spewing all those lies).
So the real reason Apple products are expensive is Apple Marketing has convinced the gullible uneducated technically inferior people that it's better (and those technically clueless people don't know any better).
I suspect the reason you don't know how technically inferior Apple products are is that you are clueless yourself about Android. Am I right?
macOS is also a unix machine, hence why it's liked by scientists and
software engineers who have seen the light. All the benefits of linux are
present.
I could say the same thing about Android which is just as much a Linux box.
Bear in mind I probably have and use more Apple mobile devices than you do.
The only way Apple devices work is when they're all in the walled garden. >>False.
I probably have right in front of me more iPads & iPhones than you do.
Your own statements prove you're technically clueless about Android's capability to work when the Apple devices fail due to the walled garden.
Before you respond that you think I am clueless about iOS not working
outside the walled garden, take a look at these three representative screenshots I made for badgolferman's photo-file-naming thread.
https://i.postimg.cc/RVdVKS8q/Apple-Ipad.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RVdVKS8q/Apple-Ipad.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg
I'm surprised it's not more pictures of books.
Do you have android for dummies?
Apple makes over 50% profit on each iPhone last I checked
Where and how did you check? That's secret information.
Android is linux in all but name. Linus Torvalds is the only reason why the android kernel is not mainline linux.
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