So if you’re a US college stoont, you can get Mightgrowsoft 365
(personal licence only) free for a year <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/microsoft-offers-a-one-year-free-microsoft-365-subscription-to-college-students-eligible-users-get-50-percent-off-the-monthly-plan-after-the-first-year>.
Or, if you’re a human being whether collegiate or not, you can get LibreOffice full-function Professional Enterprise Unlimited version,
free for a lifetime.
So if you’re a US college stoont, you can get Mightgrowsoft 365
(personal licence only) free for a year <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/microsoft-offers-a-one-year-free-microsoft-365-subscription-to-college-students-eligible-users-get-50-percent-off-the-monthly-plan-after-the-first-year>.
Or, if you’re a human being whether collegiate or not, you can get LibreOffice full-function Professional Enterprise Unlimited version,
free for a lifetime.
<https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-office-professional-2021-for-windows-lifetime-license-8?>
At prices like this, "free" software is not worth the hassle.
On Mon, 08 Sep 2025 23:58:10 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
<https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-office-professional-2021-for-windows-lifetime-license-8?>
With Free Software, “lifetime” really does mean “lifetime”.
With proprietary software, they can break your licence any time they
like.
At prices like this, "free" software is not worth the hassle.
The “hassle” is with the proprietary licensing rigmarole. Free
Software frees you from that.
On Mon, 08 Sep 2025 23:58:10 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
<https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-office-professional-2021-for-windows-lifetime-license-8?>
With Free Software, “lifetime” really does mean “lifetime”.
With proprietary software, they can break your licence any time they
like.
At prices like this, "free" software is not worth the hassle.
The “hassle” is with the proprietary licensing rigmarole. Free
Software frees you from that.
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2025 23:58:10 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
<https://deals.bleepingcomputer.com/sales/microsoft-office-professional-2021-for-windows-lifetime-license-8?>
With Free Software, “lifetime” really does mean “lifetime”.
With proprietary software, they can break your licence any time they
like.
At prices like this, "free" software is not worth the hassle.
The “hassle” is with the proprietary licensing rigmarole. Free
Software frees you from that.
It's an easy choice. If you need exact compatibility with
Microsoft's 6000-page "standards" document, get Microsoft and
pay for it.
If you need a good office package at a low price, with a fair
amount of compatibilty with Microsoft Office, use Libreoffice
or some of the other packages out there.
Complete Microsoft compatibility is a niche need.
On 9/8/2025 6:58 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So if you’re a US college stoont, you can get Mightgrowsoft 365
(personal licence only) free for a year
<https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/microsoft-offers-a-one-year-free-microsoft-365-subscription-to-college-students-eligible-users-get-50-percent-off-the-monthly-plan-after-the-first-year>.
Or, if you’re a human being whether collegiate or not, you can get
LibreOffice full-function Professional Enterprise Unlimited version,
free for a lifetime.
I have LO under Win11, as usual. Microsoft's talk of AI and paying for crapware is ignored.
Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 23:08 this Monday (GMT):
On 9/8/2025 6:58 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So if you’re a US college stoont, you can get Mightgrowsoft 365
(personal licence only) free for a year
<https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/microsoft-offers-a-one-year-free-microsoft-365-subscription-to-college-students-eligible-users-get-50-percent-off-the-monthly-plan-after-the-first-year>.
Or, if you’re a human being whether collegiate or not, you can get
LibreOffice full-function Professional Enterprise Unlimited version,
free for a lifetime.
I have LO under Win11, as usual. Microsoft's talk of AI and paying for
crapware is ignored.
Until they start forcing it down your throat harder..
Until [Microsoft] start forcing [AI] down your throat harder..
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 18:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Until [Microsoft] start forcing [AI] down your throat harder..
That would be interesting, because providing an AI service isn’t exactly free. They have to find some mechanism for charging for it, which means,
as long as users refuse to pay, there is no way to force them to accept
it.
On 9/10/2025 3:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 18:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Until [Microsoft] start forcing [AI] down your throat harder..
That would be interesting, because providing an AI service isn’t exactly >> free. They have to find some mechanism for charging for it, which means,
as long as users refuse to pay, there is no way to force them to accept
it.
The AI stuff somehow alleviates the bloat.
Don't ask me what they
specifically did,
in 24H2, but this mini PC is a full desktop system.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:43:33 -0400, "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <FxkwQ.2643$V139.781@fx13.iad>:
On 9/10/2025 3:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 18:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Until [Microsoft] start forcing [AI] down your throat harder..
That would be interesting, because providing an AI service isn’t exactly >>> free. They have to find some mechanism for charging for it, which means, >>> as long as users refuse to pay, there is no way to force them to accept
it.
The AI stuff somehow alleviates the bloat.
Only in cloud-cuckoo land, weirdo.
Don't ask me what they
specifically did,
Why not? You just said it "alleviates the bloat".
in 24H2, but this mini PC is a full desktop system.
Yeah? And the mini-ITX machine downstairs is a mini-workstation,
for just a bit more than you paid.
_[/root]_(root@buzz)🔴_
# inxi -Cxx
CPU:
Info: 20-core (8-mt/12-st) model: Intel Core i7-14700F bits: 64
type: MST AMCP arch: Raptor Lake rev: 1 cache: L1: 1.8 MiB L2: 28 MiB
L3: 33 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 819 high: 1100 min/max: 800/5300:5400:4200 cores: 1: 800
2: 800 3: 1038 4: 800 5: 800 6: 800 7: 800 8: 800 9: 1100 10: 800 11: 800
12: 800 13: 800 14: 800 15: 800 16: 800 17: 800 18: 800 19: 800 20: 800
21: 800 22: 800 23: 800 24: 800 25: 800 26: 800 27: 800 28: 800
bogomips: 118272
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
_[/root]_(root@buzz)🔴_
# inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA AD104 [GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER] driver: nvidia v: 550.144.03
[...]
On 9/10/2025 4:30 PM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:43:33 -0400, "Joel W. Crump"
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote in <FxkwQ.2643$V139.781@fx13.iad>:
On 9/10/2025 3:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 18:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Until [Microsoft] start forcing [AI] down your throat harder..
That would be interesting, because providing an AI service isn’t
exactly free. They have to find some mechanism for charging for it,
which means, as long as users refuse to pay, there is no way to force
them to accept it.
The AI stuff somehow alleviates the bloat.
Only in cloud-cuckoo land, weirdo.
Look, I haven't cracked the code myself to know precisely what it's
doing, I've observed Process Explorer and the behavior of my low-end
device. Something about Copilot takes away the shittiness of using
Win11, when I last had it.
Don't ask me what they specifically did,
Why not? You just said it "alleviates the bloat".
I said it "somehow" does that, not intending to have analyzed it.
in 24H2, but this mini PC is a full desktop system.
Yeah? And the mini-ITX machine downstairs is a mini-workstation,
for just a bit more than you paid.
_[/root]_(root@buzz)🔴_
# inxi -Cxx CPU:
Info: 20-core (8-mt/12-st) model: Intel Core i7-14700F bits: 64
type: MST AMCP arch: Raptor Lake rev: 1 cache: L1: 1.8 MiB L2: 28
MiB L3: 33 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 819 high: 1100 min/max: 800/5300:5400:4200 cores:
1: 800
2: 800 3: 1038 4: 800 5: 800 6: 800 7: 800 8: 800 9: 1100 10: 800
11: 800 12: 800 13: 800 14: 800 15: 800 16: 800 17: 800 18: 800
19: 800 20: 800 21: 800 22: 800 23: 800 24: 800 25: 800 26: 800
27: 800 28: 800 bogomips: 118272
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
_[/root]_(root@buzz)🔴_
# inxi -G Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA AD104 [GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER] driver: nvidia v:
550.144.03
[...]
That had to cost more than "a bit more" than $200 ...
this mini PC is a full desktop system.
Yeah? And the mini-ITX machine downstairs is a mini-workstation,
for just a bit more than you paid.
_[/root]_(root@buzz)🔴_
# inxi -Cxx CPU:
Info: 20-core (8-mt/12-st) model: Intel Core i7-14700F bits: 64
type: MST AMCP arch: Raptor Lake rev: 1 cache: L1: 1.8 MiB L2: 28
MiB L3: 33 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 819 high: 1100 min/max: 800/5300:5400:4200 cores:
1: 800
2: 800 3: 1038 4: 800 5: 800 6: 800 7: 800 8: 800 9: 1100 10: 800
11: 800 12: 800 13: 800 14: 800 15: 800 16: 800 17: 800 18: 800
19: 800 20: 800 21: 800 22: 800 23: 800 24: 800 25: 800 26: 800
27: 800 28: 800 bogomips: 118272
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
_[/root]_(root@buzz)🔴_
# inxi -G Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA AD104 [GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER] driver: nvidia v:
550.144.03
[...]
That had to cost more than "a bit more" than $200 ...
$200!?
Does that include the cost of monitor, keyboard, mouse, and HOTAS?
I'm not sure, but I don't think you'll be gaming much with
a $200 crapbox, unless you stream it from the cloud ( = more money).
Probably can't run Fooocus either. Tsk, tsk.
Probably can't run Fooocus either. Tsk, tsk.
On 9/10/2025 9:19 PM, vallor wrote:
Probably can't run Fooocus either. Tsk, tsk.
Do you think I spend even an iota of time using an app like that?
Probably can't run Fooocus either. Tsk, tsk.
Do you think I spend even an iota of time using an app like that?
Text-to-Image AI? I thought your beloved Copilot did that for you?
The advantage to Fooocus is it runs on the local machine, instead
of in the cloud...on someone else's computer. You don't have to subscribe
to a service to run as many images as you care to.
On 9/11/2025 4:17 AM, vallor wrote:
Probably can't run Fooocus either. Tsk, tsk.
Do you think I spend even an iota of time using an app like that?
Text-to-Image AI? I thought your beloved Copilot did that for you?
The closest I've come to asking him to do that is when I wanted my image
of text, of my warning about red states and abortion laws from my sig
here, turned back into text, I figured it wasn't an onerous request. I respect AI too much to ask it to do serious work for me.
So if you’re a US college stoont, you can get Mightgrowsoft 365
(personal licence only) free for a year <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/microsoft-offers-a-one-year-free-microsoft-365-subscription-to-college-students-eligible-users-get-50-percent-off-the-monthly-plan-after-the-first-year>.
Or, if you’re a human being whether collegiate or not, you can get LibreOffice full-function Professional Enterprise Unlimited version,
free for a lifetime.
On 2025-09-08 6:58 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So if you’re a US college stoont, you can get Mightgrowsoft 365
(personal licence only) free for a year
<https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/microsoft-
offers-a-one-year-free-microsoft-365-subscription-to-college-students-
eligible-users-get-50-percent-off-the-monthly-plan-after-the-first-year>.
Or, if you’re a human being whether collegiate or not, you can get
LibreOffice full-function Professional Enterprise Unlimited version,
free for a lifetime.
Microsoft knows that giving Office away for a year is sufficient for
people to get addicted to how good it is. Between paying for Microsoft Office or downloading LibreOffice for free, people will still choose to
get Microsoft Office, especially with the promise of 1TB of storage too.
On 9/11/2025 4:28 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-09-08 6:58 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So if you’re a US college stoont, you can get Mightgrowsoft 365
(personal licence only) free for a year
<https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/microsoft-
offers-a-one-year-free-microsoft-365-subscription-to-college-students-
eligible-users-get-50-percent-off-the-monthly-plan-after-the-first-year>. >>>
Or, if you’re a human being whether collegiate or not, you can get
LibreOffice full-function Professional Enterprise Unlimited version,
free for a lifetime.
Microsoft knows that giving Office away for a year is sufficient for
people to get addicted to how good it is. Between paying for Microsoft
Office or downloading LibreOffice for free, people will still choose to
get Microsoft Office, especially with the promise of 1TB of storage too.
I don't see it. Windows is OK as an OS. MS Office for Windows is
crapware, though. The Mac version is good.
On 2025-09-11, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/2025 4:28 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about because most people, actual users, claim the opposite.
Microsoft knows that giving Office away for a year is sufficient for
people to get addicted to how good it is. Between paying for Microsoft
Office or downloading LibreOffice for free, people will still choose to
get Microsoft Office, especially with the promise of 1TB of storage too.
I don't see it. Windows is OK as an OS. MS Office for Windows is
crapware, though. The Mac version is good.
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