But if others find the LO panhandling and begging to be
as irritating as I do then there is a solution:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/howto-disable-libreoffice-donations-banner/63169/6
I started LibreOffice (LO) today and I was greeted with a banner
at the top of the main window that was essentially begging
for a donation ($$$$).
What the fuck is this crap?
I am so sorry, but FOSS is an AMATEUR movement and depends
only upon the "love" of programming for the community.
I started LibreOffice (LO) today and I was greeted with a banner
at the top of the main window that was essentially begging
for a donation ($$$$).
What the fuck is this crap?
I am so sorry, but FOSS is an AMATEUR movement and depends
only upon the "love" of programming for the community. If
a project has to beg for donations then that says a lot about
its true motivations.
I contribute to FOSS both through programming and other means
and I NEVER expect any compensation, monetary or otherwise.
I truly appreciate LO but I also do not NEED LO. If this
donation bullshit continues I just may move to alternatives.
On 9/13/2025 8:57 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
I started LibreOffice (LO) today and I was greeted with a banner at the
top of the main window that was essentially begging for a donation
($$$$).
What the fuck is this crap?
I am so sorry, but FOSS is an AMATEUR movement and depends only upon
the "love" of programming for the community. If a project has to beg
for donations then that says a lot about its true motivations.
I contribute to FOSS both through programming and other means and I
NEVER expect any compensation, monetary or otherwise.
I truly appreciate LO but I also do not NEED LO. If this donation
bullshit continues I just may move to alternatives.
Cheapskate.
On 9/13/2025 8:57 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
I started LibreOffice (LO) today and I was greeted with a banner
at the top of the main window that was essentially begging
for a donation ($$$$).
What the fuck is this crap?
I am so sorry, but FOSS is an AMATEUR movement and depends
only upon the "love" of programming for the community. If
a project has to beg for donations then that says a lot about
its true motivations.
I contribute to FOSS both through programming and other means
and I NEVER expect any compensation, monetary or otherwise.
I truly appreciate LO but I also do not NEED LO. If this
donation bullshit continues I just may move to alternatives.
The point is: a program as well spread as LibreOffice doesn't consist
only a bout programming. For a start, you have to host it. And as
millions of people will download it on a regular base, nobody can host
it at home.
Individual programmers start free and open software
movement, but now it is pure controlled by huge corpos.
You are saying like somebody watching World from the sky! Look at the statistics Linux Kernel v6.1:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
Individual programmers start free and open software
movement, but now it is pure controlled by huge corpos.
Once they contribute the code, they no longer "control" it.
In comp.os.linux.misc Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
Individual programmers start free and open software movement, but now
it is pure controlled by huge corpos.
Once they contribute the code, they no longer "control" it.
Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the code others contribute.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
Individual programmers start free and open software movement, but now
it is pure controlled by huge corpos.
Once they contribute the code, they no longer “control” it.
I started LibreOffice (LO) today and I was greeted with a banner
at the top of the main window that was essentially begging
for a donation ($$$$).
What the fuck is this crap?
I am so sorry, but FOSS is an AMATEUR movement and depends
only upon the "love" of programming for the community. If
a project has to beg for donations then that says a lot about
its true motivations.
I contribute to FOSS both through programming and other means
and I NEVER expect any compensation, monetary or otherwise.
I truly appreciate LO but I also do not NEED LO. If this
donation bullshit continues I just may move to alternatives.
It reminds me of YouTube which once was a vibrant community
for sharing video information but now it has degenerated
into a click-baiting money grab where the majority of posted
material is garbage.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
Individual programmers start free and open software
movement, but now it is pure controlled by huge corpos.
Once they contribute the code, they no longer “control” it.
So your above comment is very stupid. And it seems you have no idea
about good and bad software
The same is true for huge corpos which decide free and open source way
of coding. This is the reason why almost all free and open source
programs break the great "zero conf" design rule ...
This is the reason why many free and open programs are monoliths and
there is no way to extend via simple plugins (note: KDE Krusader).
So your above comment is very stupid.
Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the
code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps"
Surprisingly, it turns out that programmers like to eat.
Yeah, that works fine when you are young, stupid and living in your parents' house. Once you grow up, idealism goes out the window and reality sets in. So working for free no longer seems like such a cool idea.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:12:39 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Surprisingly, it turns out that programmers like to eat.
Yeah, that works fine when you are young, stupid and living in your parents' >> house. Once you grow up, idealism goes out the window and reality sets in. So
working for free no longer seems like such a cool idea.
Non sequitur.
As has been said before:
If Tyrone likes it, then it is garbage.
If Tyrone doesn't like it, then it is very good.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:28:40 +0200, Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
You are saying like somebody watching World from the sky! Look at the
statistics Linux Kernel v6.1:
The kernel does not print a banner message at every boot asking for donations.
LibreOffice is, by default, placing such a message, in the manner
of Micro$hit Winblows, into the face of every user at startup.
Users already know that they can contribute to the projects of their
choice. There is no need to panhandle or beg. If FOSS software intends
to rely only on user donations then they should get out.
Fortunately, as I have shown, this outrageous behavior can be disabled.
At my own expense, I contribute to FOSS and I NEVER expect any compensation of any kind.
On 13 Sep 2025 18:23:31 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
The point is: a program as well spread as LibreOffice doesn't consist
only a bout programming. For a start, you have to host it. And as
millions of people will download it on a regular base, nobody can host
it at home.
Did you ever hear of GitLab?
They offer FREE hosting for FOSS projects:
There is no excuse for begging for money.
All FOSS users know that they have the option to donate.
This is not acceptable.
LO is getting far too bloated and it is becoming more like GNOME and freedosktop.org in its philosophy.
I once had an issue
and after reporting the issue I was told that my
use case was in the minority and would not even be considered!
Also, LO will not build on Gentoo unless GTK+ is compiled with Wayland support, even though Wayland is not actually used.
So LO can go and fuck itself.
There are alternatives.
I will NEVER contribute even a penny to software fascists.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 12:57:24 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
But if others find the LO panhandling and begging to be
as irritating as I do then there is a solution:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/howto-disable-libreoffice-donations-banner/63169/6
Here is much quicker, and hopefully permanent, solution:
https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/134d6g7/how_to_disable_blue_popup_when_launching/
Lawrence DOliveiro pisze:
Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
Individual programmers start free and open software
movement, but now it is pure controlled by huge corpos.
Once they contribute the code, they no longer control it.
(verbose claptrap, snipped)
So your above comment is very stupid.
(further idiocy deleted, mostly unread)--
???
Only documents that require much evolution and editing are
circulated as 'source'.
On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies
contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the
code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps"
Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to Microsoft Office?
If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF.
Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated as 'source'.
Only big companies do that.
In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text source code.
On 2025-09-14 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies
contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the
code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps"
Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to Microsoft
Office?
If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF.
Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated as
'source'.
Only big companies do that.
In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text
source code.
In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email.
The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded
and the servers could barely cope.
The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got
it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It
was crazy.
In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email.
The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded
and the servers could barely cope.
The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got
it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It
was crazy.
On 2025-09-14 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies
contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the
code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps"
Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to
Microsoft Office?
If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF.
Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated
as 'source'.
Only big companies do that.
In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text
source code.
In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email.
The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded
and the servers could barely cope.
The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got
it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It
was crazy.
IT wanted we sent links to shared folders instead. Preaching to the walls.
I got a support call back in the days when a 64k link was a very
expensive thing...the customer wanted to know why all his emails had ceased.
A look in the log files revealed a 25Mbyte email entitled 'My New Baby'
with an attached video file still in the process of being transferred.,
The customer didn't even need to be told who had sent it.
On Sep 14, 2025 at 8:13:38 PM EDT, ""Carlos E.R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-09-14 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/09/2025 23:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Look at the last table which is supposed to indicate the companies
contributing to maintenance - which is effectively control over the
code others contribute. It's still mainly "huge corps"
Who else is interested in an alternative and free standard to Microsoft
Office?
If you want to disseminate a finished document, you do it as a PDF.
Only documents that require much evolution and editing are circulated as >>> 'source'.
Only big companies do that.
In terms of formatted documents anyway. Let's not introduce plain text
source code.
In the 2000 we were sharing .doc files at Lucent, via exchange email.
The IT people did not like it, because the size of mail folders exploded
and the servers could barely cope.
The docs were sent to multiple recipients. And each reply saying "got
it" resent the same documents back and forth multiplied many times. It
was crazy.
Yeah that happens when you Reply To All AND keep the attachments in the Reply To All. Just reply To Sender and delete the attachments. What is REALLY funny
is the people who plead "Stop replying to All" and their plea was - you guessed it - sent to All.
Not to mention that Exchange servers - like everything else - have come a long
way in 25 years.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I got a support call back in the days when a 64k link was a very
expensive thing...the customer wanted to know why all his emails had ceased. >>
A look in the log files revealed a 25Mbyte email entitled 'My New Baby'
with an attached video file still in the process of being transferred.,
The customer didn't even need to be told who had sent it.
I remember a breakdown in an ISP mail server because some customer has
sent themselve the backup of their workstation.
In the early days of e-mail malware scanners, checking for things like
"no space left on device" was considered luxury ("we need to be on the market, ship it!"), so the e-mail scanner crashed, the incoming e-mail
got a 4xx error, and the sending server retried.
I was still green behind my ears back then, so it took me a while to
diagnose the repeated crashes.
| Sysop: | DaiTengu |
|---|---|
| Location: | Appleton, WI |
| Users: | 1,070 |
| Nodes: | 10 (0 / 10) |
| Uptime: | 158:53:41 |
| Calls: | 13,734 |
| Calls today: | 2 |
| Files: | 186,966 |
| D/L today: |
811 files (293M bytes) |
| Messages: | 2,418,681 |