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Hello!

Today (2025-09-14, sun.) I wrote in Polish my "18. Raport Totaliztyczny
- Dlaczego Używam Kubuntu a Nie Gentoo Linuks?" this title in raw
translation mean: "18. Totaliztic Report - Why I use Kubutnu instead
Gentoo Linux?". This report, also today, I published on my WWW site:

<https://energokod.pl/raporty-totaliztyczne/18.%20Dlaczego%20U%C5%BCywam%20Kubuntu%20a%20Nie%20Gentoo%20Linuks.pdf>

And it can be downloaded entirely for free (as free beer). For English
readers I translate (using AI, with my corrections of the final text)
the summary of this report in order to give you advice what you can tell
to our dear friend "Farley Flud <ff@linux.rokks>" about "advantages" of
using Gentoo Linux distro. This translated to English report summary I published exclusively on the Usenet groups.

7 Summary

7.1 Revelations, advantages, disadvantages and fuck ups in the Gentoo
Linux project

7.1.1 Revelations:
1. Complete control over the operating system thanks to the Flag Use mechanism;
2. Latest packages;
3. Binary packages (originally there were no binary packages in Gentoo
Linux, which is a distribution based on source packages, i.e. requiring compilation before installation).

7.1.2 Advantages:
1. Despite the shortcomings in the "Gentoo Handbook" textbook, this
system can be installed and running;
2. From "Gentoo Handbook" I learned that in each Linux operating system
there should be environmental variables with compilation flags: CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, MAKEOPTS (in Kubuntu it is a variable MAKE), DMDFLAGS and
RUSTFLAGS. After returning to Kubuntu, I set them in a $ Home/.profile
file. For me, these flags are useful to the compilation of my own
programs, which of course I compile from sources.

7.1.3 Disadvantages:
1. No digital signatures of binary packages.

7.1.4 Fuck ups:
1. Continuous distribution. Causes that you still need to adapt your own program and scripts to changes in the operating system;
2. It is not known how to get sound in unprivileged (user space) programs;
3. VLC package broken for years;
4. Limited use of binary packages mechanism;
5. Malicious configuration of binary packages (e.g. they require adding
to the USE Flag QML or telemetry);
6. Lack of the central list of Flag Use: it causes that you can not
simply configure everything right away, but as you want to install new packages;
7. There are many USE flags for individual packages. In my opinion, this
is contrary to the USE flag concept. It seems to me that USE flags
should be divided into system (global) and program (i.e. those
characteristic of a given program). Now they are completely mixed (at
least they were mixed in my /etc/portage/make.conf file);
8. Distro Gentoo Linux carers do not reveal what the costs of
maintaining this project are, and thus users do not know how much they
should pay in their donations for using this operational system. Sadly
the same is true for Kubutnu distro provided by Canonical Corpo.

7.2 Applications
I installed Gentoo Linux due to strong agitation on the group comp.os.linux.advocacy led by "Farley Flud <ff@linux.rokks>". However, I
was not able to achieve such the functionality of this operating system
as in the case of Kubuntu 20.04. In addition, many hours of compilations
is in fact backwardness because the user is working with Gentoo Linux
more slowly, instead of faster and faster. The decisive factor for me
was the lack of a way to start the sound in utility programs, and the
VLC package broken for years. Unable to accept this, I returned to the
Kubuntu 20.04 operating system and only now I appreciate how fast,
comfortable and useful it is.

7.3 Is the problem organizational or individual?
Pathologies in the Gentoo Linux project are organizational.

7.4 Is the problem durable or temporary?
There have been problems for years.

7.5 Future predictions
Nothing will change in the Gentoo Linux project. It will exist as long
as bankers will finance it.

7.6 Recommendations for now
For users of the Linux operating system: My conclusions are that the
best are Linux distro are that based on releases (and not continuous
like Gentoo Linux) in LTS version (in English Long-Term support). This
is obviously due to the fact that in such a Distro my programs and
scripts work for many years without the need to adapt them to the new
version of the operating system. Distro appearing in the LTS version is
e.g. Ubuntu or Kubuntu. I have been using Kubuntu on 20.04 for years and
I can say that, contrary to the propaganda, "Farley Flud
<ff@linux.rocks>" I am not a fierce clicker or admirer of rounded
corners of the windows - I create my own programs and scripts, including scripts with which I configure the entire operating system after
installation. In fact, I think that before "Farley Flud
<ff@linux.rokks>" installs the program he needs, I will be after work
and after dinner, at the dessert. This is what it looks like today, 2025-09-14, sun.

7.7 Recommendations for the future
For Distro Linux Gento maintainers: Without getting along with the
founder of this distro, Daniel Robbins, you don't have a chance to get
aware of and go straight. This is the result of your smart takeover of
this project, instead of a desire to discuss factual, i.e. for honest
and impartial resolution of technical disputes regarding the future of
this distro. In short, if you do not fix the evil that you have done to
Mr. Daniel Robbins, you will not achieve anything more and you will
continue to boat in your head as it is now. Because a hostile
acquisition is a violation of moral rights (brotherhood and honesty
mentioned above), and they have priority over all other laws.

For users of the Linux operating system: reading https://distrowatch.com should be enough to know what appears new in Linux distributions. Note:
Don't forget to give them a few dollars from time to time for these publications! Because there are very few good info sources on Linux topics.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:59:54 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

7.7 Recommendations for the future For Distro Linux Gento maintainers: Without getting along with the founder of this distro, Daniel Robbins,
you don't have a chance to get aware of and go straight.

You are aware that the creator of Gentoo is an actual mentally handicapped individual, correct? That, in and of itself, explains just about anything anyone needs to know about Gentoo.

When Gentoo first debuted, Robbins advertised it as the *Linux For the Retarded!* as a funny way to try to make everyone gain interest in the OS.

This:

https://i.imgur.com/J8iNycd.jpeg

was the headline on their website just a month or so ago.

This:

https://imgur.com/ocO3IVH

picture of him used to be on his Wiki page but they removed it fairly
recently for some reason.


I say all of that to say this:

Don't be surprised when retarded things happen in Gentoo because it was designed for retards and created by one. That is kind of what they are
known for in Linux circles.


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W dniu 14.09.2025 o 21:59, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:

7. There are many USE flags for individual packages. In my opinion, this
is contrary to the USE flag concept. It seems to me that USE flags
should be divided into system (global) and program (i.e. those characteristic of a given program). Now they are completely mixed (at
least they were mixed in my /etc/portage/make.conf file);

This is not true. There is apparently complete USE flag list under URL:

<https://www.gentoo.org/support/use-flags>

They are divided as "global" - mean system, and as "local" - for given program, lib, or script app.

But until now, I was complete unaware about existence this crucial for
Gentoo users WWW site, because Gentoo Handbook doesn't mention even
single word about it!
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:45:20 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But until now, I was complete unaware about existence this crucial for
Gentoo users WWW site, because Gentoo Handbook doesn't mention even
single word about it!

Why do you think that is? I'll tell you. It's because the whole project
is operated and maintained by people with equal or less intelligence as Farley.

You took the advice of a well-known mentally handicapped COLA KoOk and installed Gentoo to give it a spin. I mean, really, what did you expect to happen?

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On 9/14/2025 7:27 PM, CtrlAltDel wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:59:54 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

7.7 Recommendations for the future For Distro Linux Gento maintainers:
Without getting along with the founder of this distro, Daniel Robbins,
you don't have a chance to get aware of and go straight.

You are aware that the creator of Gentoo is an actual mentally handicapped individual, correct? That, in and of itself, explains just about anything anyone needs to know about Gentoo.

When Gentoo first debuted, Robbins advertised it as the *Linux For the Retarded!* as a funny way to try to make everyone gain interest in the OS.

This:

https://i.imgur.com/J8iNycd.jpeg

was the headline on their website just a month or so ago.

ROFL!
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On Sep 14, 2025 at 8:01:38 PM EDT, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@AL.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:45:20 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But until now, I was complete unaware about existence this crucial for
Gentoo users WWW site, because Gentoo Handbook doesn't mention even
single word about it!

Why do you think that is? I'll tell you. It's because the whole project
is operated and maintained by people with equal or less intelligence as Farley.

Less intelligence than Farley Fucktard? Is that even possible?

You took the advice of a well-known mentally handicapped COLA KoOk and installed Gentoo to give it a spin. I mean, really, what did you expect to happen?

The fact that Gentoo was by and for retards certainly explains everything.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 00:39:21 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

The fact that Gentoo was by and for retards certainly explains
everything.

😆️ It's crazy. Gentoo has always attracted retards, and not even the good retards who can halfway function in society. Normal retards know enough to understand that Gentoo is only for the lower class of retards that most
other retards wouldn't dare associate with.

Gentoo mostly attracts,for whatever reason, the violent, sexually deviant, morally bankrupt, socially inept, crusty, creepy, chronic halitosis
plagued, greasy headed, skeezy, inept, and likely physically malformed in
one fashion or another retards. The real bottom of the barrel.
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On Sep 14, 2025 at 8:52:40 PM EDT, "CtrlAltDel" <Altie@AL.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 00:39:21 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

The fact that Gentoo was by and for retards certainly explains
everything.

😆️ It's crazy. Gentoo has always attracted retards, and not even the good
retards who can halfway function in society. Normal retards know enough to understand that Gentoo is only for the lower class of retards that most
other retards wouldn't dare associate with.

Gentoo mostly attracts,for whatever reason, the violent, sexually deviant, morally bankrupt, socially inept, crusty, creepy, chronic halitosis
plagued, greasy headed, skeezy, inept, and likely physically malformed in
one fashion or another retards. The real bottom of the barrel.

IOW, Farley Fucktard. Who BTW is All Of The Above, plus "Runs a bare motherboard and bare, spinning hard drives on a shelf. With wires everywhere.
None of it is in a case."

Because - to a fucktard - that makes perfect sense.
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W dniu 15.09.2025 o 01:27, CtrlAltDel pisze:

You are aware that the creator of Gentoo is an actual mentally handicapped individual, correct?

Give me proof of this! I read carefully wiki article:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Robbins_(computer_programmer)>

and am amazed with his carer! He even worked in Micro$lop corpo! And on
the above wiki article is no mention about his medical or intellectual problems. So how you can write something I quote above?!?
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??Jacek Marcin Jaworski?? <jaworski1978@adres.pl> wrote:

For users of the Linux operating system: reading https://distrowatch.com >should be enough to know what appears new in Linux distributions. Note: >Don't forget to give them a few dollars from time to time for these >publications! Because there are very few good info sources on Linux topics.

Just don't believe their distro ranking. That has been bollocks for
decades.

Greetings
Marc
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??Jacek Marcin Jaworski?? <jaworski1978@adres.pl> wrote:

and am amazed with his carer! He even worked in Micro$lop corpo!

Microsoft is one of the biggest contributors to Linux.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:59:54 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

7.1.4 Fuck ups:

I am sorry to learn of your bad experiences with Gentoo.

All that I can say in defense of Gentoo is that it is not
really intended for those without a deep background in digital
technology and software engineering. The Gentoo developers
try to make it "friendly" but despite of that it still tends
to repel the technically unprepared

The Gentoo Handbook requires a LOT of study and dedication
but a computer OS is not a simple thing and the more one knows
the more one is able to exert control -- and that is the whole
point of Gentoo -- the user and not the distro should be in control.

I have a graduate-level education in digital engineering and computer
science. My first language was Assembly. Because of this I can
adapt to Gentoo like a duck can adapt to water. But I can also
understand the discomfort of those without a similar background.

1. Continuous distribution. Causes that you still need to adapt your own program and scripts to changes in the operating system;

I don't understand this. What kind of scripts? What kind of changes
to the OS? Do you mean a change in linked libraries.

Gentoo is not a single distro. There are as many different Gentoo distros
as there are Gentoo users.

2. It is not known how to get sound in unprivileged (user space) programs;

Are you using Pulseaudio or something similar? My recommendation would be
to just use Alsa.

There is never a problem with Alsa due to its fundamental simplicity.

3. VLC package broken for years;

Don't use VLC. It is a bloated pile of junk that tries to be everying
to everyone and that is always a recipe for diasaster

4. Limited use of binary packages mechanism;
5. Malicious configuration of binary packages (e.g. they require adding
to the USE Flag QML or telemetry);

Although Gentoo has brought back binary packages, it is not actually
a binary distro. All software should be built.

6. Lack of the central list of Flag Use: it causes that you can not
simply configure everything right away, but as you want to install new packages;
7. There are many USE flags for individual packages. In my opinion, this
is contrary to the USE flag concept. It seems to me that USE flags
should be divided into system (global) and program (i.e. those characteristic of a given program). Now they are completely mixed (at
least they were mixed in my /etc/portage/make.conf file);

Global USE flags, that apply to all software, are defined in make.conf.

Package USE flags, that will apply only to a single package or groups
of packages, are defined in package.use.

It is a very flexible system, but it does require a lot of work to
configure.

No pain, no gain.

Considering that the GNU/Linux software universe is a chatic mess, with
some packages using configure-make, others using cmake, yet others using
meson, etc., etc., it is nothing short of remarkable that Gentoo Portage
works so well. The Gentoo developers deserve high praise for that accomplishment. That's likey why Google has adopted Gentoo Portage
for its package management:

<https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/packages/portage/>

But such flexibility comes at the cost of complexity, and the successful
Gentoo user must master that complexity.

In fact, I think that before "Farley Flud
<ff@linux.rokks>" installs the program he needs, I will be after work
and after dinner, at the dessert.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

You should maybe adopt the practice of working while you eat dinner and dessert.
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W dniu 15.09.2025 o 13:20, Farley Flud pisze:

All that I can say in defense of Gentoo is that it is not
really intended for those without a deep background in digital
technology and software engineering. The Gentoo developers
try to make it "friendly" but despite of that it still tends
to repel the technically unprepared

Recall my private message: I finished Electronics High School, and I
pass all exams after 3y. study (sadly without engineer diploma) of
Computer Science on Technical University in Gdańsk. How ever I do my
best in these schools, I admit these courses were piece of crap at the
time (this sentence breaks parasitans obligation to "Promise make only positive talks about school." required by every polish school and
university at the beginning of first year of each learning course).

W dniu 15.09.2025 o 13:20, Farley Flud pisze:

1. Continuous distribution. Causes that you still need to adapt your own
program and scripts to changes in the operating system;

I don't understand this. What kind of scripts? What kind of changes
to the OS? Do you mean a change in linked libraries.

I have good example what I mean in your quote: I try to compile, under
fresh Gentoo Linux, my C++ libs and programs that use Qt5. But Gentoo
Linux maintainers remove package Qt5WebEngine. So in order to compile my
libs and progs I must decide:
1. Drop Qt5WebEngine form my libs and progs;
2. Update my code to the newest Qt6.

This is real example. This happen on the very beginning of config Gentoo
Linux after all desired system provided packages. I do not even try to
run any other of my, well over 100, Bash scripts.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 15:16:02 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

I don't understand this. What kind of scripts? What kind of changes
to the OS? Do you mean a change in linked libraries.

I have good example what I mean in your quote: I try to compile, under
fresh Gentoo Linux, my C++ libs and programs that use Qt5. But Gentoo
Linux maintainers remove package Qt5WebEngine. So in order to compile my libs and progs I must decide:
1. Drop Qt5WebEngine form my libs and progs;
2. Update my code to the newest Qt6.

Qt5 was deprecated way back in 2020-12-08. All distros, including Gentoo,
are phasing it out in favor of Qt6. It would be best to update to Qt6.
Most software will use Qt6 without the need to rebuild. There are some programs
that still require Qt5 but this dependency can be satisfied with Qt5Compat which
is part of Qt6.

But QtWebEngine, is, I believe, peculiar to KDE. I don't use KDE and I have never seen QtWebEngine.

I always avoid desktops. Their extreme bloat will always cause problems.
With Gentoo it is best to go minimalistic.

I do not even try to
run any other of my, well over 100, Bash scripts.

Why not? Bash does not depend on any GUI.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 14:04:48 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 15:16:02 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

1. Drop Qt5WebEngine form my libs and progs;
2. Update my code to the newest Qt6.

Here is the Gentoo announcement:

<https://bugs.gentoo.org/948836>

These things will affect a rolling/source distro like Gentoo
much more than other static distros.

The Gentoo user must always do his homework. Portage can work
magic most of the time but due to the complex, tangled web of GNU/Linux software it can't always succeed.

A similar problem is seen with Python, which is being contantly updated
and newer versions frequently released. Gentoo has to keep up and once
in a while an old Python version will be deprecated and replaced by a newer verion.
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