• US Consumer Reports asks Microsoft to keep supporting Windows 10

    From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy on Wed Sep 17 22:55:43 2025
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    <https://www.theverge.com/news/779079/consumer-reports-windows-10-extended-support-microsoft>:

    ... the move will “strand millions of consumers” who have machines
    incompatible with Windows 11.

    But we already know this.

    In the letter, Consumer Reports calls Microsoft “hypocritical” for
    urging customers to upgrade to Windows 11 to bolster
    cybersecurity, but then leaving Windows 10 devices susceptible to
    cyberattacks.

    We know that too. But then Microsoft isn’t a charity, is it? As far as
    it is concerned, the cost of security failures on obsolete,
    unsupported platforms is an “externality” -- something paid by someone else. If a cost doesn’t appear on its own accounting balance sheet, it
    might as well not exist.

    Why support a company whose interests do not align with those of its
    customers? It’s your choice.
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  • From Joel W. Crump@joelcrump@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy on Wed Sep 17 19:35:08 2025
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    On 9/17/2025 6:55 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

    <https://www.theverge.com/news/779079/consumer-reports-windows-10-extended-support-microsoft>:

    ... the move will “strand millions of consumers” who have machines
    incompatible with Windows 11.

    But we already know this.

    In the letter, Consumer Reports calls Microsoft “hypocritical” for
    urging customers to upgrade to Windows 11 to bolster
    cybersecurity, but then leaving Windows 10 devices susceptible to
    cyberattacks.

    We know that too. But then Microsoft isn’t a charity, is it? As far as
    it is concerned, the cost of security failures on obsolete,
    unsupported platforms is an “externality” -- something paid by someone else. If a cost doesn’t appear on its own accounting balance sheet, it might as well not exist.

    Why support a company whose interests do not align with those of its customers? It’s your choice.


    People whose computers can't upgrade to 11 should pay for the extra time
    of support of 10, or switch to Linux.
    --
    Joel W. Crump
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  • From Tyrone@none@none.none to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy on Thu Sep 18 00:20:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Sep 17, 2025 at 6:55:43 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    <https://www.theverge.com/news/779079/consumer-reports-windows-10-extended-support-microsoft>:

    ... the move will “strand millions of consumers” who have machines
    incompatible with Windows 11.

    This is an absurd lie.

    I keep reading "400 million PCs can't upgrade to Windows 11".

    The fact is, 400 million computers are being arbitrarily prevented from
    running Windows 11. I guarantee that around 390 million CAN in fact run
    Windows 11. It is a very simple process to install Windows 11 on "unsupported hardware". I have done it many times.

    Microsoft needs to come clean about this. They need to officially endorse the
    2 simple settings that allow Windows 11 to be installed. That being, disable the checks for TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot. Neither are needed to actually RUN Windows 11. They are only checked for during the standard install.

    There are now several methods to do this. I used the Rufus utility, which disables these checks (and optionally several others) and creates a bootable USB stick from the standard Windows 11 ISO.

    I have installed Windows 11 on 11 year old hardware. Gen 4 Intel i7 (4 cores,
    8 threads), with 16GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. The SSD was added a few years ago. That is PLENTY of hardware to run Windows 11. It runs fine and gets updates.

    The only PC I could not install 11 on is a 16 year old desktop tower. It came with Vista, that's how old it is. It has a Core 2 Quad CPU, 8 GB RAM and
    SSDs. The install failed due to Windows 11 using 2 CPU instructions that this CPU does not have.

    But it runs Windows 10 just fine. It is basically just a server now anyway, so will be fine for my uses.
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