On 2025-12-15 6:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-12-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-13 12:28 a.m., vallor wrote:
Changelog:
https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.18.1
I have it running with NVIDIA 580.105.08 with my trivial patch.
The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-590.44.01.run (beta)
...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.
The window that has focus will blink in- and out-of-existence
intermittently. Report filed:
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/924?u=scott-nv
In other words, using Linux demands continuous compromises.
Fortunately I don't use anything with a Nvidia GPU. No compromises for me.
That does seem to be what's at the heart of the matter, admittedly. Most machines being sold with a discrete GPU have one made by NVIDIA though. People don't have a choice but to actively search for one with an AMD
chip if they intend to use Linux. The experience is acceptable with
NVIDIA, but it does come with what seem like never-ending setbacks.
On 2025-12-15 6:19 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-12-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-13 9:53 a.m., vallor wrote:
At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:26:51 +0000, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote: >>>>
At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 13:36:23 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote: >>>>>
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 05:28:36 +0000, vallor wrote:
The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)
...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.
Funny. I am using 6.18.1 with Nvidia-580.119.02 and
I experience zero problems. Everything runs fine and
dandy.
But I am not using the open-source code. You should specify
in your report if it applies to the proprietary or open-source
code.
It's in the nvidia-bug-report.gz, but I didn't say it outright:
I tried the MIT/GPL code, didn't try the proprietary.
Just tested the proprietary branch for
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run
...which I fully expected to work, but it doesn't. Reverted
to the stable (for me) driver.
Linux just works!
For me it does. Works much better than Windows 11, which "just works" at
spying on you, pushing ads into your face and forcing you to login to
Microsoft if you want to use "their" computer. And have they turned off the >> continual screen grabs yet?
Windows... definitely not something I'll ever use again.
I've tried to avoid using it for decades. However, the reality back in
2025 is the same as it was in 2000: it'll work, as long as you don't
mind making significant sacrifices. I was 100% into using this year when
I found out that the one game I play the most, Civilization, was going
to have a native Vulkan build in Linux. It works... until you've been playing it for an hour or two when the framerate drops to about 5FPS and
the GPU utilization jumps to 100%. It doesn't matter whether you use X11
or XWayland, Cinnamon or KDE... it just keeps happening. Meanwhile,
there is no such problem in Linux even after a marathon session. It's
yet another compromise in a long series of compromises.
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 11:15:33 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I'm using 5.15.x on this computer (Linux Mint 21.3). What am I missing?
Nothing, if it works. I installed 22.2 with 6.14.0 yesterday. It works.
The Endeavour laptop is 6.17.9. It works too.
I've got a second SSD on this computer running Linux Mint 22.2 (I
believe). They've changed the Menu setup on 22.3 — it's busier and
uglier — so I won't be moving to that version until I have to.
On 2025-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-15 6:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-12-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:That does seem to be what's at the heart of the matter, admittedly. Most
On 2025-12-13 12:28 a.m., vallor wrote:
Changelog:
https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.18.1
I have it running with NVIDIA 580.105.08 with my trivial patch.
The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-590.44.01.run (beta)
...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.
The window that has focus will blink in- and out-of-existence
intermittently. Report filed:
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/924?u=scott-nv
In other words, using Linux demands continuous compromises.
Fortunately I don't use anything with a Nvidia GPU. No compromises for me. >>
machines being sold with a discrete GPU have one made by NVIDIA though.
People don't have a choice but to actively search for one with an AMD
chip if they intend to use Linux. The experience is acceptable with
NVIDIA, but it does come with what seem like never-ending setbacks.
I read about Nvidia issues a lot. I'm not a big fan of Nvidia anyhow. It seems like their big scam now is AI crap.
On 2025-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-15 6:19 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-12-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-13 9:53 a.m., vallor wrote:
At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:26:51 +0000, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote: >>>>>
At Sat, 13 Dec 2025 13:36:23 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote: >>>>>>
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 05:28:36 +0000, vallor wrote:
The new drivers...
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run (release)
...do NOT work with my system, which uses X11.
Funny. I am using 6.18.1 with Nvidia-580.119.02 and
I experience zero problems. Everything runs fine and
dandy.
But I am not using the open-source code. You should specify
in your report if it applies to the proprietary or open-source
code.
It's in the nvidia-bug-report.gz, but I didn't say it outright:
I tried the MIT/GPL code, didn't try the proprietary.
Just tested the proprietary branch for
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-580.119.02.run
...which I fully expected to work, but it doesn't. Reverted
to the stable (for me) driver.
Linux just works!
For me it does. Works much better than Windows 11, which "just works" at >>> spying on you, pushing ads into your face and forcing you to login to
Microsoft if you want to use "their" computer. And have they turned off the >>> continual screen grabs yet?
Windows... definitely not something I'll ever use again.
I've tried to avoid using it for decades. However, the reality back in
2025 is the same as it was in 2000: it'll work, as long as you don't
mind making significant sacrifices. I was 100% into using this year when
I found out that the one game I play the most, Civilization, was going
to have a native Vulkan build in Linux. It works... until you've been
playing it for an hour or two when the framerate drops to about 5FPS and
the GPU utilization jumps to 100%. It doesn't matter whether you use X11
or XWayland, Cinnamon or KDE... it just keeps happening. Meanwhile,
there is no such problem in Linux even after a marathon session. It's
yet another compromise in a long series of compromises.
Sorry about that. Games something I have almost zero experience with. At my age that's not going to change.
Some people say Linux is great for games now. Others say it doesn't work at all. I have no personal experience with it, so I usually just ignore the "game" threads when it comes to Linux.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:12:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I've got a second SSD on this computer running Linux Mint 22.2 (I
believe). They've changed the Menu setup on 22.3 — it's busier and
uglier — so I won't be moving to that version until I have to.
https://linuxmint.com/download_all.php
I don't see a 22.3. Do you have some secret preview? I see them talking a beta release of 22.3 (Zena)
I wanted to see if the Menu could be customized to look more like the
old Menu so I downloaded it and tried it. It can be customized, but it's still as not as good (in my opinion). Still too "busy." I think people
are already working on an add-on to get the old look back.
On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 07:39:28 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I wanted to see if the Menu could be customized to look more like the
old Menu so I downloaded it and tried it. It can be customized, but it's
still as not as good (in my opinion). Still too "busy." I think people
are already working on an add-on to get the old look back.
I'll let you pioneer. I didn't spend much time with Cinnamon before installing i3. dmenu works for me but you have to know what you're
looking for. No pretty pictures.
I don't like the concept of "tiling." That seems to be the first feature
they mention. (I think you brought up i3 before and I admitted it would probably be good for a programmer, but not something I would want to
use.)
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