Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data. They
are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically purging old,
stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. Yet here we are,
with any number of articles advising you how to manually clear your
Windows cache, because if you let it accumulate, it will lead to worse instead of better performance, needless consumption of storage space,
and also deterioration of system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that reliable to begin with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a basic
Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/> <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/> <https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
modern operating system like Microsoft's.
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data. They
are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically purging old,
stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. Yet here we are,
with any number of articles advising you how to manually clear your
Windows cache, because if you let it accumulate, it will lead to worse instead of better performance, needless consumption of storage space,
and also deterioration of system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that reliable to begin with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a basic
Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/> <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/> <https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed for co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking itself
(fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such things still
happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like Microsoft's.
W dniu 22.12.2025 o 19:56, CrudeSausage pisze:
modern operating system like Microsoft's.
To be honest it is not modern at all.
At Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:56:38 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data. They
are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically purging old,
stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. Yet here we are,
with any number of articles advising you how to manually clear your
Windows cache, because if you let it accumulate, it will lead to worse
instead of better performance, needless consumption of storage space,
and also deterioration of system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that
reliable to begin with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a basic
Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/> >>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed for
co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking itself
(fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such things still
happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like Microsoft's.
I agree with you.
I don't agree with your clock, though... ;)
At Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:56:38 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data. They
are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically purging old,
stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. Yet here we are,
with any number of articles advising you how to manually clear your
Windows cache, because if you let it accumulate, it will lead to worse
instead of better performance, needless consumption of storage space,
and also deterioration of system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that
reliable to begin with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a basic
Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/> >> > <https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed for
co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking itself
(fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such things still
happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like Microsoft's.
I agree with you.
I don't agree with your clock, though... ;)
On 2025-12-22, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
At Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:56:38 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data. They
are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically purging old,
stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. Yet here we are, >>>> with any number of articles advising you how to manually clear your
Windows cache, because if you let it accumulate, it will lead to worse >>>> instead of better performance, needless consumption of storage space,
and also deterioration of system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that
reliable to begin with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a basic >>>> Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/> >>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed for
co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking itself
(fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such things still
happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like Microsoft's.
I agree with you.
Same.
To be fair though IMHO some of the more severe breakage occurs because users screw around with things based upon idiocy they dig up on the web.
Registry entries are a classic one.
MS updates expect certain things to be in certain places and when they are not
due to a user changing things in the OS, sometimes the update process is unable
to deal with this properly.
Why MS just doesn't stop the update, post a message saying something like "X is not in Y place" do you want to continue?
is beyond me.
In my experience the users who have the least issues with Windows are the ones
who update regularly and don't screw with things under the covers.
On 2025-12-22 10:25 a.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:56:38 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data. They
are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically purging old,
stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. Yet here we are, >>>> with any number of articles advising you how to manually clear your
Windows cache, because if you let it accumulate, it will lead to worse >>>> instead of better performance, needless consumption of storage space,
and also deterioration of system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that
reliable to begin with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a basic >>>> Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/> >>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed for
co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking itself
(fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such things still
happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like Microsoft's.
I agree with you.
I don't agree with your clock, though... ;)
You shouldn't. I went into a Linux environment for a moment to transfer files from a hard disk connected to an HDHomeRun device (a
network-connected device which enables one to share an over-the-air
signal throughout the house). Since the HD is formatted as XFS, I had to
use a Linux Mint test environment to edtract the files and bring them
over to another portable hard disk. Unfortunately, the Linux Mint USB
key always uses the GMT time zone and then screws up the time when I
return to Windows.
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 18:26 this Monday (GMT):
On 2025-12-22 10:25 a.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:56:38 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
wrote:
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data.
They are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically
purging old, stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while.
Yet here we are, with any number of articles advising you how to
manually clear your Windows cache, because if you let it
accumulate, it will lead to worse instead of better performance,
needless consumption of storage space, and also deterioration of
system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that reliable to begin
with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a
basic Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to
work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed
for co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking
itself (fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such
things still happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like
Microsoft's.
I agree with you.
I don't agree with your clock, though... ;)
You shouldn't. I went into a Linux environment for a moment to
transfer files from a hard disk connected to an HDHomeRun device (a network-connected device which enables one to share an over-the-air
signal throughout the house). Since the HD is formatted as XFS, I
had to use a Linux Mint test environment to edtract the files and
bring them over to another portable hard disk. Unfortunately, the
Linux Mint USB key always uses the GMT time zone and then screws up
the time when I return to Windows.
Actually, I believe Linux will /always/ set the internal clock to the
UTC time, regardless of how the timezone is set. Windows, on the other
hand, assumes its the local time and offsets accordingly. Of course,
loading into Linux from Windows doesn't screw up the time...
Had a chat with my friend, a Linux instructor at the local
college,
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 15:42:12 +0000, vallor wrote:
Had a chat with my friend, a Linux instructor at the local
college,
A (GNU/)Linux instructor? What brand of GNU/Linux does he
instruct? RedHat Linux? Ubuntu Linux? Certainly it is
some form of Systemd/Wayland Linux which is not GNU/Linux
but only a particular configuration of GNU/Linux. His college
should terminate that incompetent phony.
At Wed, 24 Dec 2025 16:09:50 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 15:42:12 +0000, vallor wrote:
Had a chat with my friend, a Linux instructor at the local
college,
A (GNU/)Linux instructor? What brand of GNU/Linux does he
instruct? RedHat Linux? Ubuntu Linux? Certainly it is
some form of Systemd/Wayland Linux which is not GNU/Linux
but only a particular configuration of GNU/Linux. His college
should terminate that incompetent phony.
Um...what?
(The gist of your rant is that you are jealous about...something?)
(The gist of your rant is that you are jealous about...something?)
On 12/24/25 11:44 AM, vallor wrote:
At Wed, 24 Dec 2025 16:09:50 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 15:42:12 +0000, vallor wrote:
Had a chat with my friend, a Linux instructor at the local
college,
A (GNU/)Linux instructor? What brand of GNU/Linux does he
instruct? RedHat Linux? Ubuntu Linux? Certainly it is
some form of Systemd/Wayland Linux which is not GNU/Linux
but only a particular configuration of GNU/Linux. His college
should terminate that incompetent phony.
Um...what?
(The gist of your rant is that you are jealous about...something?)
Larry is so obsessed with purity in his system that he forgoes
components that would make it competitive with Windows. It's why
there's nothing so bad about distros. But he insists that his way is
not only better but right, when it's neither.
At Wed, 24 Dec 2025 11:54:38 -0500, "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/24/25 11:44 AM, vallor wrote:
At Wed, 24 Dec 2025 16:09:50 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote: >>>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 15:42:12 +0000, vallor wrote:
Had a chat with my friend, a Linux instructor at the local
college,
A (GNU/)Linux instructor? What brand of GNU/Linux does he
instruct? RedHat Linux? Ubuntu Linux? Certainly it is
some form of Systemd/Wayland Linux which is not GNU/Linux
but only a particular configuration of GNU/Linux. His college
should terminate that incompetent phony.
Um...what?
(The gist of your rant is that you are jealous about...something?)
Larry is so obsessed with purity in his system that he forgoes
components that would make it competitive with Windows. It's why
there's nothing so bad about distros. But he insists that his way is
not only better but right, when it's neither.
Uh, thanks for the clarification...
There's a fine line between genius and insanity. Larry crosses
the line and thinks he's scored a "touchdown".
So...yay?
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 16:44:39 +0000, vallor wrote:
(The gist of your rant is that you are jealous about...something?)
No.
In general, no GNU/Linux certification is possible.
At Wed, 24 Dec 2025 16:09:50 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 15:42:12 +0000, vallor wrote:
Had a chat with my friend, a Linux instructor at the local
college,
A (GNU/)Linux instructor? What brand of GNU/Linux does he
instruct? RedHat Linux? Ubuntu Linux? Certainly it is
some form of Systemd/Wayland Linux which is not GNU/Linux
but only a particular configuration of GNU/Linux. His college
should terminate that incompetent phony.
Um...what?
(The gist of your rant is that you are jealous about...something?)
basic maintenance, installing and configuring
workstations, and networking. Earning this certification demonstrates a thorough understanding of system architecture,
Actually, I believe Linux will /always/ set the internal clock to
the UTC time, regardless of how the timezone is set. Windows, on the
other hand, assumes its the local time and offsets accordingly. Of
course, loading into Linux from Windows doesn't screw up the time...
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 18:26 this Monday (GMT):
On 2025-12-22 10:25 a.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:56:38 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data. They >>>>> are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically purging old,
stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. Yet here we are, >>>>> with any number of articles advising you how to manually clear your
Windows cache, because if you let it accumulate, it will lead to worse >>>>> instead of better performance, needless consumption of storage space, >>>>> and also deterioration of system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that >>>>> reliable to begin with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a basic >>>>> Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/> >>>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed for
co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking itself
(fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such things still
happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like Microsoft's.
I agree with you.
I don't agree with your clock, though... ;)
You shouldn't. I went into a Linux environment for a moment to transfer
files from a hard disk connected to an HDHomeRun device (a
network-connected device which enables one to share an over-the-air
signal throughout the house). Since the HD is formatted as XFS, I had to
use a Linux Mint test environment to edtract the files and bring them
over to another portable hard disk. Unfortunately, the Linux Mint USB
key always uses the GMT time zone and then screws up the time when I
return to Windows.
Actually, I believe Linux will /always/ set the internal clock to the
UTC time, regardless of how the timezone is set. Windows, on the other
hand, assumes its the local time and offsets accordingly. Of course,
loading into Linux from Windows doesn't screw up the time...
At Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 18:26 this Monday (GMT):
On 2025-12-22 10:25 a.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:56:38 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
wrote:
On 2025-12-22 3:22 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Caches are supposed to speed up access to frequently-used data.
They are also supposed to be self-managing, automatically
purging old, stale content that hasn’t been accessed in a while. >>>>>> Yet here we are, with any number of articles advising you how to
manually clear your Windows cache, because if you let it
accumulate, it will lead to worse instead of better performance,
needless consumption of storage space, and also deterioration of
system reliability. (As if Dimdows was that reliable to begin
with ...)
Do you think Microsoft’s engineers should be given copies of a
basic Comp Sci text that explains how caches are supposed to
work?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-clear-windows-11-pc-cache/>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4053360/how-to-clear-the-cache-of-my-installed-apps-in-win/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/679171/how-to-clear-your-cache-in-windows-10/>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/techtalktutorials/comments/1movwow/how_to_clear_cache_in_windows_11_stepbystep_pc/>
Honestly, this is a great point. Most of the problems I've fixed
for co-workers is due to cache and the operating system breaking
itself (fixed with SFC and DISM). It's quite uncanny that such
things still happen in 2025 with a modern operating system like
Microsoft's.
I agree with you.
I don't agree with your clock, though... ;)
You shouldn't. I went into a Linux environment for a moment to
transfer files from a hard disk connected to an HDHomeRun device (a
network-connected device which enables one to share an over-the-air
signal throughout the house). Since the HD is formatted as XFS, I
had to use a Linux Mint test environment to edtract the files and
bring them over to another portable hard disk. Unfortunately, the
Linux Mint USB key always uses the GMT time zone and then screws up
the time when I return to Windows.
Actually, I believe Linux will /always/ set the internal clock to the
UTC time, regardless of how the timezone is set. Windows, on the other
hand, assumes its the local time and offsets accordingly. Of course,
loading into Linux from Windows doesn't screw up the time...
Windows can be set to use UTC on the hardware clock.
Had a chat with my friend, a Linux instructor at the local
college, where I surprised him with the knowledge that Windows
_still_, by default, uses local time for the hardware clock.
We agreed it's gotta be something from DOS days, and it's fairly
stupid.
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Actually, I believe Linux will /always/ set the internal clock to
the UTC time, regardless of how the timezone is set. Windows, on the
other hand, assumes its the local time and offsets accordingly. Of
course, loading into Linux from Windows doesn't screw up the time...
Sounds like it is Windows getting screwed up.
System time in UTC is the only convention that makes sense. Convert
time to some suitable local time zone before displaying it to the
user, by all means. But don’t assume that all the users on a
particular system are in the same time zone.
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Actually, I believe Linux will /always/ set the internal clock to
the UTC time, regardless of how the timezone is set. Windows, on the
other hand, assumes its the local time and offsets accordingly. Of
course, loading into Linux from Windows doesn't screw up the time...
Sounds like it is Windows getting screwed up.
System time in UTC is the only convention that makes sense. Convert
time to some suitable local time zone before displaying it to the
user, by all means. But don’t assume that all the users on a
particular system are in the same time zone.
On Dec 24, 2025 at 12:04:52 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10ihdgk$1aaqu$6@dont-email.me>:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Actually, I believe Linux will /always/ set the internal clock to
the UTC time, regardless of how the timezone is set. Windows, on the
other hand, assumes its the local time and offsets accordingly. Of
course, loading into Linux from Windows doesn't screw up the time...
Sounds like it is Windows getting screwed up.
System time in UTC is the only convention that makes sense. Convert
time to some suitable local time zone before displaying it to the
user, by all means. But don’t assume that all the users on a
particular system are in the same time zone.
I do not know if modern Windows still does this, but in the past Windows used to rewrite the hardware time to local... which was a bit of madness if you dual booted.
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