I was wondering, does anyone know what zephyr-sdk is?
I'm not sure if uninstalling it would break anything ...
On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:20:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
I was wondering, does anyone know what zephyr-sdk is?
Could this
<https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zephyr&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all>
be what you’re talking about?
I'm not sure if uninstalling it would break anything ...
Linux package managers will not usually let you remove something if
something else depends on it, unless you elect to remove the latter as
well.
Hi,
I was wondering, does anyone know what zephyr-sdk is? I'm not sure if uninstalling it would break anything, and it's marked as "explicitly installed". DDG doesn't help much either, any tips?
Hi,
I was wondering, does anyone know what zephyr-sdk is? I'm not sure if uninstalling it would break anything, and it's marked as "explicitly installed". DDG doesn't help much either, any tips?
On 2024-02-26, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:20:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
I'm not sure if uninstalling it would break anything ...
Linux package managers will not usually let you remove something if
something else depends on it, unless you elect to remove the latter as
well.
Well, it doesn't seem to have any dependents so I hope removing it won't break anything.. here goes!
On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 23:45:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-26, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:20:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
I'm not sure if uninstalling it would break anything ...
Linux package managers will not usually let you remove something if
something else depends on it, unless you elect to remove the latter as
well.
If you really want you are also allowed to break stuff by forcing
removal of packets still needed by others. Not that it's recommended.
Well, it doesn't seem to have any dependents so I hope removing it won't
break anything.. here goes!
Are you still with us? ;-)
On 2024-02-26 3:20 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering, does anyone know what zephyr-sdk is? I'm not sure if
uninstalling it would break anything, and it's marked as "explicitly
installed". DDG doesn't help much either, any tips?
The -sdk suffix suggests that it is a Software Development Kit. Are you actively developing something that uses Zephyr? If not, you can remove
the package.
Even if you previously compiled something that needed the SDK to build,
the runtime environment is usually in a different package. So it is
unlikely that you need the SDK to run anything.
You don't even need to know which "Zephyr" project it is referring to.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:20:08 -0500, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering, does anyone know what zephyr-sdk is? I'm not sure if
uninstalling it would break anything, and it's marked as "explicitly
installed". DDG doesn't help much either, any tips?
From https://docs.zephyrproject.org/latest/develop/getting_started/index.html
"The Zephyr Software Development Kit (SDK) contains toolchains for each of Zephyr’s supported architectures, which include a compiler, assembler, linker and other programs required to build Zephyr applications."
And from https://docs.zephyrproject.org/latest/introduction/index.html
"The Zephyr OS is based on a small-footprint kernel designed for use on resource-constrained and embedded systems".
Regards, Dave Hodgins
On 2024-02-26, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And from https://docs.zephyrproject.org/latest/introduction/index.html
"The Zephyr OS is based on a small-footprint kernel designed for use on resource-constrained and embedded systems".
Weird, Ive never heard of Zephyr OS.. maybe I installed it a while ago
then forgot?
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:45:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-26, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And from https://docs.zephyrproject.org/latest/introduction/index.html
"The Zephyr OS is based on a small-footprint kernel designed for use on resource-constrained and embedded systems".
Weird, Ive never heard of Zephyr OS.. maybe I installed it a while ago
then forgot?
Checking for file containing zephyr I note I have some
libraries. Apparently it got installed when I installed Pidgin a while ago.
On 2024-02-28, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
Checking for file containing zephyr I note I have some
libraries. Apparently it got installed when I installed Pidgin a while ago.
That makes a lot more sense, I think I used to use Pidgin a lot. Guess I forgot to clean up unneeded packages after uninstall?
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:45:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-26, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And from https://docs.zephyrproject.org/latest/introduction/index.html
"The Zephyr OS is based on a small-footprint kernel designed for use
on resource-constrained and embedded systems".
Weird, Ive never heard of Zephyr OS.. maybe I installed it a while ago
then forgot?
Checking for file containing zephyr I note I have some libraries.
Apparently it got installed when I installed Pidgin a while ago.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 04:15:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-28, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
That makes a lot more sense, I think I used to use Pidgin a lot. Guess I
Checking for file containing zephyr I note I have some
libraries. Apparently it got installed when I installed Pidgin a while ago. >>
forgot to clean up unneeded packages after uninstall?
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:50:39 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
On Debian-based distros, you have to do “apt-get autoremove” to clean up automatically-installed packages that are no longer needed.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 02:04 this Thursday (GMT):
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:50:39 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
On Debian-based distros, you have to do “apt-get autoremove” to clean up >> automatically-installed packages that are no longer needed.
Do you think it would be a bad idea to put that as a weekly crontab cmd?
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:00:10 -0500, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 02:04 this Thursday (GMT):
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:50:39 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
On Debian-based distros, you have to do “apt-get autoremove” to clean up
automatically-installed packages that are no longer needed.
Do you think it would be a bad idea to put that as a weekly crontab cmd?
If you have any packages that were downloaded and installed outside of the package management system, those packages may require other packages from
the distribution that the package management system is not able to keep
track of. Also, packages that pull in lots of other packages may get uninstalled
if any of those other packages is uninstalled, making the rest of the packages
that were pulled in orphan packages that are no longer required by selected packages.
While Mageia uses a different package manager by default (urpmi), it has
a similar feature (urpme --auto-orphans) with a similar danger.
See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Removing_packages#Warning
Regards, Dave Hodgins
David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote at 19:59 this Thursday (GMT):
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:00:10 -0500, candycanearter07If you have any packages that were downloaded and installed outside of the
package management system, those packages may require other packages from
the distribution that the package management system is not able to keep
track of. Also, packages that pull in lots of other packages may get uninstalled
if any of those other packages is uninstalled, making the rest of the packages
that were pulled in orphan packages that are no longer required by selected >> packages.
While Mageia uses a different package manager by default (urpmi), it has
a similar feature (urpme --auto-orphans) with a similar danger.
See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Removing_packages#Warning
Oh, ok. I won't clean them up then, since it's only about 2gb of space.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 15:30:08 -0500, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
<snip>
David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote at 19:59 this Thursday (GMT):
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:00:10 -0500, candycanearter07If you have any packages that were downloaded and installed outside of the
package management system, those packages may require other packages from >>> the distribution that the package management system is not able to keep
track of. Also, packages that pull in lots of other packages may get uninstalled
if any of those other packages is uninstalled, making the rest of the packages
that were pulled in orphan packages that are no longer required by selected >>> packages.
While Mageia uses a different package manager by default (urpmi), it has >>> a similar feature (urpme --auto-orphans) with a similar danger.
See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Removing_packages#Warning
Oh, ok. I won't clean them up then, since it's only about 2gb of space.
Just to be clear. I'm not saying orphaned packages should not be removed, just that it has to be done with caution. An automated process can work,
but only if care is taken to avoid third party sources, or removing task packages (packages that exist just to pull in a collection of other packages).
Depending on how much disk space you have, 2GB may be considered a lot such as when using an 8GB sd card, or it may be considered a minor amount such as when using a terabyte hard drive.
I do periodically remove orphan packages, but only after reviewing the list and manually installing any "orphan" packages that I do not want to be uninstalled.
Manually trying to install the already installed "orphan" packages just removes
the package from the list of packages installed as a dependency of other packages
that is used in the identification of orphan packages. It doesn't actually make
any changes to the package.
My main installation has all parts of the installation other then /boot in a 64GB file system. Currently of the 47GB currently used, 27GB of that is in /usr.
Without removing orphans, I would have had to increase the file system size or
move things to other file systems.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote at 22:18 this Thursday (GMT):
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 15:30:08 -0500, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
<snip>
David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote at 19:59 this Thursday (GMT):
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:00:10 -0500, candycanearter07If you have any packages that were downloaded and installed outside of the
package management system, those packages may require other packages from >>>> the distribution that the package management system is not able to keep >>>> track of. Also, packages that pull in lots of other packages may get uninstalled
if any of those other packages is uninstalled, making the rest of the packages
that were pulled in orphan packages that are no longer required by selected
packages.
While Mageia uses a different package manager by default (urpmi), it has >>>> a similar feature (urpme --auto-orphans) with a similar danger.
See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Removing_packages#Warning
Oh, ok. I won't clean them up then, since it's only about 2gb of space.
Just to be clear. I'm not saying orphaned packages should not be removed,
just that it has to be done with caution. An automated process can work,
but only if care is taken to avoid third party sources, or removing task
packages (packages that exist just to pull in a collection of other packages).
I have no idea which are third party :D
I have a 256GB SSD
If you have any packages that were downloaded and installed outside of
the package management system, those packages may require other packages
from the distribution that the package management system is not able to
keep track of.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 17:25:07 -0500, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote at 22:18 this Thursday (GMT):
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 15:30:08 -0500, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
<snip>
David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote at 19:59 this Thursday (GMT):Just to be clear. I'm not saying orphaned packages should not be removed, >>> just that it has to be done with caution. An automated process can work, >>> but only if care is taken to avoid third party sources, or removing task >>> packages (packages that exist just to pull in a collection of other packages).
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:00:10 -0500, candycanearter07If you have any packages that were downloaded and installed outside of the
package management system, those packages may require other packages from >>>>> the distribution that the package management system is not able to keep >>>>> track of. Also, packages that pull in lots of other packages may get uninstalled
if any of those other packages is uninstalled, making the rest of the packages
that were pulled in orphan packages that are no longer required by selected
packages.
While Mageia uses a different package manager by default (urpmi), it has >>>>> a similar feature (urpme --auto-orphans) with a similar danger.
See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Removing_packages#Warning
Oh, ok. I won't clean them up then, since it's only about 2gb of space. >>>
I have no idea which are third party :D
Third party refers to packages provided by some other then you or the distribution.
For example, if you manually download and install zoom from https://zoom.us/ then that would be considered a third party package.
I have a 256GB SSD
If it only has one os on it, that leaves lots of room for data, so 2GB would not be considered to be a lot of space. If you have multiple operating systems
and/or multiple linux installs, it isn't much. :-)
On my main system I normally have 7 linux installations. Separate installs
of 32 and 64 bit versions of 3 different Mageia linux releases, plus one that I use for the bulk of my usage outside of testing.
Now that I've stepped down from my position as the leader of the qa team for Mageia, that will free up a lot of space.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote at 00:50 this Thursday (GMT):
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 04:15:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-28, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
Checking for file containing zephyr I note I have some
libraries. Apparently it got installed when I installed Pidgin a while ago.
That makes a lot more sense, I think I used to use Pidgin a lot. Guess I >>> forgot to clean up unneeded packages after uninstall?
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
Pacman/yay is a bit weird on removing dependecies. You have to add -s to
the command to uninstall unneeded packages, which I didn't know about at
that time.
And the "list unneeded packages" command is I believe -Qdt
[snip]
On 2024-02-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote at 00:50 this Thursday (GMT):
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 04:15:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-28, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
Checking for file containing zephyr I note I have some
libraries. Apparently it got installed when I installed Pidgin a while ago.
That makes a lot more sense, I think I used to use Pidgin a lot. Guess I >>>> forgot to clean up unneeded packages after uninstall?
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
Pacman/yay is a bit weird on removing dependecies. You have to add -s to
the command to uninstall unneeded packages, which I didn't know about at
that time.
And the "list unneeded packages" command is I believe -Qdt
[snip]
Indeed and sudo pacman -Rsn $(pacman -Qdtq) removes them :-)
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 08:30 this Saturday (GMT):Pacman saves important configuration files when removing certain
On 2024-02-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote at 00:50 this Thursday (GMT): >>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 04:15:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-28, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
Checking for file containing zephyr I note I have some
libraries. Apparently it got installed when I installed Pidgin a while ago.
That makes a lot more sense, I think I used to use Pidgin a lot. Guess I >>>>> forgot to clean up unneeded packages after uninstall?
The package manager should take care of that. It removes (or should)
packages no longer needed by other apps.
Pacman/yay is a bit weird on removing dependecies. You have to add -s to >>> the command to uninstall unneeded packages, which I didn't know about at >>> that time.
And the "list unneeded packages" command is I believe -Qdt
[snip]
Indeed and sudo pacman -Rsn $(pacman -Qdtq) removes them :-)
What does the -n in the first part do?
Also, check the other reply for why I'm kinda concerned about
mass removing those.
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