• Batteries And Mains - Getting It Wrong

    From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Sep 14 16:47:09 2025
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    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/27913-helsinki-tram-disruptions-continue-after-voltage-upgrade-damages-older-fleet.html



    Several older trams in Helsinki were damaged over the weekend after
    the city’s main tramline voltage was increased. While many units
    have now returned to service, City Transport warns passengers to
    expect continued changes and possible cancellations during the
    coming week.

    The voltage increase was carried out between Saturday and Sunday
    night to match the power levels used by Helsinki’s newer light
    rail lines, including the Kruunusillat route and Line 15. The
    network now operates at 750 VDC.

    . . .

    Why ... let's just TURN UP THE VOLTAGE :-)

    I seem to remember a US spacecraft where the
    engineering 'B' Team decided to do the same
    thing ...

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Sep 14 23:10:48 2025
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    On 2025-09-14 22:47, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/27913- helsinki-tram-disruptions-continue-after-voltage-upgrade-damages-older- fleet.html



    Several older trams in Helsinki were damaged over the weekend after
    the city’s main tramline voltage was increased. While many units
    have now returned to service, City Transport warns passengers to
    expect continued changes and possible cancellations during the
    coming week.

    The voltage increase was carried out between Saturday and Sunday
    night to match the power levels used by Helsinki’s newer light
    rail lines, including the Kruunusillat route and Line 15. The
    network now operates at 750 VDC.

    . . .

      Why ... let's just TURN UP THE VOLTAGE  :-)

    The article says they tested it in advance.


      I seem to remember a US spacecraft where the
      engineering 'B' Team decided to do the same
      thing ...

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Sep 14 17:30:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 9/14/25 17:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-09-14 22:47, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/27913-
    helsinki-tram-disruptions-continue-after-voltage-upgrade-damages-
    older- fleet.html



    Several older trams in Helsinki were damaged over the weekend after
    the city’s main tramline voltage was increased. While many units
    have now returned to service, City Transport warns passengers to
    expect continued changes and possible cancellations during the
    coming week.

    The voltage increase was carried out between Saturday and Sunday
    night to match the power levels used by Helsinki’s newer light
    rail lines, including the Kruunusillat route and Line 15. The
    network now operates at 750 VDC.

    . . .

       Why ... let's just TURN UP THE VOLTAGE  :-)

    The article says they tested it in advance.

    Obviously NOT VERY WELL.

    You don't want to be the one "standing in the
    way of progress" after all :-)

       I seem to remember a US spacecraft where the
       engineering 'B' Team decided to do the same
       thing ...




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  • From Marc Haber@mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Sep 15 09:38:49 2025
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    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    Several older trams in Helsinki were damaged over the weekend after
    the city’s main tramline voltage was increased. While many units
    have now returned to service, City Transport warns passengers to
    expect continued changes and possible cancellations during the
    coming week.

    The voltage increase was carried out between Saturday and Sunday
    night to match the power levels used by Helsinki’s newer light
    rail lines, including the Kruunusillat route and Line 15. The
    network now operates at 750 VDC.

    Please note that the voltages in railway catenaries and third rails
    have a much higher variance than the voltage we have in wall sockets, especially in those DC systems that have a voltage of around 1 kV.

    Accelerating trains draw obscene currents and the voltage decreases,
    modern trains feed back to the catenary / third rail when braking. To
    build the trains cheaper, isolation inside the trains is usually
    specced for 1 kV even if the train will be used in a 600 V system. In
    Germany, many systems have gone from 600 to 750 V in the last decades
    to allow better motorized trains to run and to be able to use cheaper,
    run of the mill equipment in rectifying stations. It is uncommon to
    modify older trains when doing that change, other than blocking the
    highest setting in mechanically controlled ("Schaltwerk") motor
    control units.

    Even in AC systems that usually run at 25 kV (15 in Germany, Austria
    and Switzerland) the variance can be higher than two kV depending on
    how many trains are accelerating / braking simultaneously.

    Nothing unusual happened in Helsinki. And it doesn't have to do with
    Linux at all.

    Greetings
    Marc
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