On 2025-12-15 10:41 p.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:16:03 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
bonkmaykr wrote:
chrisv wrote:
c186282 wrote:
Maybe an AI can eventually clean up both and
make a best-of system that's not clunky ???
It wouldn't hurt to ask. "Hey ChatGPT, clean up X11 and Wayland
to make a best-of system that's not clunky."
Piece of cake! 8)
I am not sure what your programming experience is, but asking an
AI to write any software that is non-trivial, let alone assist
with it, is a waste of time.
I was joking, of course.
"AI" (which isn't really "AI", it's just an LLM) can help
with some of the "grunt work" of programming.
My experiment with this was to write a newsreader with
the help of ChatGPT, in Tk/perl. It works.
Is it better than Pan?
At Tue, 16 Dec 2025 09:57:02 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-15 10:41 p.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:16:03 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
bonkmaykr wrote:
chrisv wrote:
c186282 wrote:
Maybe an AI can eventually clean up both and
make a best-of system that's not clunky ???
It wouldn't hurt to ask. "Hey ChatGPT, clean up X11 and Wayland
to make a best-of system that's not clunky."
Piece of cake! 8)
I am not sure what your programming experience is, but asking an
AI to write any software that is non-trivial, let alone assist
with it, is a waste of time.
I was joking, of course.
"AI" (which isn't really "AI", it's just an LLM) can help
with some of the "grunt work" of programming.
My experiment with this was to write a newsreader with
the help of ChatGPT, in Tk/perl. It works.
Is it better than Pan?
Right now, Pan is better, I'd say.
But newscamel has one feature that I don't think many newsreaders have,
which is recording "read" (red) articles by Message-ID.
That way, no matter which news server you switch to,
it will accurately indicate read articles.
I'm thinking maybe I should go back to Pan, and add that feature.
Issue there is I'm not as strong with C++ as I am with C or perl.
It's just too bad for developers that AI designed that Usenet reader
faster (and probably better) than they ever could have. Lord knows
there's a lack of decent newsreaders other than Thunderbird/Betterbird
in Linux.
At Tue, 16 Dec 2025 09:57:02 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-15 10:41 p.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:16:03 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
My experiment with this was to write a newsreader with
the help of ChatGPT, in Tk/perl. It works.
Is it better than Pan?
Right now, Pan is better, I'd say.
But newscamel has one feature that I don't think many newsreaders have,
which is recording "read" (red) articles by Message-ID.
That way, no matter which news server you switch to,
it will accurately indicate read articles.
I'm thinking maybe I should go back to Pan, and add that feature.
Issue there is I'm not as strong with C++ as I am with C or perl.
On 2025-12-17 05:42, vallor wrote:
At Tue, 16 Dec 2025 09:57:02 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
wrote:
On 2025-12-15 10:41 p.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:16:03 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
My experiment with this was to write a newsreader with
the help of ChatGPT, in Tk/perl. It works.
Is it better than Pan?
Right now, Pan is better, I'd say.
But newscamel has one feature that I don't think many newsreaders
have, which is recording "read" (red) articles by Message-ID.
That way, no matter which news server you switch to,
it will accurately indicate read articles.
I'm thinking maybe I should go back to Pan, and add that feature.
Issue there is I'm not as strong with C++ as I am with C or perl.
There is a way in Linux to do that with any reader.
I use "leafnode", an nntp proxy server. It is it who connects to the
upstream news servers, one or several. But your client only connects
to the local leafnode.
At Thu, 18 Dec 2025 14:49:30 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-12-17 05:42, vallor wrote:
At Tue, 16 Dec 2025 09:57:02 -0500, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
wrote:
On 2025-12-15 10:41 p.m., vallor wrote:
At Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:16:03 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
My experiment with this was to write a newsreader with
the help of ChatGPT, in Tk/perl. It works.
Is it better than Pan?
Right now, Pan is better, I'd say.
But newscamel has one feature that I don't think many newsreaders
have, which is recording "read" (red) articles by Message-ID.
That way, no matter which news server you switch to,
it will accurately indicate read articles.
I'm thinking maybe I should go back to Pan, and add that feature.
Issue there is I'm not as strong with C++ as I am with C or perl.
There is a way in Linux to do that with any reader.
I use "leafnode", an nntp proxy server. It is it who connects to the
upstream news servers, one or several. But your client only connects
to the local leafnode.
That works -- except with the default configuration, you
can't take part in "banter" threads, where replies are a few
minutes apart.
But...hmm. There shouldn't be any reason why the cronjob
can't fire off (say) every 5 minutes to top off fresh news...though,
that might be wasteful of resources when you're not reading.
(I seem to remember that leafnode has a killfile function -- or
does it?)
In any event, once I have the bugs ironed out of the newsgroup
tree browser, I'll put this on my github for anyone who wants
a perl-based newsreader. (Development stagnated for a few weeks.)
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