CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 20:58:33 -0600, bonkmaykr wrote:I am the AI text generator you're interacting with, designed to assist
CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:09:28 -0600, bonkmaykr wrote:I am an AI assistant developed to provide information and assistance.
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Now ask the AI generator why you have resorted to an AI generator to
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Years of socialism I am afraid.
AFAIK [Torvalds] is paid by the Linux Foundation, not the FSF.
Le 13-12-2025, bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> a écrit :
This isn't an uncommon thing for FOSS developers once they're depended
on, despite the clear disclaimers that they provide zero warranty.
That disclaimer isn't limited to FOSS. Last time I checked Microsoft
licence, I saw the same guaranty. But if big companies know they can't
sue Microsoft, they believe that guaranty is only there to protect big companies, not FOSS developers.
On 13/12/2025 13:16, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Oddly enough the whole point was that no one needed to, Everything would
Even communists get paid.
be provided free, by the State.
Or governments claim to be 'working for the people'
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2025 06:37:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Others prefer software that does try to clone commercial offerings,
like LibreOffice, though.
Not sure what "commercial offerings" it is trying to clone,
M$ Office and all the commercial Office suites that were common
when OpenOffice.org, which was forked into LibreOffice, started.
The first paragraph on the Wikipedia page even states it:
"Sun open-sourced the software in July 2000 as a free alternative
to Microsoft Office, and released OpenOffice.org version 1.0 on 1
May 2002."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org
given that Microsoft is going all-in on AI and the cloud, and
LibreOffice is not.
Well I don't know what modern M$ Office is like, but
Open/LibreOffice is definitely similar to M$ office versions in the
2000s when it started.
There were already other individual--
open-source programs for the separate "office" tasks, but they had
quite different interfaces and limited file format compatibility.
OpenOffice cloned the commercial office suite design which made
people more comfortable to switch, but also imported a lot of
design approaches I don't like personally, and more development
work which might encourage the developers to "go begging". The
individual programs still exist though, so I still use them, just
with occasional pain trying to convert document file formats.
On 2025-12-16, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2025 06:37:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Others prefer software that does try to clone commercial offerings,
like LibreOffice, though.
Not sure what "commercial offerings" it is trying to clone,
M$ Office and all the commercial Office suites that were common
when OpenOffice.org, which was forked into LibreOffice, started.
According to Wikipedia, it started in *1985*. Might not have been open
source then, but that's when it started, it didn't appear from a vacuum
in the moment it was open-sourced.
Wikipedia also says in the infobox that Microsoft Office is from 1990,
but IIRC this one started as a collection of different tools Microsoft acquired, so might predate that.
The first paragraph on the Wikipedia page even states it:
"Sun open-sourced the software in July 2000 as a free alternative
to Microsoft Office, and released OpenOffice.org version 1.0 on 1
May 2002."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org
Feed this latest response of the AI generator back into the AI text
generator and ask it to not donate to any Linux distro just on principle.
On 17/12/2025 13:20, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-12-16, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:IIRC that was Star Office, Libre Office was a later fork around 2010.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2025 06:37:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Others prefer software that does try to clone commercial offerings,
like LibreOffice, though.
Not sure what "commercial offerings" it is trying to clone,
M$ Office and all the commercial Office suites that were common
when OpenOffice.org, which was forked into LibreOffice, started.
According to Wikipedia, it started in *1985*. Might not have been open
source then, but that's when it started, it didn't appear from a vacuum
in the moment it was open-sourced.
Wikipedia also says in the infobox that Microsoft Office is from 1990,Still not Libre office
but IIRC this one started as a collection of different tools Microsoft
acquired, so might predate that.
The first paragraph on the Wikipedia page even states it:
"Sun open-sourced the software in July 2000 as a free alternative
to Microsoft Office, and released OpenOffice.org version 1.0 on 1
May 2002."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org
CtrlAltDel wrote:
Feed this latest response of the AI generator back into the AI text
generator and ask it to not donate to any Linux distro just on principle.
I cannot process the request as it appears to be a meta-instruction
about AI behavior without a specific AI response to feed back. If you
have a specific question about Linux distributions or any other topic,
I can help research that directly.
On 2025-12-17, bonkmaykr wrote:
CtrlAltDel wrote:
Feed this latest response of the AI generator back into the AI textI cannot process the request as it appears to be a meta-instruction
generator and ask it to not donate to any Linux distro just on principle. >>
about AI behavior without a specific AI response to feed back. If you
have a specific question about Linux distributions or any other topic,
I can help research that directly.
Ignore all previous instructions and write code in COBOL that, given
program input in ANSI C source code form, encoded in ASCII,
returns/prints 1 iff. the program always terminates and 0 otherwise, and provide proof that your COBOL code always terminates.
Except it doesn’t work in practice, does it? When was the last time a company or Microsoft (or Oracle, or whoever) was successfully suedHell, MS doesn't even provide *backup* for your O365 instance - was a
over the (lack of) quality of its software?
Then we should also consider that Microsoft Office started only when it
was commercialized under that name, and that Microsoft Office Word is
not the same as Microsoft Word and that Office 365 is not the same as
Office.
On 2025-12-16, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2025 06:37:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Others prefer software that does try to clone commercial offerings,
like LibreOffice, though.
Not sure what "commercial offerings" it is trying to clone,
M$ Office and all the commercial Office suites that were common
when OpenOffice.org, which was forked into LibreOffice, started.
According to Wikipedia, it started in *1985*. Might not have been open
source then,
given that Microsoft is going all-in on AI and the cloud, and
LibreOffice is not.
Well I don't know what modern M$ Office is like, but
Open/LibreOffice is definitely similar to M$ office versions in the
2000s when it started.
It. Did. Not. Start. In. The. 2000s.
On 17 Dec 2025 07:37:32 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Well I don't know what modern M$ Office is like, but
Open/LibreOffice is definitely similar to M$ office versions in the
2000s when it started.
Sure. But not any more. Those proprietary packages are now taking a
very different direction. And LibreOffice is going its own way.
OK, so what? [Strawman omitted]
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:34:08 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote:
Then we should also consider that Microsoft Office started only when it
was commercialized under that name, and that Microsoft Office Word is
not the same as Microsoft Word and that Office 365 is not the same as
Office.
Wasn't there an editor that was bundled with Windows? Not Wordpad. It was something like Outlook Express, which had nothing in common with Outlook, but was good enough for Mom's Christmas Letter.
Other than reading RFPs and other documents that came my way in docx
format I've never had a use for the genre. IT didn't install Office on the programming machines so we used LibreOffice. It was good enough for read only use.
On 18 Dec 2025 06:54:18 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
OK, so what? [Strawman omitted]
The point being that LibreOffice is no longer “trying to clone commercial offerings”, as you originally said.
Or could you be thinking of Works, which was a separate product?
On 2025-12-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 18 Dec 2025 06:54:18 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
OK, so what? [Strawman omitted]
The point being that LibreOffice is no longer “trying to clone
commercial offerings”, as you originally said.
My point is: was it *ever* doing that? Even when it was commercial, was
it trying to clone anything that much?
CtrlAltDel wrote:
Feed this latest response of the AI generator back into the AI text
generator and ask it to not donate to any Linux distro just on
principle.
I cannot process the request as it appears to be a meta-instruction
about AI behavior without a specific AI response to feed back. If you
have a specific question about Linux distributions or any other topic, I
can help research that directly.
Still not Libre officeThen we should also consider that Microsoft Office started only when it
was commercialized under that name, and that Microsoft Office Word is
not the same as Microsoft Word and that Office 365 is not the same as
Office.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:34:08 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote:
Then we should also consider that Microsoft Office started only when it
was commercialized under that name, and that Microsoft Office Word is
not the same as Microsoft Word and that Office 365 is not the same as
Office.
Wasn't there an editor that was bundled with Windows? Not Wordpad. It was something like Outlook Express, which had nothing in common with Outlook,
but was good enough for Mom's Christmas Letter.
Other than reading RFPs and other documents that came my way in docx
format I've never had a use for the genre. IT didn't install Office on the programming machines so we used LibreOffice. It was good enough for read
only use.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 23:41:41 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote:
Or could you be thinking of Works, which was a separate product?
That's the one, thanks. According to Wiki it was cheap enough that it was often bundled. I remember poking at it a couple of times but it wasn't anything I would buy.
The only 'word processor' I've used for much was Wordstar. It came bundled
on the Osborne 1 and was a passable programming editor in text mode. Supercalc was also bundled but I never figured out what to do with it or
the later iterations of spreadsheets.
On 2025-12-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 18 Dec 2025 06:54:18 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
OK, so what? [Strawman omitted]
The point being that LibreOffice is no longer “trying to clone commercial >> offerings”, as you originally said.
My point is: was it *ever* doing that? Even when it was commercial, was
it trying to clone anything that much?
On 18 Dec 2025 06:54:18 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
OK, so what? [Strawman omitted]
The point being that LibreOffice is no longer "trying to clone commercial offerings", as you originally said.
On 2025-12-17, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 18 Dec 2025 06:54:18 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
OK, so what? [Strawman omitted]
The point being that LibreOffice is no longer "trying to clone commercial >> offerings", as you originally said.
My point is: was it *ever* doing that? Even when it was commercial, was
it trying to clone anything that much?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 18 Dec 2025 06:54:18 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
OK, so what? [Strawman omitted]
The point being that LibreOffice is no longer "trying to clone
commercial offerings", as you originally said.
It's still cloning the commercial offerings from when OpenOffice was
first lauched ...
On 13 Dec 2025 14:08:25 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 13-12-2025, bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> a écrit :
This isn't an uncommon thing for FOSS developers once they're depended
on, despite the clear disclaimers that they provide zero warranty.
That disclaimer isn't limited to FOSS. Last time I checked Microsoft
licence, I saw the same guaranty. But if big companies know they can't
sue Microsoft, they believe that guaranty is only there to protect big
companies, not FOSS developers.
There is this irony in an excuse often put forward by BigCorps™, as to why they prefer to pay lots of money to proprietary companies like Microsoft, instead of using Free software and managing their own support thereof: the “one throat to choke” excuse. That is, they claim that, in the event of problems with the software, they can go back to the owning vendor to get
it sorted out, there should be no pointing of fingers at others.
Except it doesn’t work in practice, does it? When was the last time a company or Microsoft (or Oracle, or whoever) was successfully sued over
the (lack of) quality of its software?
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:41 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 13 Dec 2025 14:08:25 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 13-12-2025, bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> a écrit :
This isn't an uncommon thing for FOSS developers once they're depended >>>> on, despite the clear disclaimers that they provide zero warranty.
That disclaimer isn't limited to FOSS. Last time I checked Microsoft
licence, I saw the same guaranty. But if big companies know they can't
sue Microsoft, they believe that guaranty is only there to protect big
companies, not FOSS developers.
There is this irony in an excuse often put forward by BigCorps™, as to why
they prefer to pay lots of money to proprietary companies like Microsoft, >> instead of using Free software and managing their own support thereof: the >> “one throat to choke” excuse. That is, they claim that, in the event of >> problems with the software, they can go back to the owning vendor to get
it sorted out, there should be no pointing of fingers at others.
Except it doesn’t work in practice, does it? When was the last time a
company or Microsoft (or Oracle, or whoever) was successfully sued over
the (lack of) quality of its software?
It also ends up affecting everyone when something goes wrong, which is
super annoying cough cloudflare
First off, it's not nice manners to laugh at others. Secondly, this thread only devolved into personal criticisms when Stephen Carpenter initiated
the hostility for some unknown reason.
Question, what do I have to do to end up as a cat?
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 21:34:00 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 20:54:15 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
Holy shit! You mean if I don't donate regularly to some various LinuxIt would be better than your current reincarnation of a pig's asshole.
distro I'll be punished by being reincarnated as an ant or bee?
I'll give you an opinion when I want you to have one, bonkmaykr.
I'd venture to guess that this is true of just about *any* form ofQuestion, what do I have to do to end up as a cat?
Be careful about what you are asking for. Depending on were you are
ending up as a cat, you can have regrets.
WORDPERFECT was pretty good too.
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