• The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users

    From Leroy H@lh@somewhere.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon May 11 19:00:12 2026
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    I have a motherboard that contains on onboard sound chip
    that the manual specifies as:

    Realtek ALC1220-VB

    The command "lspci -vv", using a live distro, also reports:

    Intel Comet Lake PCH cAVS Audio
    ...
    Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel, snd_soc_skl, snd_sof_pci_intel_cnl

    This device should function with Alsa but absolutely
    nowhere can I locate the kernel configuration parameters
    for this device. The latest kernels do not seem to possess
    the above modules.

    Internet forums report nothing but the mainstream distros
    which include every possible module in one giant, bloated mess.
    No remedy is to be found.

    Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore? Is the
    average GNU/Linux user just a distro slave with no
    technical competence or curiosity?

    Fortunately I have a PCIe soundcard (SB_Audigy_5RX) for which
    I was able to locate the exact kernel configuration parameters.
    But it was not an easy task. Such information is very sparse.

    GNU/Linux was begun as a project for the technical elite, but
    now it seems that is has devolved into a definite idiocracy.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon May 11 20:10:53 2026
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    On 11/05/2026 20:00, Leroy H wrote:
    Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore?
    No.

    Is the average GNU/Linux user just a distro slave with no
    technical competence or curiosity?

    Hopefully, yes.

    You remind me of the society I once joined ...

    "We want to be much bigger"
    "Well go online, get lots more members and stop behaving like an elite
    little club"
    "But we want to stay an elite little club"

    ...I left...
    --
    Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!



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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon May 11 20:12:03 2026
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    Leroy H wrote:

    Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore?

    I haven't built built one since I stopped needing to build one for Xen reasons, or Intel wifi driver reasons.

    No, wait I did a few times when I had an interest in testing Blackgold
    DVB drivers, still years ago.

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  • From Rich@rich@example.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon May 11 21:41:35 2026
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    Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> wrote:
    I have a motherboard that contains on onboard sound chip
    that the manual specifies as:

    Realtek ALC1220-VB

    The command "lspci -vv", using a live distro, also reports:

    Intel Comet Lake PCH cAVS Audio
    ...
    Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel, snd_soc_skl, snd_sof_pci_intel_cnl

    This device should function with Alsa but absolutely
    nowhere can I locate the kernel configuration parameters
    for this device. The latest kernels do not seem to possess
    the above modules.

    My Slackware 15.0 system has snd-hda-intel.ko, snd-soc-skl.ko and snd-sof-pci-intel-cnl.ko already prebuilt from Slackware. Perhaps you
    are not finding them due to the underscores vs. hyphens?

    Internet forums report nothing but the mainstream distros
    which include every possible module in one giant, bloated mess.

    Slackware gives you the option of a giant huge kernel with most things
    built in, or a kernel with most drivers built as modules. You get to
    pick which you want during install.

    No remedy is to be found.

    Since Slackware 15.0 has the three modules you mention, there is one
    remedy: install Slackware 15.0.

    Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore?

    I used to do so. It has been so long now since I last built a kernel
    I've forgotten how long ago that last build was.

    Is the average GNU/Linux user just a distro slave with no technical competence or curiosity?

    The average computer user (no matter the os) is a "distro slave with no technical competence or curiosity". The only difference between them
    is "which distro" (MS for winblows or one of the Linuxes).

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon May 11 14:59:14 2026
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    On 5/11/26 12:00, Leroy H wrote:
    I have a motherboard that contains on onboard sound chip
    that the manual specifies as:

    Realtek ALC1220-VB

    The command "lspci -vv", using a live distro, also reports:

    Intel Comet Lake PCH cAVS Audio
    ...
    Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel, snd_soc_skl, snd_sof_pci_intel_cnl

    This device should function with Alsa but absolutely
    nowhere can I locate the kernel configuration parameters
    for this device. The latest kernels do not seem to possess
    the above modules.

    Internet forums report nothing but the mainstream distros
    which include every possible module in one giant, bloated mess.
    No remedy is to be found.

    Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore? Is the
    average GNU/Linux user just a distro slave with no
    technical competence or curiosity?

    And what distribution of GNU/Linux are you using, Leroy?

    Limited technical competence and heaps of curiosity but at 88
    not terribly interested in studying for new career.
    My Distro not-Slave is a man in Texas who publishes the
    distro and compiles with assistance from testers and coders.
    He is presently working on 6.18.26 and other parts of the
    Distribution. What he provides us generally works smoothly.

    Some of the PCLinuxOS users do build their own kernels
    but I have limited time sitting at the computer and use it for
    communication. I read technical groups like col.misc for
    comprehensible tips not for slamming the other users.
    But you see, I will at times...>
    Fortunately I have a PCIe soundcard (SB_Audigy_5RX) for which
    I was able to locate the exact kernel configuration parameters.
    But it was not an easy task. Such information is very sparse.

    GNU/Linux was begun as a project for the technical elite, but
    now it seems that is has devolved into a definite idiocracy.

    Well aren't you proud of your own big brain.
    So is Donald Trump, a very stable genius, in his own estimation.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.04- Linux 6.12.87 pclos1- KDE
    Plasma 6.6.4
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon May 11 22:47:16 2026
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    On Mon, 11 May 2026 20:12:03 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    Leroy H wrote:

    Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore?

    I haven't built built one since I stopped needing to build one for
    Xen reasons, or Intel wifi driver reasons.

    Doesn’t anybody order from a menu at a restaurant any more?

    Is that proof of some kind of techno-smarts? Because building a Linux
    kernel is just the same: making selections from a menu. Only the
    finished product arrives a bit faster.
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon May 11 22:42:01 2026
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    On 5/11/26 18:47, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 11 May 2026 20:12:03 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    Leroy H wrote:

    Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore?

    NO. It shouldn't BE like that anymore !!!

    I haven't built built one since I stopped needing to build one for
    Xen reasons, or Intel wifi driver reasons.

    Doesn’t anybody order from a menu at a restaurant any more?

    You might have to TALK to someone !!!

    Is that proof of some kind of techno-smarts? Because building a Linux
    kernel is just the same: making selections from a menu. Only the
    finished product arrives a bit faster.

    Linux kernels have become WAY too big broad and deep
    at this point. 99.999% are NOT gonna make custom-built
    versions.

    Look, great if you CAN or WANT TO ... but after so
    many years most of us simply want Something That Just
    Works. I don't buy a car as a pile of pistons and
    gears and crap - but a WHOLE car. Turn key, GO. If
    you want 'custom' THEN you can do that later.

    As for systemd ... it has it's uses. Just installed MX
    on two boxes - both the systemd version because I have
    uses for systemd which the Old Way doesn't do nearly
    as neat.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue May 12 03:53:13 2026
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    On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:00:12 +0000, Leroy H wrote:

    This device should function with Alsa but absolutely nowhere can I
    locate the kernel configuration parameters for this device. The latest kernels do not seem to possess the above modules.

    Sounds like Pipewire got you by the balls.
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue May 12 00:39:53 2026
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    On 5/11/26 23:53, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:00:12 +0000, Leroy H wrote:

    This device should function with Alsa but absolutely nowhere can I
    locate the kernel configuration parameters for this device. The latest
    kernels do not seem to possess the above modules.

    Sounds like Pipewire got you by the balls.

    Usually PiperWire "Just Works".

    But if you want some WEIRD connection to
    other audio apps then, well, good luck.

    There are multiple, independent, solutions
    to Linux audio. Expecting Mercedes parts
    to fit yer Chevy ... well ......

    Yet I keep hearing laments from people who
    discover they Can't Get There From Here.

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  • From makendo@makendo@makendo.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue May 12 12:47:40 2026
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    This device should function with Alsa but absolutely
    nowhere can I locate the kernel configuration parameters
    for this device. The latest kernels do not seem to possess
    the above modules.

    Some configuration entries are hidden beneath several levels of nested unchecked checkboxes, and the way to unlock them can be non-obvious at
    times (e.g. how will you know that you need I2C drivers to drive your computer's SMBus controller?).

    There is a search function in menuconfig/nconfig to help find exactly
    what you want and how to unlock it, but it isn't very easy to use.

    Though far easier said than done (I doubt if anyone will be even willing
    to do this), this could make life easier to make a kernel tailored to
    a specific computer:

    - A program that sets Kconfig options based on what PCI devices
    are on your computer;
    - An index mapping PCI IDs, USB IDs, etc. to Kconfig options;
    - Tools for compiling and maintaining said index.
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue May 12 01:26:13 2026
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    On 5/12/26 00:47, makendo wrote:
    This device should function with Alsa but absolutely
    nowhere can I locate the kernel configuration parameters
    for this device.  The latest kernels do not seem to possess
    the above modules.

    Some configuration entries are hidden beneath several levels of nested unchecked checkboxes, and the way to unlock them can be non-obvious at
    times (e.g. how will you know that you need I2C drivers to drive your computer's SMBus controller?).

    Um ... VERY VERY "un-obvious" ........

    There is a search function in menuconfig/nconfig to help find exactly
    what you want and how to unlock it, but it isn't very easy to use.

    Though far easier said than done (I doubt if anyone will be even willing
    to do this), this could make life easier to make a kernel tailored to
    a specific computer:

      - A program that sets Kconfig options based on what PCI devices
        are on your computer;
      - An index mapping PCI IDs, USB IDs, etc. to Kconfig options;
      - Tools for compiling and maintaining said index.

    Look, audio/video, multiple solutions have evolved.
    They are NOT always compatible no matter WHAT you do.

    So - PICK one.

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