• Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

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    Z totaliztycznym salutem!

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.
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  • From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to comp.os.linux.misc,pl.comp.programming on Mon Jun 22 12:35:30 2026
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    At Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:11:38 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> wrote:

    Z totaliztycznym salutem!

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with Linux...?

    But I'll bite: No. Is that what you see in Poland, by Jingo?

    Also, take a look at my ObLinux:

    ObLinux: Friday, I had trouble where an office worker saw
    a digital signage display "not working", so they hit the
    "off" button on the remote. (This is actually "standby".)

    It's a Fire TV -- an Android device -- and I did a kind of
    "hail Mary" and sent it a wake-on-lan packet from the tiny
    Linux controller box -- and it woke up!

    etherwake(8) to the rescue! :)
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    OS: Linux 7.1.1 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (610.43.02)
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Jun 23 04:16:33 2026
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    On 6/22/26 08:35, vallor wrote:
    At Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:11:38 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> wrote:

    Z totaliztycznym salutem!

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with Linux...?

    But I'll bite: No. Is that what you see in Poland, by Jingo?

    Also, take a look at my ObLinux:

    ObLinux: Friday, I had trouble where an office worker saw
    a digital signage display "not working", so they hit the
    "off" button on the remote. (This is actually "standby".)

    It's a Fire TV -- an Android device -- and I did a kind of
    "hail Mary" and sent it a wake-on-lan packet from the tiny
    Linux controller box -- and it woke up!

    etherwake(8) to the rescue! :)

    At least USED to be able to find Linux/UNIX books
    on the shelves at the bigger bookstores. Haven't
    been to any since Covid though. The big ones are
    all like 50 miles away anyhow.

    Also used to be a fair selection of books on various
    programming languages and systems. For some reason
    a lot on "Perl" ... maybe they didn't sell ?

    Again not sure if they can be found now.

    Many people just get such knowledge from the Net
    these days. However the knowledge density, and
    expert explaination/context, rarely exists outside
    of big books. The Net is like 'info snacks', the
    books are usually the Whole Context.

    "Digital Signage" - wrote my own. First in Python,
    then better in Lazarus/FPC. Used it for a few years
    at The Office. Did slides, series of slides, and even
    short video clips. Made a web setup app for it too.
    Groove on the HTML/PHP ! :-) Cool trick was that you
    could load-up the little PIs and then TAKE it to
    conferences/events - then bring it back, link to the
    corp server, and put new stuff in. Ran in our lobby
    for a long time, something for outsiders to watch
    while waiting for appointments/meetings.

    Now there's at least one Linux distro dedicated to
    the job - but never tried it.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Jun 23 17:46:07 2026
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    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 04:16:33 -0400, c186282 wrote:

    Also used to be a fair selection of books on various programming
    languages and systems. For some reason a lot on "Perl" ... maybe they
    didn't sell ?

    Again not sure if they can be found now.

    The Barnes & Noble brick and mortar store used to have several full rows
    of programming books. I went in a month ago and found the programming
    books were in one small section about 3' wide. Most of the title were from
    No Starch and I don't recall any O'Reily books at all. There were indeed
    some Dummies books. Some of those aren't all that bad.

    I got all the No Starch Python books I'll ever need in a humble bundle for
    the price of one hard hardcopy book.
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  • From jayjwa@jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Jun 23 16:20:57 2026
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    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:

    The Barnes & Noble brick and mortar store used to have several full rows
    of programming books. I went in a month ago and found the programming
    books were in one small section about 3' wide.
    Same here. I like the feel of actual books. Something about the pages
    spread out before me seems more appealing than keeping a terminal with
    Most open and my program in another (or in Emacs, etc). Back in the day,
    there were many sections. Today there's just a small spot. I'd imagine
    most people are getting their computer science information online rather
    than buy expensive books.

    My Java book is around $50+, the PHP/MySQL one $50 also. The Stephen
    Longo DECSYSTEM-20 assembler scanned-in PDF has a sticker on the front:
    $.99 (yes, a decimal point, so probably 99 cents although the left side
    of the sticker is smudged as the book was likely used before it was
    scanned in). I have a hardcover dictionary: much less fluff in there
    when I really need to look up a word versus online.

    The "for dummies" series was pretty popular for awhile. Last time I
    checked the physical store, there were only a couple books about games
    in Python, something non-trivial to do with C, and maybe a few about
    specific applications in the Microsoft orbit.

    We live in a time of information overload. What a time to be alive.
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    "The Internet should always be the Wild West!"
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  • From Distro Lackey@dl@lackey.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Jun 23 21:03:36 2026
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    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 16:20:57 -0400, jayjwa wrote:

    I like the feel of actual books. Something about the pages
    spread out before me seems more appealing than keeping a terminal with
    Most open and my program in another (or in Emacs, etc).


    You obviously haven't had much experience in reading e-books.

    For me, paper books are extremely cumbersome, whereas a PDF
    or other electronic format is supremely comfortable and facile.

    Paper books are total garbage. Digital books are superior
    in every way.

    YOU just have not discovered this superiority and you may
    not ever discover it.

    Poor dumb bastard.

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Jun 23 23:39:21 2026
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    On 2026-06-23, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote:

    We live in a time of information overload. What a time to be alive.

    Yup. But it's like drinking from a fire hose:
    you can do it, but you have to be careful.

    The Internet is like a big city: full of bright lights
    and excitement, but also dark alleys down which the
    unwary get mugged.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 01:22:31 2026
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    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:11:38 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.

    LOL at the fact that none of those books are about “Computer Science”.

    Do they have “λ-Calculus For Dummies”?
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 01:57:48 2026
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    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 16:20:57 -0400, jayjwa wrote:

    Today there's just a small spot. I'd imagine most people are getting
    their computer science information online rather than buy expensive
    books.

    When we started the Angular project I bought 'ng-book The Complete Book on Angular 6' 6 was May 2018. By the time I became involved a year the
    project had moved to Angular 8. One of the programmers gave me the ebook version. It's up to 22 now, with even more changes. My calculus text from
    60 years ago, if I still had it, would still be pertinent. A software book from last year, not so much.


    My Java book is around $50+,

    I bought 'Java in a Nutshell' in the 2nd edition. It was a fairly slim
    book to match the slim, lithe Java of '97. Like the high school hottie
    that turned into a 350 pound harridan I lost interest about the time Swing reared its head.


    The "for dummies" series was pretty popular for awhile. Last time I
    checked the physical store, there were only a couple books about games
    in Python, something non-trivial to do with C, and maybe a few about
    specific applications in the Microsoft orbit.

    I've got 'Flute for Dummies' and it's pretty good. I can play an Irish flute/tin whistle but they only have 6 holes and do D and G. I bought a
    cheap Boehm flute and it has a lot more moving parts to figure out. An
    Irish flute has zero moving parts so that's a low bar.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 02:45:29 2026
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    On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 01:22:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:11:38 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.

    LOL at the fact that none of those books are about “Computer Science”.

    Do they have “λ-Calculus For Dummies”?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_Made_Easy

    Well before dummies...
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 00:43:18 2026
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    On 6/23/26 19:39, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-06-23, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote:

    We live in a time of information overload. What a time to be alive.

    Yup. But it's like drinking from a fire hose:
    you can do it, but you have to be careful.

    The Internet is like a big city: full of bright lights
    and excitement, but also dark alleys down which the
    unwary get mugged.

    Huh ? NOW they mug/kill you right on the
    main streets in broad daylight - and the
    officials side with the perps :-)

    New York just elected more of such officials.

    Well, MAYbe ... wonder how much the vote IS
    rigged there.


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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 00:57:27 2026
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    On 6/23/26 21:22, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:11:38 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.

    LOL at the fact that none of those books are about “Computer Science”.

    Do NOT remember seeing any for 'computer science' per-se.
    But that's not ACTUALLY about real computers ... more
    stats and formal method analysis and other stuff that
    won't get anything done.

    Do they have “λ-Calculus For Dummies”?

    Never looked for it - not that great at ordinary
    math stuff. MAY be there however.

    Try a large college bookstore instead ... or are
    there still such things ? Author better not "sound
    Jewish" either or the books will be thrown into the
    bonfire as the mob cheers.

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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 01:08:28 2026
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    On 6/23/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 16:20:57 -0400, jayjwa wrote:

    Today there's just a small spot. I'd imagine most people are getting
    their computer science information online rather than buy expensive
    books.

    When we started the Angular project I bought 'ng-book The Complete Book on Angular 6' 6 was May 2018. By the time I became involved a year the
    project had moved to Angular 8. One of the programmers gave me the ebook version. It's up to 22 now, with even more changes. My calculus text from
    60 years ago, if I still had it, would still be pertinent. A software book from last year, not so much.


    My Java book is around $50+,

    I bought 'Java in a Nutshell' in the 2nd edition. It was a fairly slim
    book to match the slim, lithe Java of '97. Like the high school hottie
    that turned into a 350 pound harridan I lost interest about the time Swing reared its head.


    I think I had JIANS too ... it went into the trash
    when I retired because by then I realized I'd never
    use Java.

    Still have "Algorithms In 'C'" (Sedgewick) and a few
    other 'right down to it' guides - and, of course, my
    K&R book.


    The "for dummies" series was pretty popular for awhile. Last time I
    checked the physical store, there were only a couple books about games
    in Python, something non-trivial to do with C, and maybe a few about
    specific applications in the Microsoft orbit.

    I've got 'Flute for Dummies' and it's pretty good. I can play an Irish flute/tin whistle but they only have 6 holes and do D and G. I bought a
    cheap Boehm flute and it has a lot more moving parts to figure out. An
    Irish flute has zero moving parts so that's a low bar.

    Despite the degrading, off-putting, names ... some
    of the "For Dummies" books weren't all that bad.

    Books writ by/for academics can be VERY bad - better
    to get the 'translations' for the more practical folks.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 05:52:48 2026
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    On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 01:08:28 -0400, c186282 wrote:

    I think I had JIANS too ... it went into the trash when I retired
    because by then I realized I'd never use Java.

    We had one application that used Java and I tried to stay well away from
    it. In its defense it started life as an applet that could be easily
    installed in remote sheriff substations to give them an overview of what
    was happening. Then it grew and browsers stopped running applets.

    Microsoft's Visual J++ wasn't all that bad but a suit by Sun shut it down.
    C# has a lot of J++ DNA.

    My first attempt with Java was a simple AVR simulator. If you expect to
    bang bits don't use Java. Then it kept grow and getting slower and slower.
    The answer on Java forums was 'you need a faster machine.' I haven't used
    it in a long time but Eclipse was slower than shit. NetBeans was worse.

    Moving from Java in the Arduino v1 IDE to Electron/Javascript in v2 was an improvement.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 05:54:17 2026
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    On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 00:57:27 -0400, c186282 wrote:

    Do NOT remember seeing any for 'computer science' per-se.
    But that's not ACTUALLY about real computers ... more stats and
    formal method analysis and other stuff that won't get anything done.

    Yeah, but you get to talk about Big O.
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 02:20:12 2026
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    On 6/24/26 01:52, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 01:08:28 -0400, c186282 wrote:

    I think I had JIANS too ... it went into the trash when I retired
    because by then I realized I'd never use Java.

    We had one application that used Java and I tried to stay well away from
    it. In its defense it started life as an applet that could be easily installed in remote sheriff substations to give them an overview of what
    was happening. Then it grew and browsers stopped running applets.

    Microsoft's Visual J++ wasn't all that bad but a suit by Sun shut it down.
    C# has a lot of J++ DNA.

    My first attempt with Java was a simple AVR simulator. If you expect to
    bang bits don't use Java. Then it kept grow and getting slower and slower. The answer on Java forums was 'you need a faster machine.' I haven't used
    it in a long time but Eclipse was slower than shit. NetBeans was worse.

    Moving from Java in the Arduino v1 IDE to Electron/Javascript in v2 was an improvement.

    Java was sort of a Good Idea - within a certain
    time context. However it quickly became much
    easier to create or port to REAL compilers across
    many kinds of systems.

    Interpreted ? Python now has that across pretty
    much everything from Ards on up and it's easier
    to use.

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc,alt.conspiracy on Wed Jun 24 15:21:14 2026
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    On 6/22/2026 7:11 PM, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
    Z totaliztycznym salutem!

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.


    You all talking about books about weapons?
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 09:59:37 2026
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    On 24/06/2026 00:39, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-06-23, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote:

    We live in a time of information overload. What a time to be alive.

    Yup. But it's like drinking from a fire hose:
    you can do it, but you have to be careful.

    The Internet is like a big city: full of bright lights
    and excitement, but also dark alleys down which the
    unwary get mugged.

    And nothing but superficial acquaintances.
    --
    Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

    "Saki"

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 10:20:00 2026
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    On 24/06/2026 06:08, c186282 wrote:
    Still have "Algorithms In 'C'" (Sedgewick) and a few
      other 'right down to it' guides - and, of course, my
      K&R book.
    Th advent of the internet caused me to throw most of my books out.
    Still have a javascript one, but its years since I used it.

    I still have a thousands science fiction and mystery fiction books though
    --
    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
    rule.
    – H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Jun 24 10:23:29 2026
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    On 24/06/2026 03:45, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 01:22:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:11:38 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

    Do USA bookstores look like this nowadays?

    <https://fqa.9front.org/books.jpg>
    ?

    What I meant was the For Dummies series on the top shelf.

    LOL at the fact that none of those books are about “Computer Science”. >>
    Do they have “λ-Calculus For Dummies”?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_Made_Easy

    Well before dummies...

    The principles of calculus are extraordinarily easy. Thee practice isn't
    too bad. What makes it hare is they never connect the two,

    Ultimately it's about dealing with [values associated with] curves
    rather than straight lines (or flat surfaces)
    --
    Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
    Mark Twain

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