I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or, in
the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is failing due
to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
A: ?
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?
A: ?
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why?
A: ?
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or, in
the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is failing due
to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it,
and why?
On 4/26/26 12:07 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or, in
the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is failing due
to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about your experiences.
I keep my Android/Windows toys until I get bored with them and then give
them away, usually to a grand or great-grandkid. I just gave away my last 2 Windows toys so am once again Windows free. Yay. They were a mini-laptop
and a tablet and just ran too hot (physically) for me, especially the
tablet which was actually uncomfortable to hold. And the fans warmed up the area. Heck my Chromebook doesn't even have an air hole...
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up. So I'll use a long word in reply that you have to look up: ireallydontrememberhowlongikeptit...
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?
6 years
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it,
When the battery quits.
and why?
Because for my simple needs it works great...
Maria Sophia wrote:Good job he didn't ask about the preantepenultimate one then :-P
How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?
6 years
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it,
When the battery quits.
and why?
AJL wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?6 years
I also tend to replace phones every 6 years. My current phone is 2
years old.
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it,When the battery quits.
Batteries typically last 3 years for me before they require replacing.
I tend to replace the battery once while I own the phone. Battery >replacement cost is significantly less than the cost of a new phone.
and why?
By the end of the six year timeframe, enough new features have been
added or the version of Android that I was on has become outdated & I
want to replace the unit to remain productive.
-David
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or, in
the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is failing due
to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
A: Google Pixel 6 - three years.
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?
A: Google Pixel 9 Pro - since launch.
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why
A: Whenever. If the Pixel 11 knocks my socks off, I may look for a trade in. Otherwise, probably one or two more years.
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or, in
the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is failing due
to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
A: ?
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?
A: ?
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why?
A: ?
Because for my simple needs it works great...
I mean, if the Donald actually wanted data rather than anecdotes, he'd look this simple question up.
In the UK, a 2022 survey of over 2,000 adults found 62% wait up to 4 years: https://yougov.com/articles/46423-uk-a-fifth-of-consumers-want-to-use-their-smartphones-for-over-half-a-decade
Interestingly, those buying more expensive phones (>£1000) replace them
more often (76% within 4 years).
And in the US, a smaller survey of 1,000 adults from last year found the average length as 29 months: https://www.reviews.org/mobile/how-long-americans-keep-phones/
AJL wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:Good job he didn't ask about the preantepenultimate one then :-P
How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or, in
the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is failing due
to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about your experiences.
It's a survey of experts.
On 4/26/26 12:07 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:[...]
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or,
in the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is
failing due to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about
your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
A: ?
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date? A: ?
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why? A: ?
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> writes:
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or,
in the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is
failing due to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about
your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
A: ?
I kept it until a few months after it had stopped receiving security
updates. That was only a couple of years I think.
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date? A: ?
I expect to keep this one longer because Samsung promises longer life
for updates.
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why? A: ?
It's all about security updates.
What would be useful is if there were another version of android called restricted android, which just allowed phone calls, text messaging,
maybe nothing else. Then I could switch to that and get more life out of
the phone.
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> writes:
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery
or, in the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port
is failing due to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder
about your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing
it? A: ?
I kept it until a few months after it had stopped receiving security
updates. That was only a couple of years I think.
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date? A: ?
I expect to keep this one longer because Samsung promises longer life
for updates.
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why? A: ?
It's all about security updates.
What would be useful is if there were another version of android
called restricted android, which just allowed phone calls, text
messaging, maybe nothing else. Then I could switch to that and get
more life out of the phone.
Those are called 'dumb' or 'feature' (and sometimes 'flip') phones
and are still available and can use modern networks (3G/4G/5G). So why
not buy/use one of those and have a better/happier experience?
AJL wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
Perhaps you should become a motor racing fan:
"the penultimate lap" is
often when the most interesting part of the session starts, especially
in NASCAR and INDYCAR.
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> writes:
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I kept it until a few months after it had stopped receiving security
updates. That was only a couple of years I think.
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date? A: ?
I expect to keep this one longer because Samsung promises longer life
for updates.
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why? A: ?
It's all about security updates.
What would be useful is if there were another version of android called >restricted android, which just allowed phone calls, text messaging,
maybe nothing else. Then I could switch to that and get more life out of
the phone.
AJL wrote:
How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
As for the colloquial meaning of the word, I thought everyone knew it.
<https://www.englishgrammar.org/ultimate-penultimate-antepenultimate/>
I apologize if I caused anyone to have to look it up as I thought it was a >joke that someone said they had to look it up, but back to the topic...
My phone quit getting Samsung security updates well over a year
ago. Google still updates it's stuff so I still use it (email etc.)
but I don't keep any sensitive apps (financial etc.) on it. And it
still does all the things your restricted Android does. I'm probably
more paranoid than most but I really don't think I'm in that much
danger with the precautions I took. And I like the old phone so why
make a paranoia only change...
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
Perhaps you should become a motor racing fan:
Nah. I don't like racing motor fans. I got rid of my last Windows tablet
just because it had one. It never stopped cause the thing ran so hot...
"the penultimate lap" is
often when the most interesting part of the session starts, especially
in NASCAR and INDYCAR.
Actually English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay
anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker
really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if
needed...
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
Perhaps you should become a motor racing fan:
Nah. I don't like racing motor fans. I got rid of my last Windows tablet
just because it had one. It never stopped cause the thing ran so hot...
"the penultimate lap" is
often when the most interesting part of the session starts, especially
in NASCAR and INDYCAR.
Actually English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if needed...
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> writes:
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or,
in the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is
failing due to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about
your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
A: ?
I kept it until a few months after it had stopped receiving security
updates. That was only a couple of years I think.
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date? A: ?
I expect to keep this one longer because Samsung promises longer life
for updates.
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why? A: ?
It's all about security updates.
What would be useful is if there were another version of android called restricted android, which just allowed phone calls, text messaging,
maybe nothing else. Then I could switch to that and get more life out of
the phone.
AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:
My phone quit getting Samsung security updates well over a year
ago. Google still updates it's stuff so I still use it (email etc.)
but I don't keep any sensitive apps (financial etc.) on it. And it
still does all the things your restricted Android does. I'm probably
more paranoid than most but I really don't think I'm in that much
danger with the precautions I took. And I like the old phone so why
make a paranoia only change...
I use my phone for one-time passwords. Not because I want to, but
because they want to.
So, even SMS becomes a security issue, or using an
authenticator app because SMS is a security issue. It's just like they
want us to sink deeper and deeper into this stuff until it's embedded
under the skin.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
Actually English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay
anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker
really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if >> needed...
I think there are some errors in your Pig Latin, but I got the
message.
But perhaps inconsistency is one of the properties of Pig
Latin?
AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:
Actually English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay
anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker
really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if
needed...
Koay osay avinghay iscoveredday hatway Igpay Atinlay siay, Iay skedaay
Iaay otay riteway aay rogrampay otay ranslatetay nglisheay ntoiay Igpay >Atinlay. Ndaay heytay aysay hetay rtaay foay onversationcay siay eadday!
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
Perhaps you should become a motor racing fan:
Nah. I don't like racing motor fans. I got rid of my last Windows tablet
just because it had one. It never stopped cause the thing ran so hot...
"the penultimate lap" is
often when the most interesting part of the session starts, especially
in NASCAR and INDYCAR.
Actually English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if needed...
Those are called 'dumb' or 'feature' (and sometimes 'flip') phones
and are still available and can use modern networks (3G/4G/5G). So why
not buy/use one of those and have a better/happier experience?
While the phone is a smart phone, and receiving patches, it is more
useful than a feature phone. But it is a waste to throw it away because
it is no longer patched. I was thinking of some kind of life extension
by downgrading the OS. Probably I would use it as a secondary backup
phone, or give it away. Giving away a phone which is a security hazzard
isn't necessary doing anyone a favour, if you see what I mean.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
I actually had to look that word up.
Perhaps you should become a motor racing fan:
Nah. I don't like racing motor fans. I got rid of my last Windows tablet
just because it had one. It never stopped cause the thing ran so hot...
"the penultimate lap" is
often when the most interesting part of the session starts, especially
in NASCAR and INDYCAR.
Actually English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if needed...
I keep my Android devices until they fail (usually via the battery or, inA: Approx 5 years
the case of my current el-cheapo daily drive, the USB port is failing due
to me sleeping on it while charging), but I wonder about your experiences.
Q: How long did you keep your penultimate phone before replacing it?
Q: How long have you kept your current phone, to date?A: 5.5 Years
Q: When do you reasonably plan on replacing it, and why?A: ASAP, it's getting unbearably buggy and unreliable and the battery
On 2026-04-27 18:09, AJL wrote:
English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay
anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker
really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if
needed...
DeepL thinks it is Spanish, and translates as "Osay Ihay, please excuse
me for not being able to attend the meeting." Google thinks it is
Bengali, and translates as "This is not a good thing, it is a bad"
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:[...]
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
It's all about security updates.
What would be useful is if there were another version of android
called restricted android, which just allowed phone calls, text
messaging, maybe nothing else. Then I could switch to that and get
more life out of the phone.
Those are called 'dumb' or 'feature' (and sometimes 'flip') phones
and are still available and can use modern networks (3G/4G/5G). So why
not buy/use one of those and have a better/happier experience?
While the phone is a smart phone, and receiving patches, it is more
useful than a feature phone. But it is a waste to throw it away because
it is no longer patched. I was thinking of some kind of life extension
by downgrading the OS. Probably I would use it as a secondary backup
phone, or give it away. Giving away a phone which is a security hazzard
isn't necessary doing anyone a favour, if you see what I mean.
On 4/27/26 10:30 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
Actually English isn't my first language. Pig Latin is. Osay Ihay avehay >> anhay xcuseay orfay otnay owingknay atthay ordway. Wow, my spell checker >> really went nuts with that sentence. Give Google a try for translation if >> needed...
I think there are some errors in your Pig Latin, but I got the
message.
Perhaps that's because it's not a written language?
But perhaps inconsistency is one of the properties of Pig
Latin?
Pig Latin is best used to make grandkids smile. Well, not all. My 41 year
old granddaughter looks at me like I'm nuts when I talk to her using it...
I guess that makes Frank smarter than Google cause he decoded it.
If - when the phone is no longer getting any security/OS updates - you
only use it for "phone calls, text messaging", then there is no need for "downgrading the OS". Just remove any stuff you don't use, especially sensitive stuff/apps, and continue to use it. If you take normal
precautions like locking the phone, making it remotely findable/
wipeable, etc., there should be no problem.
What would be useful is if there were another version of android called
restricted android, which just allowed phone calls, text messaging,
maybe nothing else. Then I could switch to that and get more life out of
the phone.
Maybe you could by deleting every app you can except the phone dialler and SMS app.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
If - when the phone is no longer getting any security/OS updates -
you only use it for "phone calls, text messaging", then there is no
need for "downgrading the OS". Just remove any stuff you don't use,
especially sensitive stuff/apps, and continue to use it. If you take
normal precautions like locking the phone, making it remotely
findable/ wipeable, etc., there should be no problem.
I didn't understand at all how "downgrading the OS" was supposed to
work, but maybe I didn't understand. If I have Android 13 (which I do)
and if my full support period ended last year, what would downgrading
to Android 12 do for me? Did I misunderstand what 'downgrading the os'
means?
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