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On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 22:15:21 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E189QG28rnE

Meh.

Firstly, it's part two of a series (it's really a follow-up to
NoClip's earlier piece* on the developers, MachineGames. And secondly,
it's almost entirely about the new, MODERN Wolfenstein games with very
little attention given to the first six titles in the franchise. And
while I've played all the games, they never really ranked all that
high in my opinion.

I guess it's a good video; the NoClip documentaries usually are. I
just don't find the TOPIC they are focused on worthy of watching. ;-)

(Also --and I know it's only the tiniest part of the hour-long
documentary so its really nitpicky to focus on such a minor issue, but
deal with it, that's just me-- I disagree with their opening
assumption that Wolfenstein 3D created the 3D-shooter genre. It
certainly pushed it forward, and was extremely popular, but many games
of the style predated it. Carmack and Id's biggest achievement wasn't
creating the genre or mechanics; it was making the rendering so fast
and smooth).






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On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 10:52:25 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 22:15:21 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E189QG28rnE

Meh.

Agreed. My final reaction was, "Wow, what a bunch of idiots these guys
are." I'm glad I never played New Colossus; it looks gross and that scene
with Hitler is unhinged. I'm not surprised they came up with the idea
that it should be anatomically correct. I *am* surprised that they cut
it. (See what I did there? Only a Jew would be "cut.")

I never once considered that they took BJ Blaskowicz's character
seriously. I mean... really?! His name is Blaskowicz, ffs. That they
thought they turned his "disembodied head" into something meaningful...
just wow. And how did they miss "Return" (2001)? It's not like that head
hadn't gotten an update.

Somehow NoClip totally missed this?

Firstly, it's part two of a series (it's really a follow-up to
NoClip's earlier piece* on the developers, MachineGames. And secondly,
it's almost entirely about the new, MODERN Wolfenstein games with very
little attention given to the first six titles in the franchise. And
while I've played all the games, they never really ranked all that
high in my opinion.

Yeah. The games were short, heavy on narrative, and pretentious. I
enjoyed the first one, excepting some tedious parts, and especially when
I ran out of ammo shooting up a cinematic sequence where, inexplicably,
you could shoot at an invincible enemy (I think it was a huge mech) when
the only solution was to run from it. I got stuck behind a checkpoint
once I ran and barely made it forward by efficiently capping two Nazis
and grabbing their ammo with something like 3 bullets in my clip. It took
three or four tries though.

And it was over all too quickly. No replay value due to linearity.

I was also disappointed that this was about Gearbox. New Order had a
beautiful, sexy set of graphics at the time with IDTech 5 megatextures,
but OTOH, they actually decided to do it with IDTech 5 megatextures,
which were terrible. No wonder they had to cut detail to fit it on a BD.

Like I said, "What a bunch of idiots." Did they play RAGE?

I guess it's a good video; the NoClip documentaries usually are. I
just don't find the TOPIC they are focused on worthy of watching. ;-)

The only thing I enjoyed was the part where they had to purchase a new
computer to open their ridiculous mo-cap file. That was hilarious.
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 13:11:18 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 10:52:25 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 22:15:21 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E189QG28rnE

Meh.

Agreed. My final reaction was, "Wow, what a bunch of idiots these guys
are." I'm glad I never played New Colossus; it looks gross and that scene >with Hitler is unhinged. I'm not surprised they came up with the idea
that it should be anatomically correct. I *am* surprised that they cut
it. (See what I did there? Only a Jew would be "cut.")

I never once considered that they took BJ Blaskowicz's character
seriously. I mean... really?! His name is Blaskowicz, ffs. That they
thought they turned his "disembodied head" into something meaningful...
just wow. And how did they miss "Return" (2001)? It's not like that head >hadn't gotten an update.

Somehow NoClip totally missed this?

Firstly, it's part two of a series (it's really a follow-up to
NoClip's earlier piece* on the developers, MachineGames. And secondly,
it's almost entirely about the new, MODERN Wolfenstein games with very >>little attention given to the first six titles in the franchise. And
while I've played all the games, they never really ranked all that
high in my opinion.

Yeah. The games were short, heavy on narrative, and pretentious. I
enjoyed the first one, excepting some tedious parts, and especially when
I ran out of ammo shooting up a cinematic sequence where, inexplicably,
you could shoot at an invincible enemy (I think it was a huge mech) when
the only solution was to run from it. I got stuck behind a checkpoint
once I ran and barely made it forward by efficiently capping two Nazis
and grabbing their ammo with something like 3 bullets in my clip. It took >three or four tries though.

And it was over all too quickly. No replay value due to linearity.

I was also disappointed that this was about Gearbox. New Order had a >beautiful, sexy set of graphics at the time with IDTech 5 megatextures,
but OTOH, they actually decided to do it with IDTech 5 megatextures,
which were terrible. No wonder they had to cut detail to fit it on a BD.

Like I said, "What a bunch of idiots." Did they play RAGE?

I guess it's a good video; the NoClip documentaries usually are. I
just don't find the TOPIC they are focused on worthy of watching. ;-)

The only thing I enjoyed was the part where they had to purchase a new >computer to open their ridiculous mo-cap file. That was hilarious.

I found the cutscenes less objectionable. My biggest complaint with
the game was how disjointed it felt with regards to the
narrative/cutscenes and the gameplay. It was an issue I had with all
of the MachineGames Wolfenstein titles.

On the one hand, they play the game completely seriously. They show
the horrors of the super-Nazi dominated world. It's a grey, depressing
place, and the characters are all miserable. Blazcowicz is constantly monologuing to himself about his exhaustion and the misery of the
world. It wants you to THINK about what war and racism and all that is
really about

But then you have the gameplay, which is balls-to-the-wall frenetic
ha-ha-ha isn't-it-fun-to-watch-people-explode comic-book action that a
revels in its stupidity; it all but demands you turn off your brain.

I always found the conflict between the two viewpoints irresolvable.
They didn't complement each other; they made each part of the game
--the gameplay, and the narrative-- the weaker for their combination.

That said, I had absolutely no issue with the Hitler scene in "New
Collossus". I'm with Mel Brooks on this: Nazi's _need_ to be shown as ridiculous. It strips fascists of their power when they're laughed at.
And showing Adolf as the syphillitic, insane asshole who pisses
himself is A-OK in my book.


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On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 16:44:49 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

It wants you to THINK about what war and racism and all that is
really about

Yeah. Because FPS gaming's strength is provoking insightful thought. :^)

Followed by BOOM BOOM exploding HEAD ("Headshot") BOOM! Blood everywhere.

[Kill the little sister? Drink all that delicious ADAM. YES/NO?]

We've been here before. You said it yourself, how disjointed the game
was. There is a reason for that. It *can't be done*. Not when the core
gameplay is wanton, indiscriminate violence perpetrated on dehumanized
targets. The more gibs, the better.

Not that it isn't enjoyable. Just, as soon as you get to those parts, any concept of empathy and/or insight go out the window. It's the
psychological version of flushing the impactful cut-scenes down the
mental toilet.

So, will you be here all month? Should I try the fish? ;^)
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and to utter freely according to conscience, above
all other liberties. ~John Milton
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