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On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 9:44:27 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2023-12-17 16:38, Thomas E. wrote:

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16
11:30, Thomas E. wrote:

He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021
and not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula
Continental once.

BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a
new provider unless I can find a free one.

Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
financial affairs...

...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
posting.

Eternal September, Little Shit.

My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season
champ too) and you were out until the last weekend when
he did not race. You did not race against him. Very
convenient.

My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April
of 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no
symptoms until it was far FAR too late to do anything about
it.

So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty
much the entire racing season.

Unacknowledged here...

...but you KNEW that...

...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
coming out because Alan McColl came back.

Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.

What a pissant you are.

I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep
myself "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't
sign up for races based on who is going to be there.

OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had
nothing to do with your improved performance. Then it was
the better car, not you, that was responsible. You said
so yourself, remember?

What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?

I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience
with paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not
a great experience. Missing posts, and short histories.
Got one you would recommend?

"I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
free one."

As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another
reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.

And here we go again.

Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due
to an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who
first brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason
or two" is you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside
from me commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were
more easily obtained.

As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate
that it somehow made me faster on the track.

No response? Shocking.

No balls.

As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but
I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races
where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and
DNF instances. By year:

Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3
4 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2

Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%

If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
months and race number. There are only OW races.

There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of
shit.

I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I
wouldn't be finishing ahead of someone with much more
experience.

But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished,
the results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't
even get it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you
want to class me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily
declare Dave "elite".

Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:

I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.

I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both
finished.

Couldn't address this, huh?

You lack any integrity.

None at all.

So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even
he will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver
trying a suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year,
the results could very well have gone the other way.

The last few years are not the only times you have not raced
on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the
resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did
your family contribute to the new #21?

Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea
my family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
purchases, you lying sack of shit?

Oh, I forgot this little bit of weasel bullshit.

Have you got anything to back up your insinuations, pissant?

Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5
out of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than
your overall record and not much better than 2014-2015.
Apparently, years of experience did not do much for you. There is
an old saying, when deep in a hole maybe you better stop
digging.

Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make
yourself look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad.
Like 2016 and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging
it into the equivalent of a championship season. How do we know
if 2019 was an off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not
race in 2019, so no other benchmark.

Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced
in an even more modern FF than mine...

...and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind
me every time.

Didn't address this either.

BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see
how even Dave and I actually were.

There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.

In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less
than a second; 4 of them less than half a second.

The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366
seconds, or 0.196 seconds per lap...

...in my favour.

Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone
who disagrees as a liar.

I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.

You worked to earn that.

Well, well, in 6 hours you accuse of not answering.

What the hell does that even mean, Liarboy?

It's one thing to
run fast laps, it's another to come in ahead of other drivers. What
you just proved is that you can run faster laps than McKay, but the results say that he finishes ahead of you 75% of the time.

Your own argument is that it was 68%, Liarboy...

...but the actual number was 9 times he finished ahead of when we both finished (I had a DNF on July 28 you miscounted) and 5 times when I
finished ahead of him. 9/14 is 64%.

That
PROVES that Dave is the better RACE driver.

I never said he wasn't, Liarboy. But when we're both winning races
against each other and on balance I was farther ahead (and on the same
track under the same conditions, my best lap was a full 0.7
seconds--almost 1%——better than his), it does suggest parity to anyone without an ax to grind.

I am not accepting your
cherry-picked data.

Look it up yourself:

<https://speedhive.mylaps.com>

But, I am willing to admit that McKay is not the
same standard as Floer and McColl. So, I am demoting McKay to the top
of the second tier and you are now #2 second best tier driver.

But you've been insisting he's top tier.

And until you realized that I regularly beat Olov, you were insisting HE
was top tier, too.

Weird, huh?

If I beat Doug next year, will he become "second tier" too?

But this has always been about your bullshit, uniformed, ignorant claim
that I'm not any good at all. Must I go back and provide the quotes, asshole?

:-)

LOL. Fast laps and qualifying positions don't win races or championship points. IF you race next year AND beat Floer or McColl on a regular basis you will join that elite group. I'll send you an email.
Why does what I think even matter to you anyway?
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On 2023-12-21 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 9:44:27 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2023-12-17 16:38, Thomas E. wrote:

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16
11:30, Thomas E. wrote:

He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021
and not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula
Continental once.

BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a
new provider unless I can find a free one.

Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
financial affairs...

...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
posting.

Eternal September, Little Shit.

My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season
champ too) and you were out until the last weekend when
he did not race. You did not race against him. Very
convenient.

My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April
of 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no
symptoms until it was far FAR too late to do anything about
it.

So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty
much the entire racing season.

Unacknowledged here...

...but you KNEW that...

...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
coming out because Alan McColl came back.

Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.

What a pissant you are.

I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep
myself "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't
sign up for races based on who is going to be there.

OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had
nothing to do with your improved performance. Then it was
the better car, not you, that was responsible. You said
so yourself, remember?

What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?

I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience
with paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not
a great experience. Missing posts, and short histories.
Got one you would recommend?

"I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
free one."

As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another
reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.

And here we go again.

Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due
to an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who
first brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason
or two" is you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside
from me commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were
more easily obtained.

As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate
that it somehow made me faster on the track.

No response? Shocking.

No balls.

As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but
I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races
where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and
DNF instances. By year:

Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3
4 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2

Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%

If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
months and race number. There are only OW races.

There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of
shit.

I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I
wouldn't be finishing ahead of someone with much more
experience.

But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished,
the results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't
even get it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you
want to class me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily
declare Dave "elite".

Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:

I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.

I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both
finished.

Couldn't address this, huh?

You lack any integrity.

None at all.

So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even
he will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver
trying a suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year,
the results could very well have gone the other way.

The last few years are not the only times you have not raced
on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the
resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did
your family contribute to the new #21?

Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea
my family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
purchases, you lying sack of shit?

Oh, I forgot this little bit of weasel bullshit.

Have you got anything to back up your insinuations, pissant?

Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5
out of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than
your overall record and not much better than 2014-2015.
Apparently, years of experience did not do much for you. There is
an old saying, when deep in a hole maybe you better stop
digging.

Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make
yourself look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad.
Like 2016 and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging
it into the equivalent of a championship season. How do we know
if 2019 was an off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not
race in 2019, so no other benchmark.

Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced
in an even more modern FF than mine...

...and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind
me every time.

Didn't address this either.

BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see
how even Dave and I actually were.

There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.

In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less
than a second; 4 of them less than half a second.

The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366
seconds, or 0.196 seconds per lap...

...in my favour.

Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone
who disagrees as a liar.

I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.

You worked to earn that.

Well, well, in 6 hours you accuse of not answering.

What the hell does that even mean, Liarboy?

It's one thing to
run fast laps, it's another to come in ahead of other drivers. What
you just proved is that you can run faster laps than McKay, but the
results say that he finishes ahead of you 75% of the time.

Your own argument is that it was 68%, Liarboy...

...but the actual number was 9 times he finished ahead of when we both
finished (I had a DNF on July 28 you miscounted) and 5 times when I
finished ahead of him. 9/14 is 64%.

That
PROVES that Dave is the better RACE driver.

I never said he wasn't, Liarboy. But when we're both winning races
against each other and on balance I was farther ahead (and on the same
track under the same conditions, my best lap was a full 0.7
seconds--almost 1%——better than his), it does suggest parity to anyone >> without an ax to grind.

I am not accepting your
cherry-picked data.

Look it up yourself:

<https://speedhive.mylaps.com>

But, I am willing to admit that McKay is not the
same standard as Floer and McColl. So, I am demoting McKay to the top
of the second tier and you are now #2 second best tier driver.

But you've been insisting he's top tier.

And until you realized that I regularly beat Olov, you were insisting HE
was top tier, too.

Weird, huh?

If I beat Doug next year, will he become "second tier" too?

But this has always been about your bullshit, uniformed, ignorant claim
that I'm not any good at all. Must I go back and provide the quotes,
asshole?

:-)

LOL. Fast laps and qualifying positions don't win races or championship points. IF you race next year AND beat Floer or McColl on a regular basis you will join that elite group. I'll send you an email.
Why does what I think even matter to you anyway?

It amuses me, Liarboy.

I love how you twist yourself into knots trying to avoid the obvious.
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On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2023-12-21 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 9:44:27 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2023-12-17 16:38, Thomas E. wrote:

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2023-12-16 17:09, Thomas Elam wrote:

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> What a true piece of shit you are, Thomas Elam. On 2023-12-16

11:30, Thomas E. wrote:

He literally has not raced once in Formula F since 2021 >>>>>>>>>> and not at all since 2022 when he raced in Formula
Continental once.

BTW, I see that Google Groups posting is being
discontinued as of 2/15/24. I'll not be moving to a
new provider unless I can find a free one.

Wow. You brag about how well you've organized your
financial affairs...

...but a few bucks a month is going to stop you from
posting.

Eternal September, Little Shit.

My point was that in 2021 Alan did come back (season
champ too) and you were out until the last weekend when
he did not race. You did not race against him. Very
convenient.

My younger brother was diagnosed with cancer in early April >>>>>>>> of 2021, Little Shit. Esophageal cancer that had no
symptoms until it was far FAR too late to do anything about >>>>>>>> it.

So my life had a few other things to occupy it for pretty
much the entire racing season.

Unacknowledged here...

...but you KNEW that...

...and instead chose to "forget" it and imagine that I avoided
coming out because Alan McColl came back.

Step up, Liarboy. Admit the truth.

What a pissant you are.

I signed up for the final race of the year just to keep
myself "current" for getting a racing license, and I don't
sign up for races based on who is going to be there.

OK, just for argument let's say the Honda engine had
nothing to do with your improved performance. Then it was >>>>>>>>> the better car, not you, that was responsible. You said
so yourself, remember?

What exactly did I say? I remember, but do you?

I can easily afford to pay for Usenet. Past experience
with paying via NewsAgent or something like that was not
a great experience. Missing posts, and short histories.
Got one you would recommend?

"I'll not be moving to a new provider unless I can find a
free one."

As I recall you said the car was lighter and maybe another
reason or two you bought it, like it had Honda power.

And here we go again.

Yes: it was lighter. The first car I bought was overweight due
to an extensive rebuild after a serious crash by the owner who
first brought it to Canada in 1990 or 1991. The "other reason
or two" is you inventing more shit out of the whole cloth aside >>>>>> from me commenting that I wanted a car where spare parts were
more easily obtained.

As for the Honda, this is you once again trying to insinuate
that it somehow made me faster on the track.

No response? Shocking.

No balls.

As for your record against Dave McKay. It took some time, but >>>>>>> I calculate 2013-2023 you finished ahead in 13 of 51 races
where you both started and finished. I excluded all DNS and
DNF instances. By year:

Year Baker McKay 2022 0 0 2021 0 0 2020 0 0 2019 6 10 2018 3
4 2017 0 7 2016 0 4 2015 3 8 2014 1 3 2013 0 2

Totals 13 38 13/51*100%=25%

If you wish to dispute please supply numbers including year,
months and race number. There are only OW races.

There's nothing that needs to be disputed, you lying sack of
shit.

I started racing in 2013. It's hardly surprising that I
wouldn't be finishing ahead of someone with much more
experience.

But just for the record, in 2019, when both of us finished,
the results were 10 for Dave to 5 times for me, so you can't
even get it right when you're trying to denigrate me. But you
want to class me as some kind of "also-ran" where you happily
declare Dave "elite".

Well in those meetings, in sessions where we both set a time:

I out-qualified Dave 10 times of of 14.

I had the faster race lap in 12 of the 15 races we both
finished.

Couldn't address this, huh?

You lack any integrity.

None at all.

So, yes: Dave beat me fair and square over the season, but even >>>>>> he will admit that if I hadn't been taken out by a driver
trying a suicide dive bomb on the second weekend of the year,
the results could very well have gone the other way.

The last few years are not the only times you have not raced
on a regular basis liarboy! Must be terrible to not have the
resources to be in the fray on a regular basis. How much did
your family contribute to the new #21?

Where, other than your fevered imagination, do you get the idea >>>>>> my family as contributed anything to either of my racing car
purchases, you lying sack of shit?

Oh, I forgot this little bit of weasel bullshit.

Have you got anything to back up your insinuations, pissant?

Right, I counted one of Dave's DNS as a win for you. So it was 5
out of 16, 32% for you and 68% for Dave. Not much better than
your overall record and not much better than 2014-2015.
Apparently, years of experience did not do much for you. There is >>>>> an old saying, when deep in a hole maybe you better stop
digging.

Yes, that is your pattern of lies. Cherry pick data to make
yourself look good, leaving out anything that makes you look bad. >>>>> Like 2016 and 2017. Like trying to turn one fast lap and bragging >>>>> it into the equivalent of a championship season. How do we know
if 2019 was an off year for Dave or not? We don't. Floer did not
race in 2019, so no other benchmark.

Darren Grandbois (the previous year's Formula Vee champion) raced
in an even more modern FF than mine...

...and in the 5 races where we both finished, he finished behind
me every time.

Didn't address this either.

BTW, I did a little figuring, and it's hilarious that you can't see >>>> how even Dave and I actually were.

There were 14 races Dave and I both completed, totalling 211 laps.

In 5 of those races, the difference in our finishing times was less >>>> than a second; 4 of them less than half a second.

The aggregate difference in our finishes was a total of 41.366
seconds, or 0.196 seconds per lap...

...in my favour.

Then too there is your long-standing tactic of branding anyone
who disagrees as a liar.

I brand liars "liar", Liarboy.

You worked to earn that.

Well, well, in 6 hours you accuse of not answering.

What the hell does that even mean, Liarboy?

It's one thing to
run fast laps, it's another to come in ahead of other drivers. What
you just proved is that you can run faster laps than McKay, but the
results say that he finishes ahead of you 75% of the time.

Your own argument is that it was 68%, Liarboy...

...but the actual number was 9 times he finished ahead of when we both
finished (I had a DNF on July 28 you miscounted) and 5 times when I
finished ahead of him. 9/14 is 64%.

That
PROVES that Dave is the better RACE driver.

I never said he wasn't, Liarboy. But when we're both winning races
against each other and on balance I was farther ahead (and on the same
track under the same conditions, my best lap was a full 0.7
seconds--almost 1%——better than his), it does suggest parity to anyone
without an ax to grind.

I am not accepting your
cherry-picked data.

Look it up yourself:

<https://speedhive.mylaps.com>

But, I am willing to admit that McKay is not the
same standard as Floer and McColl. So, I am demoting McKay to the top >>> of the second tier and you are now #2 second best tier driver.

But you've been insisting he's top tier.

And until you realized that I regularly beat Olov, you were insisting HE >> was top tier, too.

Weird, huh?

If I beat Doug next year, will he become "second tier" too?

But this has always been about your bullshit, uniformed, ignorant claim >> that I'm not any good at all. Must I go back and provide the quotes,
asshole?

:-)

LOL. Fast laps and qualifying positions don't win races or championship points. IF you race next year AND beat Floer or McColl on a regular basis you will join that elite group. I'll send you an email.
Why does what I think even matter to you anyway?

It amuses me, Liarboy.

I love how you twist yourself into knots trying to avoid the obvious.

All of Tom's backflips reminds me of an issue I had on a project some years ago.
The customer wanted a product "equal or better" than a benchmark one, and to do that,
they identified four (4) performance measures to all be equal/better. The problem they had
was that all of the metrics were simply different statistical methods to measure the same
performance metric. That means that for any random test where the candidate product was
exactly "equal", they only had a (.50)^4 probability of all four measures simultaneously passing
(because it was four "coin flips"), which meant that they had a (1-(.50)^4) = 93.75% probability
of rejecting their desired "equal or better" product. Oops.
-hh
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