• Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.

    From Alan@nunya@biz.net to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Apr 1 17:45:29 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
    all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
    complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
    scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

    Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
    systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
    uses, but...

    ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
    broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

    I opened Settings...

    ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

    ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

    Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
    idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control Panel...

    ...and still nothing.

    So I check online and would you look at that:

    The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
    Windows is...

    ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!
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  • From David Brooks@applefanboy@btinternet.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Apr 2 09:27:56 2024
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    On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
    I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
    all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

    Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
    systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
    uses, but...

    ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

    I opened Settings...

    ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

    ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

    Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
    idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control Panel...

    ...and still nothing.

    So I check online and would you look at that:

    The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in Windows is...

    ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

    I found this - it confirms what you claim!

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2

    It also provides a solution.

    =

    Is you M3 MacBook Air now 'up and running'?
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  • From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Apr 2 15:20:13 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
    On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
    I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
    all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
    complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
    scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

    Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
    systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
    uses, but...

    ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
    broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

    I opened Settings...

    ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

    ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

    Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
    idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control
    Panel...

    ...and still nothing.

    So I check online and would you look at that:

    The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
    Windows is...

    ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

    I found this - it confirms what you claim!

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2

    It also provides a solution.

    =

    Is you M3 MacBook Air now 'up and running'?


    No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
    ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.
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  • From -hh@recscuba_google@huntzinger.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sat Apr 6 19:34:46 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
    On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
    I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
    all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
    complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
    scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

    Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
    systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
    uses, but...

    ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
    broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

    I opened Settings...

    ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

    ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

    Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
    idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control >>> Panel...

    ...and still nothing.

    So I check online and would you look at that:

    The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
    Windows is...

    ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

    I found this - it confirms what you claim!

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2

    It also provides a solution.
    ...

    No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
    ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.

    There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't changeable
    (see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within computer
    software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.

    Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems likely that MS paid attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control of the
    wheel. Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?

    -hh
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  • From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 7 14:50:02 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 23:34 this Saturday (GMT):
    On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday (GMT): >>> On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
    I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering >>>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
    complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
    scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

    Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
    systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment >>>> uses, but...

    ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the >>>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

    I opened Settings...

    ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

    ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

    Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
    idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control >>>> Panel...

    ...and still nothing.

    So I check online and would you look at that:

    The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
    Windows is...

    ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

    I found this - it confirms what you claim!

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2

    It also provides a solution.
    ...

    No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
    ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.

    There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't changeable (see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within computer software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.

    Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems likely that MS paid attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control of the wheel. Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?

    -hh


    Probably, but it still kinda sucks to not have the option.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 7 16:01:00 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-04-06 19:34, -hh wrote:
    On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday
    (GMT):
    On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
    I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering >>>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
    complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
    scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

    Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
    systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment >>>> uses, but...

    ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the >>>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

    I opened Settings...

    ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

    ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

    Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
    idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked
    Control
    Panel...

    ...and still nothing.

    So I check online and would you look at that:

    The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
    Windows is...

    ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

    I found this - it confirms what you claim!

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2

    It also provides a solution.
    ...

    No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
    ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.

    There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't changeable (see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within computer software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.

    Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems  likely that MS paid attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control of the wheel.  Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?

    If MS paid attention how many people inverted a control they can only
    invert on Windows, H?

    Would that be a little bit like paying attention to the number of users
    that used a mouse back when MS-DOS had no support for one?

    :-)

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  • From -hh@recscuba_google@huntzinger.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Apr 10 19:07:03 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 4/7/24 4:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-04-06 19:34, -hh wrote:
    On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday
    (GMT):
    On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
    I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering >>>>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to >>>>> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the >>>>> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

    Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
    systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment >>>>> uses, but...

    ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the >>>>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

    I opened Settings...

    ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

    ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

    Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
    idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked
    Control
    Panel...

    ...and still nothing.

    So I check online and would you look at that:

    The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in >>>>> Windows is...

    ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

    I found this - it confirms what you claim!

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2

    It also provides a solution.
    ...

    No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
    ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.

    There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't
    changeable (see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within
    computer software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.

    Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems  likely that MS
    paid attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control
    of the wheel.  Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?

    If MS paid attention how many people inverted a control they can only
    invert on Windows, H?

    I think it really comes down to how many MS software developers actually
    want that feature for themselves, such that they'll DIY it (or put in
    the change request, etc).


    Would that be a little bit like paying attention to the number of users
    that used a mouse back when MS-DOS had no support for one?

    :-)


    More like how Apple's Disk Utility abolished its ability to support RAID
    in one of the OSX updates ... and then was surprised that their
    tech-savvy customers screamed.

    -hh
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  • From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 11 14:50:14 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 23:07 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 4/7/24 4:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    [snip]
    If MS paid attention how many people inverted a control they can only
    invert on Windows, H?

    I think it really comes down to how many MS software developers actually want that feature for themselves, such that they'll DIY it (or put in
    the change request, etc).


    Would that be a little bit like paying attention to the number of users
    that used a mouse back when MS-DOS had no support for one?

    :-)


    More like how Apple's Disk Utility abolished its ability to support RAID
    in one of the OSX updates ... and then was surprised that their
    tech-savvy customers screamed.

    -hh


    Even regular user features get removed... like WinAero and Gadgets.
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