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Richi Jennings:
*Apple API Allows Wi-Fi AP Location Tracking*
"Apple location service returns far more data than it should.
To people who have no business knowing it. And without your permission."

<https://securityboulevard.com/2024/05/apple-wi-fi-location-privacy-richixbw/>
"I have never seen new computers out of the box that phone home
more than Apple computers."
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On 2025-12-14 23:34, Marian wrote:

Richi Jennings:
*Apple API Allows Wi-Fi AP Location Tracking*
 "Apple location service returns far more data than it should.
  To people who have no business knowing it. And without your permission."

<https://securityboulevard.com/2024/05/apple-wi-fi-location-privacy- richixbw/>
 "I have never seen new computers out of the box that phone home
  more than Apple computers."

Where he literally mentions nothing about any information that Apple
computers actually "phone home".

Maybe because the original source for that text...

<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40435115>

...doesn't mention it either.

Why are the random words some random poster on "Hacker News" (
1vuio0pswjnm7) somehow of value.

Moreover:

Why did you attribute them to Richi Jennings, when all he did was QUOTE
THEM?


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On Dec 15, 2025 at 5:41:38 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-12-14 23:34, Marian wrote:

Richi Jennings:
*Apple API Allows Wi-Fi AP Location Tracking*
"Apple location service returns far more data than it should.
To people who have no business knowing it. And without your permission." >>
<https://securityboulevard.com/2024/05/apple-wi-fi-location-privacy-richixbw/>
"I have never seen new computers out of the box that phone home
more than Apple computers."

Where he literally mentions nothing about any information that Apple computers actually "phone home".

Maybe because the original source for that text...

<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40435115>

...doesn't mention it either.

Why are the random words some random poster on "Hacker News" (
1vuio0pswjnm7) somehow of value.

Moreover:

Why did you attribute them to Richi Jennings, when all he did was QUOTE
THEM?

Because - AGAIN - Arlen never reads the links he posts to "support" his absurd-claim-of-the-day. And who is "Richi Jennings" and why should I care
what he says?

"The researchers said … they could monitor how Wi-Fi access points moved over
time. Why might that be a big deal? … They were able to determine the location
and movement of Starlink devices used by both Ukrainian and Russian forces. "

Those are MOBILE access points. That is why this is used as THE example.
Yes they could track those. But it also could be used to give false info to the enemy. Germany was convinced that the D-DAY attack would be at Calais,
not Normandy. Why? Because the Allies sent out LOTS of fake radio messages (that they knew Germany could decipher) that made it look like Calais was the location.

AGAIN, home routers are NOT mobile. Knowing that mac address xxxxxxxx is at xxxxxxx location (or across the street or next door) does not tell you who lives there. If it later shows up 1,000 miles away does not prove that
someone moved. They could have just bought a new router and sold the old one
on eBay. All it proves is the router moved. BFD.

All of this nonsense is literally a tempest in a tea cup. I have been in this house for 20 years. I am now on my 4th router here. What does that say about who lives here? Did I move 3 times?

As usual, Arlen has no idea what he is babbling about.
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Tyrone wrote:

All of this nonsense is literally a tempest in a tea cup.

You Apple trolls always claim all Apple's faults are no big deal.
Yet, none of you Apple trolls even understands it before you excuse it.

What none of you Apple trolls understands though, is something as simple as
the fact that your router's AP, if you take it with you when you move, will show up in Apple's WPS database as having moved to your new location.

This is tracking your movements whether or not Apple trolls understand it.
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On 2025-12-15 20:23, Marian wrote:

Tyrone wrote:

All of this nonsense is literally a tempest in a tea cup.

You Apple trolls always claim all Apple's faults are no big deal.
Yet, none of you Apple trolls even understands it before you excuse it.

What none of you Apple trolls understands though, is something as simple as the fact that your router's AP, if you take it with you when you move, will show up in Apple's WPS database as having moved to your new location.

This is tracking your movements whether or not Apple trolls understand it.

I note that you cut away all the facts about you posting that someone
said something he did not say.
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On Dec 15, 2025 at 11:23:47 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

Tyrone wrote:

All of this nonsense is literally a tempest in a tea cup.

This is tracking your movements whether or not Apple trolls understand it.

No, it is tracking the movement of the router. You don't know my real name
AND you don't know where I live.

AND, which is more likely? I bought a new router and sold the old one? Or I bought a new house and sold the old one?

You are the only stupid Apple Troll here. That you think the MAC address of a router identifies ME is beyond preposterous.

You would have better luck tracking the MAC address of my iPhone. Except that my name is not attached to THAT either. It is a work phone, and the monthly bill is paid by the company. So only the company name is attached to it.

Do yourself a favor. Go back to claiming that Apple sends out the entire iOS for every update, even if only 1 line of code was changed. It is totally and obviously wrong AND just another absurd-claim-of-the-day for you. But at least it is theoretically possible.

Speaking of which, I have 2 updates available on an M1 iPad Pro. One is for iPadOS 18.7.3. It is a 433.8MB download. The other is iPadOS 26.2. It is a 6.1GB download. Given your above absurd-claim-of-the-day, how do you explain the VAST size difference?
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On Dec 16, 2025 at 3:30:34 AM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-12-15 20:23, Marian wrote:

Tyrone wrote:

All of this nonsense is literally a tempest in a tea cup.

You Apple trolls always claim all Apple's faults are no big deal.
Yet, none of you Apple trolls even understands it before you excuse it.

What none of you Apple trolls understands though, is something as simple as >> the fact that your router's AP, if you take it with you when you move, will >> show up in Apple's WPS database as having moved to your new location.

This is tracking your movements whether or not Apple trolls understand it.

I note that you cut away all the facts about you posting that someone
said something he did not say.

SHOCKING.
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Tyrone wrote:

I note that you cut away all the facts about you posting that someone
said something he did not say.

SHOCKING.

Could any computer device possibly phone home more than Apple iOS devices?

Anyone who knows anything about iOS knows it's designed as a dumb terminal.

It barely functions if it's not constantly phoning back to Cupertino
servers. Worse, without Cupertino's servers, it falls apart in that not
only do its apps stop working, one by one, but you can't update them.

These are all facts that Tyrone doesn't know, so he calls it "shocking".
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On 2025-12-18 15:56, Marian wrote:

Tyrone wrote:

I note that you cut away all the facts about you posting that someone
said something he did not say.

SHOCKING.

Could any computer device possibly phone home more than Apple iOS devices?

You've yet to demonstrate in this thread that iOS devices phone home at all.

Anyone who knows anything about iOS knows it's designed as a dumb terminal.

False.

It barely functions if it's not constantly phoning back to Cupertino
servers.

Utterly false.

Worse, without Cupertino's servers, it falls apart in that not
only do its apps stop working, one by one, but you can't update them.

These are all facts that Tyrone doesn't know, so he calls it "shocking".

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On Dec 18, 2025 at 6:56:36 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

Tyrone wrote:

I note that you cut away all the facts about you posting that someone
said something he did not say.

SHOCKING.

Snip more utter bullshit.

These are all facts that Tyrone doesn't know, so he calls it "shocking".

Not facts, just your delusions. Which are no longer shocking. BTW, that's not what I was calling "shocking". Try reading it again.

Idiot.
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Tyrone wrote:

Idiot.

And yet, you Apple trolls have absolutely no idea how iOS devices work.

You Apple trolls don't even realize they're designed as dumb terminals.

You can't understand anything about iOS when you can't even understand something as obvious as that fact.
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Tyrone wrote:

On Dec 15, 2025 at 11:23:47 PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:

Tyrone wrote:

All of this nonsense is literally a tempest in a tea cup.

This is tracking your movements whether or not Apple trolls understand it.

No, it is tracking the movement of the router. You don't know my real name AND you don't know where I live.

AND, which is more likely? I bought a new router and sold the old one? Or I bought a new house and sold the old one?

You are the only stupid Apple Troll here. That you think the MAC address of a router identifies ME is beyond preposterous.

You would have better luck tracking the MAC address of my iPhone. Except that
my name is not attached to THAT either. It is a work phone, and the monthly bill is paid by the company. So only the company name is attached to it.

Do yourself a favor. Go back to claiming that Apple sends out the entire iOS for every update, even if only 1 line of code was changed. It is totally and obviously wrong AND just another absurd-claim-of-the-day for you. But at least
it is theoretically possible.

Speaking of which, I have 2 updates available on an M1 iPad Pro. One is for iPadOS 18.7.3. It is a 433.8MB download. The other is iPadOS 26.2. It is a 6.1GB download. Given your above absurd-claim-of-the-day, how do you explain the VAST size difference?

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks. They do not help the discussion and they do not address the technical point I am raising.

The issue here is not whether someone anywhere in the world at any time
knows your name or whether you bought a new router. The issue is that my
access point was both hidden and marked nomap, yet it still appears in
Apple's WPS database with coordinates attached.

That means the system collected and stored the location of a device that explicitly signaled it should not be mapped.

That is a design and implementation question, not a question of identity.

The concern is that anyone in the world can query the database and see the location of an access point just makes that privacy hole worse.

Whether the router belongs to me, you, or anyone else is irrelevant.

The privacy expectation is that nomap and hidden SSIDs prevent this kind of collection. The fact that they do not is the part most worth examining.
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On 2025-12-20, Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks. They do not help the discussion and they do not address the technical point I am raising.

That's fucking rich coming from the dude who regularly slings schoolyard insults. 🤣
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