• I said this was trivial; yet the Apple trolls said it was impossible.

    From Marian@marianjones@helpfulpeople.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Dec 15 05:18:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    I said this was trivial; yet the Apple trolls said it was impossible.

    If we want a radial expansion crawler for Apple's WPS database, do this:
    1. Choose any arbitrary Netgear (00:22:3f) BSSID (e.g., 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33)
    2. Get the whole cluster of 400 BSSID pairs from Apple
    python.exe apple_bssid_locator.py 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 --all
    3. This outputs up to 400 BSSID:GPS pairs near it in the Apple WPS DB
    (see results.txt below)

    Then any BSSID in that cluster (e.g., 34:08:04:cb:b2:a4, D-Link)
    And do it again.

    Choose another BSSID (e.g., 00:23:aa:d9:6b:ca from HFR, Inc.)
    Get another 400.

    Keep repeating (e.g., 28:4E:E9:3F:5F:9F from Mercury Corp.)
    Easily anyone can garner billions of BSSID:AP pairs from Apple's WPS.

    Then all you need to do is track them, en masse.
    If I can do this so easily, anyone can.

    I plotted them using AppleLocator & Fermium open source software.
    python.exe bssidplot.py

    Here is a screenshot of the location of those 400 BSSID:GPS pairs:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/43ysV3Mr/fermium.jpg>

    Here's just the first 400 found, so you can see the BSSID:GPS pairs.
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    271 00:07:89:ca:9f:fb 35.29371643 126.77400207000001
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    273 00:07:89:d7:82:e8 35.292964930000004 126.7747116
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    275 00:08:52:3c:9c:a3 35.29287338 126.77482604000001
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    279 12:96:cd:3a:35:df 35.29302978 126.7745819
    280 12:96:cd:72:cd:ac 35.29304504 126.77478027000001
    281 12:96:cd:c5:52:5c 35.29300308 126.77407836
    282 12:96:cd:ce:f8:59 35.292865750000004 126.77511596000001
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    284 12:09:a5:3b:34:67 35.293590540000004 126.77492523000001
    285 12:09:a5:51:bf:f7 35.29328155 126.7743988
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    293 1c:ec:72:50:6d:3b 35.29362869 126.77480316
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    295 1c:ec:72:58:f4:92 35.2936058 126.77458953
    296 1e:39:29:6a:46:b3 35.29361343 126.7751007
    297 22:23:aa:41:0b:f1 35.29380416 126.77499389
    298 22:28:bc:62:51:86 35.29367828 126.77466583
    299 22:ec:72:58:f1:18 35.29359817 126.77478027000001
    300 22:ec:72:58:f4:92 35.29360198 126.77459716
    301 24:e4:ce:e9:08:5e 35.29356384 126.77487945
    302 24:e8:53:44:16:ac 35.29319763 126.77447509
    303 24:e8:53:83:bb:c8 35.29280471 126.77515411
    304 28:4e:e9:0f:76:93 35.293109890000004 126.77518463
    305 28:6d:97:45:4a:f1 35.29365539 126.7747879
    306 28:6d:97:54:1f:95 35.29356384 126.77507781
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    308 28:6d:97:94:dd:11 35.29353332 126.77497100000001
    309 28:6d:97:d3:39:b0 35.29335784 126.77461242
    310 28:6d:97:ea:1c:91 35.29302978 126.77452087
    311 28:6d:97:fa:4e:21 35.29309463 126.77483367
    312 02:27:1c:c7:a1:d4 35.29340362 126.77513885
    313 2c:e3:8e:8c:e2:40 35.293537130000004 126.77416229
    314 2c:e3:8e:8d:d6:00 35.29319763 126.77423095
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    318 38:f4:5e:1e:ca:ba 35.29366683 126.77496337000001
    319 38:f4:5e:0e:72:4b 35.2929573 126.77411651
    320 3a:f4:5e:1e:ae:54 35.29293823 126.77452087
    321 40:31:3c:9e:30:2a 35.29349136 126.77481842
    322 40:ca:63:31:16:62 35.29356384 126.77497100000001
    323 42:23:aa:47:4a:8e 35.29300308 126.77468872
    324 42:23:aa:8e:a2:6a 35.29364395 126.77470397
    325 42:23:aa:d9:1b:fa 35.29373168 126.7751007
    326 42:2f:86:6c:f7:a6 35.29342651 126.77515411
    327 46:cb:8b:bf:c6:22 35.293254850000004 126.77453613
    328 46:cb:8b:e1:7a:68 35.29336929 126.77529907
    329 04:09:a5:33:3c:1f 35.29300689 126.77457427
    330 04:09:a5:3b:34:67 35.29359817 126.77489471
    331 04:09:a5:51:bf:f7 35.29329299 126.77440643
    332 50:46:ae:74:a1:bd 35.293056480000004 126.77466583
    333 50:46:ae:8c:71:91 35.29356765 126.77516174
    334 50:46:ae:9d:34:99 35.29345321 126.77519226
    335 50:46:ae:d7:ba:f4 35.29364013 126.77487182
    336 50:46:ae:0e:0e:a7 35.293445580000004 126.77497100000001
    337 50:91:e3:95:60:a6 35.292819970000004 126.77423858
    338 50:fd:d5:6e:61:5c 35.29358673 126.77481842
    339 50:fd:d5:82:fc:ab 35.29352188 126.77413177
    340 50:fd:d5:90:27:6f 35.29364395 126.77474212
    341 54:7e:1a:0a:d1:97 35.29342651 126.77449798
    342 5a:7e:1a:0a:d1:97 35.29345703 126.7745285
    343 60:29:d5:00:dd:8f 35.29349517 126.7750473
    344 60:29:d5:01:2f:c4 35.29323959 126.77463531000001
    345 60:29:d5:a7:54:18 35.2928276 126.77506256000001
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    347 62:91:e3:95:60:a6 35.29280853 126.77423858
    348 68:3a:48:1f:65:7e 35.29356002 126.77505493
    349 70:2c:1f:55:eb:a2 35.29368591 126.77475738
    350 70:2c:1f:56:e0:55 35.293518060000004 126.77509307
    351 70:5d:cc:6e:44:56 35.29328918 126.7748413
    352 70:5d:cc:6f:ef:16 35.29357147 126.77500152
    353 70:5d:cc:ad:a6:80 35.29349517 126.77519226
    354 70:5d:cc:c6:50:fe 35.2931137 126.77483367
    355 76:40:be:65:42:a8 35.29277038 126.77419281
    356 80:ca:4b:1b:06:72 35.29290771 126.77441406
    357 80:ca:4b:55:89:7a 35.2935791 126.77481842
    358 1c:ec:72:43:68:57 35.29525756 126.77693939000001
    359 70:5d:cc:52:21:c6 35.29499435 126.77783203
    360 b4:a9:4f:62:c5:e6 35.295158380000004 126.77710723
    361 ba:a9:4f:62:c5:e6 35.2951622 126.77732086
    362 c6:a9:4f:62:c5:e6 35.29518127 126.77729797
    363 00:07:89:3d:bb:7f 35.29569244 126.7743988
    364 12:f4:5e:0b:66:df 35.2950592 126.77472686
    365 1c:e8:9e:ca:d9:47 35.29525375 126.77410888
    366 28:4e:e9:01:ba:b3 35.29596328 126.77406311
    367 28:4e:e9:0d:0d:af 35.29594802 126.77472686
    368 28:6b:b4:03:cd:17 35.29567337 126.77416229
    369 2e:4e:e9:01:ba:b3 35.2959671 126.77399444
    370 2e:4e:e9:0d:0d:af 35.29602813 126.77479553
    371 38:f4:5e:0b:66:df 35.29501724 126.77464294
    372 40:ca:63:bf:f5:ae 35.2952156 126.77403259
    373 50:46:ae:5d:0e:9f 35.29600906 126.77487182
    374 50:46:ae:75:63:80 35.29568481 126.77436065
    375 50:fd:d5:17:93:c6 35.29563522 126.77405548
    376 60:29:d5:b1:81:d5 35.29579544 126.77490997
    377 64:cb:e9:13:8a:9a 35.29558944 126.77423095
    378 70:5d:cc:c9:14:7a 35.29550933 126.77415466000001
    379 88:3c:1c:ab:fc:0b 35.29561614 126.77500152
    380 88:57:1d:0b:82:39 35.29566192 126.77424621
    381 b4:a9:4f:1c:65:fb 35.29603576 126.77462005
    382 b4:a9:4f:02:67:5a 35.29568099 126.77456665
    383 28:6d:97:ae:c2:c8 35.29577255 126.77462005
    384 28:6d:97:f6:fa:f2 35.29536056 126.7746582
    385 28:6d:97:f7:df:11 35.294967650000004 126.77506256000001
    386 3a:5d:dd:df:15:57 35.29603576 126.77470397
    387 50:46:ae:4f:80:d5 35.29581832 126.7747116
    388 50:fd:d5:a5:59:18 35.29528427 126.77491760000001
    389 56:46:ae:4f:80:d5 35.29584503 126.77473449
    390 60:29:d5:63:d3:16 35.29602813 126.77519989
    391 70:2c:1f:86:e5:2e 35.295040130000004 126.77532196
    392 86:25:19:ca:f1:c7 35.29604339 126.77488708
    393 88:36:6c:5d:7f:bc 35.29579544 126.77529144
    394 08:5d:dd:df:15:57 35.29601669 126.7745285
    395 0a:5d:dd:df:15:57 35.29604721 126.77451324
    396 bc:10:2f:7f:ba:0b 35.29519653 126.77412414
    397 da:e3:5e:5c:38:66 35.2957611 126.77399444
    398 f0:09:0d:25:82:e2 35.2951889 126.77474975
    399 70:2c:1f:6f:85:60 35.29552459 126.77452087

    It's trivial for anyone to imagine we can do this forever
    until we have every AP listed that is in Apple's WPS database.
    --
    I am not here for my ego; nor for my amusement; but to teach & learn.


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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Mon Dec 15 16:04:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Dec 15, 2025 at 5:18:14 AM MST, "Marian" wrote <10houa7$gll$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:

    I said this was trivial; yet the Apple trolls said it was impossible.

    When did you do this?
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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  • From Marian@marianjones@helpfulpeople.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Dec 15 12:41:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marian wrote:
    If we want a radial expansion crawler for Apple's WPS database, do this:
    1. Choose any arbitrary Netgear (00:22:3f) BSSID (e.g., 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33)
    2. Get the whole cluster of 400 BSSID pairs from Apple
    python.exe apple_bssid_locator.py 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 --all
    3. This outputs up to 400 BSSID:GPS pairs near it in the Apple WPS DB
    (see results.txt below)

    This morning, in response to the Apple trolls claiming that it can't be
    done, I wrote this code to track the movement of the GPS:BSSID pairs.

    I set the threshold to 100km but I could have used any distance I want.
    The fact I can so easily do this (and I'm not a coder!) shows it's trivial.

    The problem I'm pointing out is Apple trolls defend Apple to the death, no matter what, by using the first (inane) excuse that comes to their mind.

    In this case, Chris has claimed repeatedly that it's difficult to do.
    And yet, it's trivial.

    Here's proof that the Apple trolls defend Apple to the death, no matter
    what, using the first (absurd) excuse that comes to their mind, and yet,
    it's trivial to always prove these uneducated Apple trolls always wrong.


    @echo off
    :: This is C:\app\os\python\apple_bssid_locator\bssidcompare.bat
    :: v1p0 20251215
    :: Outputs if there is movecment for any given BSSID in results.txt

    setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

    :: Threshold for movement (where 0.001 degrees is roughly 100 kilometers)
    set THRESH=0.001

    :: Input file collected using apple_bssid_locator open source code
    :: These are actual BSSID:GPS pairs which you can test yourself!
    :: 28:6d:97:c8:5a:30 35.2948265 126.77577972
    :: 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 35.29422378 126.77641296
    :: 10:62:e5:b1:8f:12 35.29444885 126.77671051
    :: 12:09:a5:53:df:13 35.29491043 126.77599334
    :: 28:6d:97:4f:be:d0 35.29439163 126.77655029
    :: 28:6d:97:b9:89:96 35.29463195 126.77554321000001
    :: 42:09:a5:53:df:13 35.294940940000004 126.7760086

    set INFILE=results.txt

    echo Checking for GPS movement greater than %THRESH% degrees...
    echo.

    :: Loop through each line of results.txt
    for /f "tokens=1,2,3 delims= " %%A in (%INFILE%) do (
    set BSSID=%%A
    set LAT=%%B
    set LON=%%C

    :: If we've seen this BSSID before, compare
    if defined lastLAT[!BSSID!] (
    set /a diffLAT=1000000*( !LAT! - !lastLAT[!BSSID!]! )
    set /a diffLON=1000000*( !LON! - !lastLON[!BSSID!]! )

    :: Convert to absolute values
    if !diffLAT! lss 0 set /a diffLAT=-!diffLAT!
    if !diffLON! lss 0 set /a diffLON=-!diffLON!

    :: Compare against threshold (scaled by 1,000,000)
    set /a threshScaled=%THRESH%*1000000
    if !diffLAT! gtr !threshScaled! (
    echo BSSID !BSSID! moved in LAT by more than %THRESH% degrees
    )
    if !diffLON! gtr !threshScaled! (
    echo BSSID !BSSID! moved in LON by more than %THRESH% degrees
    )
    )

    :: Store current coordinates
    set lastLAT[!BSSID!]=!LAT!
    set lastLON[!BSSID!]=!LON!
    )

    echo.
    echo Comparison complete.
    endlocal

    :: end of C:\app\os\python\apple_bssid_locator\bssidcompare.bat
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Dec 15 14:49:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-12-15 04:18, Marian wrote:
    I said this was trivial; yet the Apple trolls said it was impossible.

    Quote it. Quote anyone saying it was "impossible" to query the Apple
    BSSID database.


    If we want a radial expansion crawler for Apple's WPS database, do this:
    1. Choose any arbitrary Netgear (00:22:3f) BSSID (e.g., 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33)

    So get a random BSSID for a device with no way to know to whom it belongs.

    2. Get the whole cluster of 400 BSSID pairs from Apple     python.exe apple_bssid_locator.py 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 --all
    3. This outputs up to 400 BSSID:GPS pairs near it in the Apple WPS DB
        (see results.txt below)

    Then any BSSID in that cluster (e.g., 34:08:04:cb:b2:a4, D-Link)
    And do it again.

    Choose another BSSID (e.g., 00:23:aa:d9:6b:ca from HFR, Inc.)
    Get another 400.

    Keep repeating (e.g., 28:4E:E9:3F:5F:9F from Mercury Corp.)
    Easily anyone can garner billions of BSSID:AP pairs from Apple's WPS.

    Then all you need to do is track them, en masse.
    If I can do this so easily, anyone can.

    I plotted them using AppleLocator & Fermium open source software.
    python.exe bssidplot.py

    Here is a screenshot of the location of those 400 BSSID:GPS pairs: <https://i.postimg.cc/43ysV3Mr/fermium.jpg>

    Hmmmm....

    ...have you looked where 35°N 126°W is, Arlen?

    286 miles off the coast of California.

    Looking at the first of your 400:

    <https://www.google.com/maps/place/35°17'39.2%22N+126°46'35.1%22W/@35.3011231,-129.0186008,7z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d35.2942238!4d-126.776413!5m1!1e4?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D>


    Seems like you're tracking isn't working out, doesn't it?


    Here's just the first 400 found, so you can see the BSSID:GPS pairs.
    1    00:22:3f:a5:7b:33    35.29422378    126.77641296
    2    10:62:e5:b1:8f:12    35.29444885    126.77671051
    3    12:09:a5:53:df:13    35.29491043    126.77599334
    4    28:6d:97:4f:be:d0    35.29439163    126.77655029
    5    28:6d:97:b9:89:96    35.29463195    126.77554321000001
    6    42:09:a5:53:df:13    35.294940940000004    126.7760086
    7    04:09:a5:53:df:13    35.29491043    126.77601623
    8    50:46:ae:f2:9b:15    35.29492568    126.77648162
    9    58:86:94:51:6b:0e    35.2944374    126.77667999
    10   88:36:6c:06:65:38    35.29442214    126.77668762
    11   88:57:1d:4b:a6:79    35.29385757    126.77546691
    12   08:5d:dd:9c:c4:93    35.294841760000004    126.77540588000001 13   b0:38:6c:75:10:7e    35.29403686    126.77572631
    14   28:6d:97:c8:5a:30    35.2948265    126.77577972
    15   70:2c:1f:66:28:49    35.29447174    126.77656555
    16   70:2c:1f:66:08:0d    35.2939682    126.77562713
    17   70:5d:cc:1e:34:6c    35.29422378    126.77565765
    18   70:2c:1f:85:d7:cd    35.29440307    126.7756195
    19   88:36:6c:b7:02:b0    35.29481506    126.7758255
    20   0c:96:cd:7d:33:96    35.293926230000004    126.77541351
    21   bc:10:2f:62:e7:38    35.29484558    126.77593231
    22   70:2c:1f:86:e6:51    35.29470825    126.77540588000001
    23   70:2c:1f:5d:06:a8    35.294750210000004    126.77560424
    24   66:cb:e9:62:81:c6    35.294433590000004    126.77537536
    25   6c:72:20:5f:c5:7f    35.293998710000004    126.7753601
    26   88:57:1d:3b:3e:e7    35.29479598    126.77539825000001
    27   88:36:6c:1a:6e:7e    35.29494857    126.77605438
    28   bc:10:2f:51:f7:01    35.29452514    126.77631378000001
    29   84:72:07:c6:c7:46    35.29398727    126.77539062
    30   62:ab:14:39:fc:a7    35.29427337    126.77566528
    31   18:c5:01:df:c0:52    35.29442977    126.77673339
    32   32:34:db:e6:91:9c    35.29437637    126.77770233
    33   80:ca:4b:96:73:ce    35.29488372    126.77695465000001
    34   e0:4f:43:a8:56:13    35.29393768    126.77700042000001
    35   2c:2b:f9:f5:ac:72    35.29459381    126.77682495
    36   00:23:aa:91:74:ae    35.293952940000004    126.7747879
    37   00:23:aa:d5:31:e6    35.294025420000004    126.77478027000001 38   00:07:89:64:05:2b    35.29449844    126.77486419
    39   12:23:aa:91:74:ae    35.29396057    126.7747879
    40   12:23:aa:d5:31:e6    35.2940216    126.77477264000001
    41   12:23:aa:d9:6b:ca    35.29397201    126.77490997
    42   12:96:cd:6b:19:c7    35.294216150000004    126.77531433
    43   12:96:cd:76:a8:be    35.29397583    126.77486419
    44   12:96:cd:82:58:bb    35.2938919    126.77524566
    45   12:96:cd:97:53:cb    35.29416656    126.77466583
    46   12:09:a5:26:14:df    35.29400253    126.77489471
    47   12:09:a5:28:93:bf    35.2939949    126.7747879
    48   12:09:a5:47:38:27    35.2939186    126.77476501
    49   12:f4:5e:24:59:0b    35.29406738    126.77428436
    50   18:34:af:ec:5a:4b    35.29441833    126.77522277
    51   18:c5:01:8b:f0:ce    35.29394531    126.77485656
    52   18:c5:01:9c:33:b2    35.29389572    126.77508544
    53   1c:a5:32:f8:79:46    35.29492568    126.7751007
    54   1e:96:cd:6b:19:c7    35.29414749    126.77529907
    55   26:e8:53:a0:7d:87    35.29396438    126.77490997
    56   28:4e:e9:1e:da:cd    35.29407501    126.77472686
    57   28:6d:97:8e:ed:f9    35.29458999    126.77532958
    58   28:6d:97:a8:10:98    35.29386901    126.77482604000001
    59   28:6d:97:b8:24:44    35.29405212    126.77482604000001
    60   28:6d:97:ca:55:74    35.293853750000004    126.77509307
    61   28:6d:97:fb:b4:7f    35.29400634    126.77506256000001
    62   28:6d:97:fd:be:af    35.293952940000004    126.77492523000001 63   2e:2b:f9:47:2e:0b    35.29449081    126.77493286
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    323  42:23:aa:47:4a:8e    35.29300308    126.77468872
    324  42:23:aa:8e:a2:6a    35.29364395    126.77470397
    325  42:23:aa:d9:1b:fa    35.29373168    126.7751007
    326  42:2f:86:6c:f7:a6    35.29342651    126.77515411
    327  46:cb:8b:bf:c6:22    35.293254850000004    126.77453613
    328  46:cb:8b:e1:7a:68    35.29336929    126.77529907
    329  04:09:a5:33:3c:1f    35.29300689    126.77457427
    330  04:09:a5:3b:34:67    35.29359817    126.77489471
    331  04:09:a5:51:bf:f7    35.29329299    126.77440643
    332  50:46:ae:74:a1:bd    35.293056480000004    126.77466583
    333  50:46:ae:8c:71:91    35.29356765    126.77516174
    334  50:46:ae:9d:34:99    35.29345321    126.77519226
    335  50:46:ae:d7:ba:f4    35.29364013    126.77487182
    336  50:46:ae:0e:0e:a7    35.293445580000004    126.77497100000001 337  50:91:e3:95:60:a6    35.292819970000004    126.77423858
    338  50:fd:d5:6e:61:5c    35.29358673    126.77481842
    339  50:fd:d5:82:fc:ab    35.29352188    126.77413177
    340  50:fd:d5:90:27:6f    35.29364395    126.77474212
    341  54:7e:1a:0a:d1:97    35.29342651    126.77449798
    342  5a:7e:1a:0a:d1:97    35.29345703    126.7745285
    343  60:29:d5:00:dd:8f    35.29349517    126.7750473
    344  60:29:d5:01:2f:c4    35.29323959    126.77463531000001
    345  60:29:d5:a7:54:18    35.2928276    126.77506256000001
    346  60:29:d5:ae:12:9f    35.29360198    126.7751007
    347  62:91:e3:95:60:a6    35.29280853    126.77423858
    348  68:3a:48:1f:65:7e    35.29356002    126.77505493
    349  70:2c:1f:55:eb:a2    35.29368591    126.77475738
    350  70:2c:1f:56:e0:55    35.293518060000004    126.77509307
    351  70:5d:cc:6e:44:56    35.29328918    126.7748413
    352  70:5d:cc:6f:ef:16    35.29357147    126.77500152
    353  70:5d:cc:ad:a6:80    35.29349517    126.77519226
    354  70:5d:cc:c6:50:fe    35.2931137    126.77483367
    355  76:40:be:65:42:a8    35.29277038    126.77419281
    356  80:ca:4b:1b:06:72    35.29290771    126.77441406
    357  80:ca:4b:55:89:7a    35.2935791    126.77481842
    358  1c:ec:72:43:68:57    35.29525756    126.77693939000001
    359  70:5d:cc:52:21:c6    35.29499435    126.77783203
    360  b4:a9:4f:62:c5:e6    35.295158380000004    126.77710723
    361  ba:a9:4f:62:c5:e6    35.2951622    126.77732086
    362  c6:a9:4f:62:c5:e6    35.29518127    126.77729797
    363  00:07:89:3d:bb:7f    35.29569244    126.7743988
    364  12:f4:5e:0b:66:df    35.2950592    126.77472686
    365  1c:e8:9e:ca:d9:47    35.29525375    126.77410888
    366  28:4e:e9:01:ba:b3    35.29596328    126.77406311
    367  28:4e:e9:0d:0d:af    35.29594802    126.77472686
    368  28:6b:b4:03:cd:17    35.29567337    126.77416229
    369  2e:4e:e9:01:ba:b3    35.2959671    126.77399444
    370  2e:4e:e9:0d:0d:af    35.29602813    126.77479553
    371  38:f4:5e:0b:66:df    35.29501724    126.77464294
    372  40:ca:63:bf:f5:ae    35.2952156    126.77403259
    373  50:46:ae:5d:0e:9f    35.29600906    126.77487182
    374  50:46:ae:75:63:80    35.29568481    126.77436065
    375  50:fd:d5:17:93:c6    35.29563522    126.77405548
    376  60:29:d5:b1:81:d5    35.29579544    126.77490997
    377  64:cb:e9:13:8a:9a    35.29558944    126.77423095
    378  70:5d:cc:c9:14:7a    35.29550933    126.77415466000001
    379  88:3c:1c:ab:fc:0b    35.29561614    126.77500152
    380  88:57:1d:0b:82:39    35.29566192    126.77424621
    381  b4:a9:4f:1c:65:fb    35.29603576    126.77462005
    382  b4:a9:4f:02:67:5a    35.29568099    126.77456665
    383  28:6d:97:ae:c2:c8    35.29577255    126.77462005
    384  28:6d:97:f6:fa:f2    35.29536056    126.7746582
    385  28:6d:97:f7:df:11    35.294967650000004    126.77506256000001 386  3a:5d:dd:df:15:57    35.29603576    126.77470397
    387  50:46:ae:4f:80:d5    35.29581832    126.7747116
    388  50:fd:d5:a5:59:18    35.29528427    126.77491760000001
    389  56:46:ae:4f:80:d5    35.29584503    126.77473449
    390  60:29:d5:63:d3:16    35.29602813    126.77519989
    391  70:2c:1f:86:e5:2e    35.295040130000004    126.77532196
    392  86:25:19:ca:f1:c7    35.29604339    126.77488708
    393  88:36:6c:5d:7f:bc    35.29579544    126.77529144
    394  08:5d:dd:df:15:57    35.29601669    126.7745285
    395  0a:5d:dd:df:15:57    35.29604721    126.77451324
    396  bc:10:2f:7f:ba:0b    35.29519653    126.77412414
    397  da:e3:5e:5c:38:66    35.2957611    126.77399444
    398  f0:09:0d:25:82:e2    35.2951889    126.77474975
    399  70:2c:1f:6f:85:60    35.29552459    126.77452087

    It's trivial for anyone to imagine we can do this forever
    until we have every AP listed that is in Apple's WPS database.

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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Dec 15 14:50:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-12-15 11:41, Marian wrote:
    Marian wrote:
    If we want a radial expansion crawler for Apple's WPS database, do this:
     1. Choose any arbitrary Netgear (00:22:3f) BSSID (e.g.,
    00:22:3f:a5:7b:33)
     2. Get the whole cluster of 400 BSSID pairs from Apple
    python.exe apple_bssid_locator.py 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 --all
     3. This outputs up to 400 BSSID:GPS pairs near it in the Apple WPS DB
         (see results.txt below)

    This morning, in response to the Apple trolls claiming that it can't be
    done, I wrote this code to track the movement of the GPS:BSSID pairs.

    I set the threshold to 100km but I could have used any distance I want.
    The fact I can so easily do this (and I'm not a coder!) shows it's trivial.

    The problem I'm pointing out is Apple trolls defend Apple to the death, no matter what, by using the first (inane) excuse that comes to their mind.

    In this case, Chris has claimed repeatedly that it's difficult to do.
    And yet, it's trivial.

    Here's proof that the Apple trolls defend Apple to the death, no matter
    what, using the first (absurd) excuse that comes to their mind, and yet,
    it's trivial to always prove these uneducated Apple trolls always wrong.


    @echo off
    :: This is C:\app\os\python\apple_bssid_locator\bssidcompare.bat :: v1p0 20251215
    ::  Outputs if there is movecment for any given BSSID in results.txt

    setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

    :: Threshold for movement (where 0.001 degrees is roughly 100 kilometers)
    set THRESH=0.001

    :: Input file collected using apple_bssid_locator open source code ::
    These are actual BSSID:GPS pairs which you can test yourself!
    :: 28:6d:97:c8:5a:30    35.2948265    126.77577972

    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...

    :: 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33    35.29422378    126.77641296

    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...

    :: 10:62:e5:b1:8f:12    35.29444885    126.77671051

    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...

    :: 12:09:a5:53:df:13    35.29491043    126.77599334

    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...

    :: 28:6d:97:4f:be:d0    35.29439163    126.77655029

    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...


    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...

    :: 28:6d:97:b9:89:96    35.29463195    126.77554321000001

    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...

    :: 42:09:a5:53:df:13    35.294940940000004    126.7760086

    Nearly 300 miles off the coast of California...

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  • From Tyrone@none@none.none to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Mon Dec 15 23:00:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Dec 15, 2025 at 5:49:35 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-12-15 04:18, Marian wrote:
    I said this was trivial; yet the Apple trolls said it was impossible.

    Quote it. Quote anyone saying it was "impossible" to query the Apple
    BSSID database.


    If we want a radial expansion crawler for Apple's WPS database, do this:
    1. Choose any arbitrary Netgear (00:22:3f) BSSID (e.g., 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33)

    So get a random BSSID for a device with no way to know to whom it belongs.

    2. Get the whole cluster of 400 BSSID pairs from Apple python.exe
    apple_bssid_locator.py 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 --all
    3. This outputs up to 400 BSSID:GPS pairs near it in the Apple WPS DB
    (see results.txt below)

    Then any BSSID in that cluster (e.g., 34:08:04:cb:b2:a4, D-Link)
    And do it again.

    Choose another BSSID (e.g., 00:23:aa:d9:6b:ca from HFR, Inc.)
    Get another 400.

    Keep repeating (e.g., 28:4E:E9:3F:5F:9F from Mercury Corp.)
    Easily anyone can garner billions of BSSID:AP pairs from Apple's WPS.

    Then all you need to do is track them, en masse.
    If I can do this so easily, anyone can.

    I plotted them using AppleLocator & Fermium open source software.
    python.exe bssidplot.py

    Here is a screenshot of the location of those 400 BSSID:GPS pairs:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/43ysV3Mr/fermium.jpg>

    Hmmmm....

    ...have you looked where 35°N 126°W is, Arlen?

    286 miles off the coast of California.

    Looking at the first of your 400:

    <https://www.google.com/maps/place/35°17'39.2%22N+126°46'35.1%22W/@35.3011231,-129.0186008,7z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d35.2942238!4d-126.776413!5m1!1e4?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D>


    Seems like you're tracking isn't working out, doesn't it?

    Besides, all he is "tracking" is a MAC address of a router. NOT a person. Routers are NOT tied to a person.

    Arlen thinks he has stumbled upon some huge security issue. He is only correct about one thing. It IS trivial because it is meaningless.



    Here's just the first 400 found, so you can see the BSSID:GPS pairs.
    1 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 35.29422378 126.77641296
    2 10:62:e5:b1:8f:12 35.29444885 126.77671051
    3 12:09:a5:53:df:13 35.29491043 126.77599334
    4 28:6d:97:4f:be:d0 35.29439163 126.77655029
    5 28:6d:97:b9:89:96 35.29463195 126.77554321000001
    6 42:09:a5:53:df:13 35.294940940000004 126.7760086
    7 04:09:a5:53:df:13 35.29491043 126.77601623
    8 50:46:ae:f2:9b:15 35.29492568 126.77648162
    9 58:86:94:51:6b:0e 35.2944374 126.77667999
    10 88:36:6c:06:65:38 35.29442214 126.77668762
    11 88:57:1d:4b:a6:79 35.29385757 126.77546691
    12 08:5d:dd:9c:c4:93 35.294841760000004 126.77540588000001
    13 b0:38:6c:75:10:7e 35.29403686 126.77572631
    14 28:6d:97:c8:5a:30 35.2948265 126.77577972
    15 70:2c:1f:66:28:49 35.29447174 126.77656555
    16 70:2c:1f:66:08:0d 35.2939682 126.77562713
    17 70:5d:cc:1e:34:6c 35.29422378 126.77565765
    18 70:2c:1f:85:d7:cd 35.29440307 126.7756195
    19 88:36:6c:b7:02:b0 35.29481506 126.7758255
    20 0c:96:cd:7d:33:96 35.293926230000004 126.77541351
    21 bc:10:2f:62:e7:38 35.29484558 126.77593231
    22 70:2c:1f:86:e6:51 35.29470825 126.77540588000001
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    24 66:cb:e9:62:81:c6 35.294433590000004 126.77537536
    25 6c:72:20:5f:c5:7f 35.293998710000004 126.7753601
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    37 00:23:aa:d5:31:e6 35.294025420000004 126.77478027000001
    38 00:07:89:64:05:2b 35.29449844 126.77486419
    39 12:23:aa:91:74:ae 35.29396057 126.7747879
    40 12:23:aa:d5:31:e6 35.2940216 126.77477264000001
    41 12:23:aa:d9:6b:ca 35.29397201 126.77490997
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    44 12:96:cd:82:58:bb 35.2938919 126.77524566
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    46 12:09:a5:26:14:df 35.29400253 126.77489471
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    65 32:34:db:87:4e:74 35.29406738 126.77487182
    66 34:08:04:cb:b2:a4 35.29445648 126.77491760000001
    67 38:f4:5e:24:59:0b 35.2940483 126.7743225
    68 40:ca:63:38:79:57 35.294651030000004 126.7744522
    69 40:ca:63:a6:95:21 35.29398727 126.77502441
    70 40:ca:63:c9:8d:90 35.29455947 126.77455902
    71 40:ca:63:fb:52:c7 35.29405212 126.77509307
    72 42:23:aa:91:74:ae 35.29395675 126.7747879
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    74 42:23:aa:d9:6b:ca 35.29397964 126.77489471
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    93 70:5d:cc:44:b0:70 35.29401779 126.77478027000001
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    It's trivial for anyone to imagine we can do this forever
    until we have every AP listed that is in Apple's WPS database.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Mon Dec 15 15:04:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-12-15 15:00, Tyrone wrote:
    On Dec 15, 2025 at 5:49:35 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-12-15 04:18, Marian wrote:
    I said this was trivial; yet the Apple trolls said it was impossible.

    Quote it. Quote anyone saying it was "impossible" to query the Apple
    BSSID database.


    If we want a radial expansion crawler for Apple's WPS database, do this: >>> 1. Choose any arbitrary Netgear (00:22:3f) BSSID (e.g., 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33) >>
    So get a random BSSID for a device with no way to know to whom it belongs. >>
    2. Get the whole cluster of 400 BSSID pairs from Apple python.exe
    apple_bssid_locator.py 00:22:3f:a5:7b:33 --all
    3. This outputs up to 400 BSSID:GPS pairs near it in the Apple WPS DB
    (see results.txt below)

    Then any BSSID in that cluster (e.g., 34:08:04:cb:b2:a4, D-Link)
    And do it again.

    Choose another BSSID (e.g., 00:23:aa:d9:6b:ca from HFR, Inc.)
    Get another 400.

    Keep repeating (e.g., 28:4E:E9:3F:5F:9F from Mercury Corp.)
    Easily anyone can garner billions of BSSID:AP pairs from Apple's WPS.

    Then all you need to do is track them, en masse.
    If I can do this so easily, anyone can.

    I plotted them using AppleLocator & Fermium open source software.
    python.exe bssidplot.py

    Here is a screenshot of the location of those 400 BSSID:GPS pairs:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/43ysV3Mr/fermium.jpg>

    Hmmmm....

    ...have you looked where 35°N 126°W is, Arlen?

    286 miles off the coast of California.

    Looking at the first of your 400:

    <https://www.google.com/maps/place/35°17'39.2%22N+126°46'35.1%22W/@35.3011231,-129.0186008,7z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d35.2942238!4d-126.776413!5m1!1e4?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D>


    Seems like you're tracking isn't working out, doesn't it?

    Besides, all he is "tracking" is a MAC address of a router. NOT a person. Routers are NOT tied to a person.

    Arlen thinks he has stumbled upon some huge security issue. He is only correct
    about one thing. It IS trivial because it is meaningless.

    What do you want to predict he'll come back and claim that he
    deliberately changed all the coordinates?

    😜
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  • From Marian@marianjones@helpfulpeople.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Mon Dec 15 21:18:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Tyrone wrote:
    Besides, all he is "tracking" is a MAC address of a router. NOT a person. Routers are NOT tied to a person.

    I'm not sure WHAT lookup engine Alan Baker used but it shows up on my maps.
    So maybe Alan Baker needs to check his coordinates since those are correct.

    You Apple trolls don't own the IQ to understand the simple fact that if you move and take your router with you, your movements will be tracked.

    I'm done patiently explaining that fact to you Apple trolls.
    Nobody could be as stupid as you Apple trolls are to not understand that.

    And yet, you Apple trolls can't comprehend that if you move and take your router will you, that your move will easily be tracked in Apple's database.

    No amount of patient explaining will ever sink that concept in your head.
    It's one of the reasons I know none of you could possibly go to college.

    You'd all fail the first and every test being *that* incredibly stupid.
    Nobody is that stupid. And yet, you are.

    He thinks he has stumbled upon some huge security issue. He is only correct about one thing. It IS trivial because it is meaningless.

    Heh heh heh. Remember, Apple has my bug report in their RADAR system.
    They removed the BSSID:GPS pair, so that's implicit acceptance of fact.

    I'm awaiting Apple's explanation of why I'm in Apple's WPS database even
    after following all of Apple's legally enforceable published privacy rules.

    So far, Apple has been stalling.
    It's what Apple does when they know they've done something legally wrong.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone on Tue Dec 16 00:20:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2025-12-15 20:18, Marian wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    Besides, all he is "tracking" is a MAC address of a router. NOT a
    person. Routers are NOT tied to a person.

    I'm not sure WHAT lookup engine Alan Baker used but it shows up on my maps. So maybe Alan Baker needs to check his coordinates since those are correct.

    You Apple trolls don't own the IQ to understand the simple fact that if you move and take your router with you, your movements will be tracked.

    Only if someone has a way to have connected you with a particular BSSID
    in the first place.


    I'm done patiently explaining that fact to you Apple trolls.
    Nobody could be as stupid as you Apple trolls are to not understand that.

    And yet, you Apple trolls can't comprehend that if you move and take your router will you, that your move will easily be tracked in Apple's database.
    No amount of patient explaining will ever sink that concept in your
    head.
    It's one of the reasons I know none of you could possibly go to college.

    You'd all fail the first and every test being *that* incredibly stupid. Nobody is that stupid. And yet, you are.

    He thinks he has stumbled upon some huge security issue. He is only
    correct
    about one thing. It IS trivial because it is meaningless.

    Heh heh heh. Remember, Apple has my bug report in their RADAR system.
    They removed the BSSID:GPS pair, so that's implicit acceptance of fact.

    You have no proof of that.


    I'm awaiting Apple's explanation of why I'm in Apple's WPS database even after following all of Apple's legally enforceable published privacy rules.

    So far, Apple has been stalling.
    It's what Apple does when they know they've done something legally wrong.

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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tue Dec 16 08:21:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:

    He thinks he has stumbled upon some huge security issue. He is only correct >> about one thing. It IS trivial because it is meaningless.

    Heh heh heh. Remember, Apple has my bug report in their RADAR system.
    They removed the BSSID:GPS pair, so that's implicit acceptance of fact.

    No it isn't. Don't forget the other bit they did: they couldn't reproduce
    your claim.

    I'm awaiting Apple's explanation of why I'm in Apple's WPS database even after following all of Apple's legally enforceable published privacy rules.

    [Narrator's voice: "Donald fucked up. That's why. "]




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  • From Marian@marianjones@helpfulpeople.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Dec 17 02:37:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Chris wrote:
    He thinks he has stumbled upon some huge security issue. He is only correct >>> about one thing. It IS trivial because it is meaningless.

    Heh heh heh. Remember, Apple has my bug report in their RADAR system.
    They removed the BSSID:GPS pair, so that's implicit acceptance of fact.

    No it isn't. Don't forget the other bit they did: they couldn't reproduce your claim.

    I'm awaiting Apple's explanation of why I'm in Apple's WPS database even
    after following all of Apple's legally enforceable published privacy rules.

    [Narrator's voice: "Donald fucked up. That's why. "]

    Heh heh heh... remember I have a VP at Apple who is my neighbor tracking
    this down. He got an answer for me since he knew I was credible.

    I can't tell you what Apple's response was, but I was effective at getting action from Apple when NOBODY else has done what I have accomplished.

    Let's leave it at that since you Apple trolls have never accomplished
    anything in your entire lives, let alone in a week of what I've
    successfully gotten Apple to do on this topic.
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  • From Marian@marianjones@helpfulpeople.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Wed Dec 17 03:31:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Marian wrote:
    you Apple trolls have never accomplished
    anything in your entire lives, let alone in a week

    Anyone interested in running these TP-Link BSSIDs through Apple's
    highly insecure WPS lookup database & reporting results to the team?
    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid>

    ===== Summary of Successful BSSID Lookups =====
    F4:F2:6D:B6:A6:97
    F4:F2:6D:38:43:72
    F4:F2:6D:8E:DE:DC
    F4:F2:6D:87:0A:CE
    etc.
    ===============================================

    Click on these links and let the team know what you find out from them:
    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid&bssid=F4-F2-6D-B6-A6-97>
    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid&bssid=F4-F2-6D-38-43-72>
    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid&bssid=F4-F2-6D-8E-DE-DC>
    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid&bssid=F4-F2-6D-87-0A-CE>
    etc.

    Here's a report of the nearest 400 APs to the Shreveport Louisiana BSSID:
    <https://www.google.com/maps/place/32°27'32.07"N+93°48'53.84"W/>
    (4302 Josey Cir, Shreveport, LA 71109)

    Enter the BSSID (or q to quit): F4:F2:6D:B6:A6:97
    -----------------------------------------------
    === Lookup started at Wed 12/17/2025 3:15:21.02 ===
    BSSID: F4:F2:6D:B6:A6:97

    Searching for location of bssid: F4:F2:6D:B6:A6:97
    Saved 309 entries to results.txt
    BSSID: f4:f2:6d:b6:a6:97
    Latitude: 32.45974349
    Longitude: -93.81695556

    BSSID: 18:de:50:5b:14:6c
    Latitude: 32.45925521
    Longitude: -93.81757354

    BSSID: 1a:1e:19:0d:c9:a9
    Latitude: 32.45926666
    Longitude: -93.8175888

    BSSID: 1e:9e:cc:d6:cb:71
    Latitude: 32.45985031
    Longitude: -93.81725311

    BSSID: 1e:9e:cc:d6:cb:76
    Latitude: 32.45985031
    Longitude: -93.81725311

    BSSID: 02:aa:a0:ba:26:e0
    Latitude: 32.45988464
    Longitude: -93.81759643000001

    BSSID: 50:95:51:b5:b6:ae
    Latitude: 32.4591217
    Longitude: -93.81761169

    BSSID: 54:b2:03:2f:1b:60
    Latitude: 32.45988082
    Longitude: -93.81723022

    BSSID: 62:b2:03:2f:1b:60
    Latitude: 32.45986175
    Longitude: -93.81723785

    BSSID: 06:aa:a0:ba:26:e0
    Latitude: 32.45986938
    Longitude: -93.81759643000001

    BSSID: 6a:b2:03:2f:1b:60
    Latitude: 32.45987701
    Longitude: -93.81723022

    BSSID: 6e:b2:03:2f:1b:60
    Latitude: 32.459846490000004
    Longitude: -93.81730651000001

    BSSID: 84:eb:3e:f8:36:d3
    Latitude: 32.45880508
    Longitude: -93.81717681

    BSSID: 84:eb:3e:fa:b2:63
    Latitude: 32.4595375
    Longitude: -93.81742858

    BSSID: 84:eb:3f:08:e0:72
    Latitude: 32.45973968
    Longitude: -93.81745147000001

    BSSID: 8c:76:3f:f8:5d:cd
    Latitude: 32.45948791
    Longitude: -93.81759643000001

    BSSID: 8c:85:80:d1:be:37
    Latitude: 32.45985031
    Longitude: -93.81759643000001

    BSSID: 8e:76:3f:f8:5d:cd
    Latitude: 32.4594841
    Longitude: -93.8175888

    BSSID: 92:76:3f:f8:5d:cd
    Latitude: 32.4594841
    Longitude: -93.81756591

    BSSID: 92:95:51:b5:b6:ae
    Latitude: 32.45910644
    Longitude: -93.81759643000001

    BSSID: 96:76:3f:f8:5d:cd
    Latitude: 32.45948791
    Longitude: -93.8175888

    BSSID: 96:ad:43:e3:f8:a8
    Latitude: 32.45892715
    Longitude: -93.81752014

    BSSID: 9c:34:26:9e:ff:4a
    Latitude: 32.45941162
    Longitude: -93.8166275

    BSSID: 9e:34:26:9e:ff:4a
    Latitude: 32.45940017
    Longitude: -93.81663513000001

    BSSID: ae:4c:a5:65:93:62
    Latitude: 32.45982742
    Longitude: -93.81752014

    BSSID: ae:4c:a5:65:93:67
    Latitude: 32.45983505
    Longitude: -93.81752014

    BSSID: ba:5e:71:08:7c:6c
    Latitude: 32.45958709
    Longitude: -93.81726837000001

    BSSID: ba:5e:71:08:7c:6f
    Latitude: 32.45959091
    Longitude: -93.81725311

    BSSID: bc:9b:68:7e:15:c0
    Latitude: 32.45943069
    Longitude: -93.817276

    BSSID: bc:9b:68:7e:15:c1
    Latitude: 32.4594078
    Longitude: -93.817276

    BSSID: bc:9b:68:7e:15:c3
    Latitude: 32.459438320000004
    Longitude: -93.817276

    BSSID: bc:9b:68:7e:15:c5
    Latitude: 32.45941543
    Longitude: -93.81728363

    BSSID: bc:9b:68:7e:15:c6
    Latitude: 32.45944976
    Longitude: -93.81729125

    BSSID: be:34:26:9e:ff:4a
    Latitude: 32.45941925
    Longitude: -93.81661987

    BSSID: c6:4f:d5:41:a5:59
    Latitude: 32.45885467
    Longitude: -93.81680297

    BSSID: de:34:26:9e:ff:4a
    Latitude: 32.4594078
    Longitude: -93.81664276000001

    BSSID: ec:aa:a0:ba:26:e0
    Latitude: 32.45988845
    Longitude: -93.8175888

    BSSID: fa:aa:a0:ba:26:e0
    Latitude: 32.45989227
    Longitude: -93.81759643000001

    BSSID: 12:3d:0a:47:68:48
    Latitude: 32.45932769
    Longitude: -93.81684875

    BSSID: 3a:1e:19:0d:c9:a9
    Latitude: 32.45920944
    Longitude: -93.8175888

    BSSID: 72:95:51:b5:b6:ae
    Latitude: 32.45911026
    Longitude: -93.81761932

    BSSID: 74:ea:e8:a0:a7:d7
    Latitude: 32.45973205
    Longitude: -93.81691741

    BSSID: 78:d2:94:c9:68:48
    Latitude: 32.45880889
    Longitude: -93.81738281

    BSSID: 82:da:c2:f4:9c:fd
    Latitude: 32.45885086
    Longitude: -93.81640625

    BSSID: 88:ad:43:e3:f8:a8
    Latitude: 32.45894241
    Longitude: -93.8175354

    BSSID: 9e:ad:43:e3:f8:a8
    Latitude: 32.45894622
    Longitude: -93.8175354

    BSSID: a2:ad:43:e3:f8:a8
    Latitude: 32.45894622
    Longitude: -93.81755065

    BSSID: 0a:1e:19:0d:c9:a9
    Latitude: 32.45919799
    Longitude: -93.81758117

    BSSID: c6:4f:d5:41:a5:5e
    Latitude: 32.45884704
    Longitude: -93.81679534

    BSSID: de:72:23:a3:8a:04
    Latitude: 32.45986557
    Longitude: -93.81764984

    BSSID: e6:bf:fa:bb:35:f8
    Latitude: 32.45929718
    Longitude: -93.81698608

    BSSID: e6:bf:fa:bb:35:fb
    Latitude: 32.45929718
    Longitude: -93.81697845000001

    BSSID: 10:93:97:0a:e7:80
    Latitude: 32.45983123
    Longitude: -93.81554412

    BSSID: 12:36:aa:62:9c:39
    Latitude: 32.45924758
    Longitude: -93.81565093

    BSSID: 12:36:aa:62:9c:3a
    Latitude: 32.45924377
    Longitude: -93.81565856

    BSSID: 12:36:aa:62:9c:3d
    Latitude: 32.4592247
    Longitude: -93.81564331

    BSSID: 12:36:aa:62:9c:3e
    Latitude: 32.45925521
    Longitude: -93.81563568

    BSSID: 12:36:aa:85:84:c9
    Latitude: 32.45958709
    Longitude: -93.81570434

    BSSID: 18:9c:27:b6:4b:8a
    Latitude: 32.45975494
    Longitude: -93.81597137

    BSSID: 02:cb:7a:c2:d1:42
    Latitude: 32.45950698
    Longitude: -93.81557464000001

    BSSID: 02:cb:7a:c2:d1:43
    Latitude: 32.45950698
    Longitude: -93.81555938

    BSSID: 02:cb:7a:c2:d1:45
    Latitude: 32.45949935
    Longitude: -93.81555938

    BSSID: 36:e6:e6:86:cd:1c
    Latitude: 32.45980453
    Longitude: -93.81570434

    BSSID: 3a:9c:27:b6:4b:8a
    Latitude: 32.45976257
    Longitude: -93.81599426

    BSSID: 5a:9c:27:b6:4b:8a
    Latitude: 32.45975112
    Longitude: -93.81600189

    BSSID: 8c:76:3f:d4:13:8d
    Latitude: 32.4597969
    Longitude: -93.81586456000001

    BSSID: 8c:85:80:e4:35:dd
    Latitude: 32.45980834
    Longitude: -93.81555938

    BSSID: 8c:0f:6f:21:c8:80
    Latitude: 32.45982742
    Longitude: -93.81553649

    BSSID: 8c:0f:6f:d3:3b:68
    Latitude: 32.459030150000004
    Longitude: -93.81517791

    BSSID: 8e:76:3f:d4:13:8d
    Latitude: 32.4597969
    Longitude: -93.81587982

    BSSID: 94:a6:7e:31:02:35
    Latitude: 32.45889282
    Longitude: -93.81509399000001

    BSSID: 96:76:3f:d4:13:8d
    Latitude: 32.45978546
    Longitude: -93.81589508

    BSSID: 9a:0f:6f:21:c8:80
    Latitude: 32.45982742
    Longitude: -93.81553649

    BSSID: 9a:0f:6f:d3:3b:68
    Latitude: 32.45904922
    Longitude: -93.81517791

    BSSID: a2:0f:6f:21:c8:80
    Latitude: 32.4598236
    Longitude: -93.81553649

    BSSID: a2:0f:6f:d3:3b:68
    Latitude: 32.45904159
    Longitude: -93.81518554

    BSSID: a6:0f:6f:21:c8:80
    Latitude: 32.45983123
    Longitude: -93.81555175

    BSSID: a6:0f:6f:d3:3b:68
    Latitude: 32.45905303
    Longitude: -93.8152008

    BSSID: be:61:e9:cd:aa:a8
    Latitude: 32.458812710000004
    Longitude: -93.81623077

    BSSID: ca:3a:6b:db:9b:ba
    Latitude: 32.45902252
    Longitude: -93.81513977

    BSSID: ce:6c:6d:53:02:e5
    Latitude: 32.45965194
    Longitude: -93.81586456000001

    BSSID: d4:6c:6d:53:02:e5
    Latitude: 32.45964431
    Longitude: -93.81583404

    BSSID: d6:6c:6d:53:02:e5
    Latitude: 32.45964431
    Longitude: -93.81583404

    BSSID: da:e3:5e:f7:08:87
    Latitude: 32.45980453
    Longitude: -93.81556701

    BSSID: f8:aa:3f:fe:b2:1e
    Latitude: 32.4590187
    Longitude: -93.81517791

    BSSID: 4e:6b:b8:aa:8c:80
    Latitude: 32.45885467
    Longitude: -93.81540679

    BSSID: 78:b2:13:e7:91:39
    Latitude: 32.45882797
    Longitude: -93.81607055

    BSSID: 1e:30:08:a4:b8:64
    Latitude: 32.45988082
    Longitude: -93.81547546

    BSSID: 9e:b3:f7:21:91:e7
    Latitude: 32.459102630000004
    Longitude: -93.81617736

    BSSID: ce:8b:66:31:a1:df
    Latitude: 32.45933151
    Longitude: -93.81556701

    BSSID: 80:30:dc:c2:05:26
    Latitude: 32.45886993
    Longitude: -93.81635284000001

    BSSID: 6e:29:90:f7:23:74
    Latitude: 32.45904159
    Longitude: -93.81517028

    BSSID: 0c:73:29:ff:29:93
    Latitude: 32.45893096
    Longitude: -93.81542968000001

    BSSID: 7e:27:bc:95:f5:35
    Latitude: 32.45974349
    Longitude: -93.81566619

    BSSID: 54:21:60:82:f9:80
    Latitude: 32.45933914
    Longitude: -93.81817626

    BSSID: 66:c6:d2:a2:ca:41
    Latitude: 32.45928955
    Longitude: -93.81825256

    BSSID: 72:13:01:e1:d9:24
    Latitude: 32.45993041
    Longitude: -93.81851959000001

    BSSID: 82:da:c2:8e:e8:de
    Latitude: 32.45935821
    Longitude: -93.81826019

    BSSID: 86:ea:ed:9d:93:56
    Latitude: 32.45885467
    Longitude: -93.81848144

    BSSID: 88:57:1d:5f:b0:29
    Latitude: 32.45927047
    Longitude: -93.8179779

    BSSID: 8c:0f:6f:3c:c5:a8
    Latitude: 32.45972442
    Longitude: -93.81800079

    BSSID: 8e:49:62:3e:0e:4a
    Latitude: 32.45919418
    Longitude: -93.81777191

    BSSID: 9a:0f:6f:3c:c5:a8
    Latitude: 32.45974731
    Longitude: -93.81801605

    BSSID: a2:0f:6f:3c:c5:a8
    Latitude: 32.45973968
    Longitude: -93.81801605

    BSSID: a6:0f:6f:3c:c5:a8
    Latitude: 32.45972442
    Longitude: -93.81801605

    BSSID: c6:4f:d5:7e:64:69
    Latitude: 32.45947647
    Longitude: -93.81790924

    BSSID: c6:4f:d5:7e:64:6f
    Latitude: 32.45946502
    Longitude: -93.81789398000001

    BSSID: 2e:3f:75:b6:2f:07
    Latitude: 32.45936203
    Longitude: -93.81813812

    BSSID: 82:da:c2:8e:e8:d9
    Latitude: 32.459365840000004
    Longitude: -93.81826019

    BSSID: ae:ae:19:b3:82:47
    Latitude: 32.45906448
    Longitude: -93.81778717

    BSSID: 32:9b:d6:b8:39:e9
    Latitude: 32.45936965
    Longitude: -93.81829833

    BSSID: 70:13:01:ef:d9:23
    Latitude: 32.459583280000004
    Longitude: -93.81856536000001

    BSSID: 70:13:01:ef:d9:26
    Latitude: 32.45959091
    Longitude: -93.81858062

    BSSID: 70:13:01:ef:d9:27
    Latitude: 32.45959091
    Longitude: -93.81858062

    BSSID: 70:13:01:ef:d9:25
    Latitude: 32.45958709
    Longitude: -93.81858062

    BSSID: 50:fd:d5:04:5f:42
    Latitude: 32.45814132
    Longitude: -93.81715393

    BSSID: 62:9c:8e:29:da:30
    Latitude: 32.45869445
    Longitude: -93.81692504

    BSSID: 62:9c:8e:29:da:32
    Latitude: 32.45867538
    Longitude: -93.81691741

    BSSID: 62:9c:8e:29:da:35
    Latitude: 32.45868301
    Longitude: -93.81696319

    BSSID: 72:13:01:28:3a:49
    Latitude: 32.4581108
    Longitude: -93.81741333000001

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    The point being made is not that I wish to track movement (I don't!);
    but that it's trivial to do using the insecure Apple WPS database.
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