From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

Hi badgolferman,

You, yourself, opined that it's possible for Chris to act like an adult on
this newsgroup, and I agreed with you, and I started action on that task.

In addition, you, yourself, opined that some people can't be reasoned with. Such that no adult dialogue is possible with some Apple posters here.

Given we've both assessed that Chris possibly "can" be reasoned with...
would you kindly LOOK at the conversations below and let me know how I'm
doing trying to get both Tyrone & Chris to discuss their POV like an adult?

Just as Tyrone simply called all facts wrong, Chris is pulling the same
trick so, rather than play their game in a childish response, I brought up
each and every one of Chris' outright denials as their own adult thread.

From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What does it really mean when an entity chooses iOS or Android as their main platform?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:10:02 -0700
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From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What does the CISA KEV database say about Android/iOS known
critical exploits?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:20:58 -0700
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From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What did Google's project zero really say about Apple never
testing much of their iOS code?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:34:16 -0700
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From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What are the merits of the claim that iOS is "way more secure"?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:15:53 -0700
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Chris responded by calling me a Trump supporter, but I ignored that
completely and Chris responded by claiming he never read any of the cites before outright denying them, and he used a few of the other classic
tactics to protect Apple's honor ot the detah, no matter what.

But I'm holding both Chris and Tyrone to an adult conversation standard.
How am I doing?

I ask that question sincerely since it's not easy to respond to their
taunts by sticking to the technical topic that they flatly deny having any knowledge of and then in the very next sentence, they deny the truth of it.

Would you kindly LOOK at the conversations above and let me know how I'm
doing trying to get both Tyrone & Chris to discuss their POV like an adult?

Likewise, I took the recent claims by Tyrone denying all facts that he,
himself hasn't bothered to click the links backing them up, and put each of those defenses of Apple's behavior by Tyrone in their own separate threads.

Subject: Almost nobody on this ng understands how iOS releases
Message-ID: <10iaacg$15pq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: Clarifying the Nature of Apple's French Criminal Settlement
Message-ID: <10iacar$2c07$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: iPhone "Efficiency": Marketing vs Measured Data
Message-ID: <10iagk2$1csu$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: Assessing the Privacy Impact of Apple's WiFi Positioning System
Message-ID: <10iaho7$2osq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: Security Is Far More Comprehensive Than Simple Malware Statistics
Message-ID: <10iajkh$l9v$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

In each and every case, I took a claim by Chris/Tyrone that they themselves made, and I discussed THEIR CLAIM just as any adult would try to discuss.

What do you think of the results so far?
Q: What can we do more to help Chris/Tyrone act like adults on this ng?
A: ?
--
Part of being an adult is acting like an adult, where simply claiming all facts we're ignorant of can't possibly exist is not what adults should do.
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From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

Hi badgolferman,

You, yourself, opined that it's possible for Chris to act like an adult on this newsgroup, and I agreed with you, and I started action on that task.

In addition, you, yourself, opined that some people can't be reasoned with. Such that no adult dialogue is possible with some Apple posters here.

Given we've both assessed that Chris possibly "can" be reasoned with... would you kindly LOOK at the conversations below and let me know how I'm doing trying to get both Tyrone & Chris to discuss their POV like an adult?

Just as Tyrone simply called all facts wrong, Chris is pulling the same
trick so, rather than play their game in a childish response, I brought up each and every one of Chris' outright denials as their own adult thread.

From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What does it really mean when an entity chooses iOS or Android as their main platform?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:10:02 -0700
Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Message-ID: <10ic1hq$2ckt$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What does the CISA KEV database say about Android/iOS known
critical exploits?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:20:58 -0700
Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Message-ID: <10ic26a$1pu9$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What did Google's project zero really say about Apple never
testing much of their iOS code?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:34:16 -0700
Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Message-ID: <10ic2v8$307u$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What are the merits of the claim that iOS is "way more secure"? Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:15:53 -0700
Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Message-ID: <10ic5d9$2mvn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Chris responded by calling me a Trump supporter, but I ignored that completely and Chris responded by claiming he never read any of the cites before outright denying them, and he used a few of the other classic
tactics to protect Apple's honor ot the detah, no matter what.

But I'm holding both Chris and Tyrone to an adult conversation standard.
How am I doing?

I ask that question sincerely since it's not easy to respond to their
taunts by sticking to the technical topic that they flatly deny having any knowledge of and then in the very next sentence, they deny the truth of it.

Would you kindly LOOK at the conversations above and let me know how I'm doing trying to get both Tyrone & Chris to discuss their POV like an adult?

Likewise, I took the recent claims by Tyrone denying all facts that he, himself hasn't bothered to click the links backing them up, and put each of those defenses of Apple's behavior by Tyrone in their own separate threads.

Subject: Almost nobody on this ng understands how iOS releases
Message-ID: <10iaacg$15pq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: Clarifying the Nature of Apple's French Criminal Settlement Message-ID: <10iacar$2c07$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: iPhone "Efficiency": Marketing vs Measured Data
Message-ID: <10iagk2$1csu$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: Assessing the Privacy Impact of Apple's WiFi Positioning System Message-ID: <10iaho7$2osq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Subject: Security Is Far More Comprehensive Than Simple Malware Statistics Message-ID: <10iajkh$l9v$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

In each and every case, I took a claim by Chris/Tyrone that they themselves made, and I discussed THEIR CLAIM just as any adult would try to discuss.

What do you think of the results so far?
Q: What can we do more to help Chris/Tyrone act like adults on this ng?
A: ?

When one’s singular focus becomes being right and winning an argument, it
is impossible to see the bigger picture of contributing to society. It’s a very self-centered mentality that erodes common human decency.

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