On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 09:57:43 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
The reality is that those MacBooks have already been reviewed to run as
fast in multi-core as the MacBook M1 with a significant single-core
advantage. In other words, they're perfectly capable to run MacOS
without having to resort to a broken Asahi Linux installation.
Additionally, they run quite well with 8GB which is important since RAM
is now sold at a premium.
M1 was a few Ms ago. I think the A16 experience will be perfectly
acceptable for many people as long as they are aware of what they're
buying. The Windows RT debacle indicates their minds stop working when
they see Windows or Apple. I'm not claiming the Neo is as bad as RT but
it's not a cheap M5.
I'm not familiar with MacOS but I doubt 8 GB is a problem. The Raspberry
Pi is using 3.8 out of 7.8 GB available memory with two Chrome instances
with multible tabs, VS Code, a Python Flask based webserver, and another Python process reading a DHT11 periodically and creating a HTML document
with the update temperature and humidity for the Flask server.
The Ubuntu box is using 3.2 GB out of 14.5 with Brave, Pan, Thunderbird,
and Konsole up.
Not being a gamer or into video editing has advantages.
It's the same thing with the Mac. A lot of people just don't realize how significant the release of the MacBook Neo is. It is a premium
experience at an affordable price
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 14:23:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's the same thing with the Mac. A lot of people just don't realize how
significant the release of the MacBook Neo is. It is a premium
experience at an affordable price
so, after returning to Windows you're echoing advertising copy for the
Neo? You're versatile.
On 2026-03-13 11:55 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 14:23:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's the same thing with the Mac. A lot of people just don't realize
how significant the release of the MacBook Neo is. It is a premium
experience at an affordable price
so, after returning to Windows you're echoing advertising copy for the
Neo? You're versatile.
Actually, no. I recall posting something to this newsgroup months ago regarding the rumour about Apple wanting to use a mobile chip to sell a
less expensive Mac. I commented on how it would be a great idea and a
serious threat to the low-end PC market. Of course, I was operating on
the belief that the machine would let you run MacOS yet be compromised
in every other way. Instead, the experience is no worse than the one a MacBook Air M1 would have. For the price they're charging, Apple has an absolute hit here. It will very likely sell the same way the original coloured iMacs did.
My return to Windows, a result of Linux's never-endings shortcomings,
had nothing to do with it.
Apple has a long history of outstanding support.
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 01:49:54 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
Apple has a long history of outstanding support.
“Support” or not, what would you use it for, exactly? Is it basically
a more expensive alternative to a Chromebook? Because it seems a bit underpowered to run Adobe software, and what is a Mac that can’t run
Adobe software?
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 01:49:54 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
Apple has a long history of outstanding support.
“Support” or not, what would you use it for, exactly? Is it basically
a more expensive alternative to a Chromebook? Because it seems a bit underpowered to run Adobe software, and what is a Mac that can’t run
Adobe software?
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
First: it can. Second: huh? I bet most Macs don’t have Photoshop and
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 01:49:54 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
Apple has a long history of outstanding support.
“Support” or not, what would you use it for, exactly? Is it
basically a more expensive alternative to a Chromebook? Because it
seems a bit underpowered to run Adobe software, and what is a Mac
that can’t run Adobe software?
the like.
On 14 Mar 2026 23:47:55 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
First: it can. Second: huh? I bet most Macs don’t have Photoshop and
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 01:49:54 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
Apple has a long history of outstanding support.
“Support” or not, what would you use it for, exactly? Is it
basically a more expensive alternative to a Chromebook? Because it
seems a bit underpowered to run Adobe software, and what is a Mac
that can’t run Adobe software?
the like.
Are you kidding? The Mac world is at least half of Adobe’s market.
And
can it run those products, really? Somehow I can’t see that working
well in the real world.
Yours is not the only voice crying out against reality.
Here <https://www.theverge.com/report/894090/macbook-neo-pc-windows-laptop-competition-asus-footinmouth>
is another Apple fanboi taking umbrage at the idea that the Neo is
primarily going to be a content-consumption device ...
On 14 Mar 2026 23:47:55 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
First: it can. Second: huh? I bet most Macs don’t have Photoshop and
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 01:49:54 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
Apple has a long history of outstanding support.
“Support” or not, what would you use it for, exactly? Is it
basically a more expensive alternative to a Chromebook? Because it
seems a bit underpowered to run Adobe software, and what is a Mac
that can’t run Adobe software?
the like.
Are you kidding? The Mac world is at least half of Adobe’s market. And
can it run those products, really? Somehow I can’t see that working
well in the real world.
Yours is not the only voice crying out against reality. Here <https://www.theverge.com/report/894090/macbook-neo-pc-windows-laptop-competition-asus-footinmouth>
is another Apple fanboi taking umbrage at the idea that the Neo is
primarily going to be a content-consumption device ...
On 2026-03-15 15:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 14 Mar 2026 23:47:55 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
First: it can. Second: huh? I bet most Macs don’t have Photoshop and
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 01:49:54 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
Apple has a long history of outstanding support.
“Support” or not, what would you use it for, exactly? Is it
basically a more expensive alternative to a Chromebook? Because it
seems a bit underpowered to run Adobe software, and what is a Mac
that can’t run Adobe software?
the like.
Are you kidding? The Mac world is at least half of Adobe’s market. And
can it run those products, really? Somehow I can’t see that working
well in the real world.
That doesn't mean the ADOBE world is half of the Mac market.
You get that, right?
Yours is not the only voice crying out against reality. Here
<https://www.theverge.com/report/894090/macbook-neo-pc-windows-laptop-competition-asus-footinmouth>
is another Apple fanboi taking umbrage at the idea that the Neo is
primarily going to be a content-consumption device ...
Is the only thing that makes him an "Apple fanboi" in your eyes that he disagrees with you?
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they bothered?
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they bothered?
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they bothered?
On Mar 15, 2026 at 11:16:59 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10p878q$1o8r2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they
bothered?
What makes you think they are losing money to sell products?
On 16 Mar 2026 17:05:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 15, 2026 at 11:16:59 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10p878q$1o8r2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they
bothered?
What makes you think they are losing money to sell products?
Because of what happened last time. The last time Apple got into
low-margin products was back in the 1990s. It was an act of
desperation, which did not end well.
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
On 16 Mar 2026 17:05:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 15, 2026 at 11:16:59 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10p878q$1o8r2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they
bothered?
What makes you think they are losing money to sell products?
Because of what happened last time. The last time Apple got into
low-margin products was back in the 1990s. It was an act of
desperation, which did not end well.
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
On 2026-03-16 15:41, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 17:05:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 15, 2026 at 11:16:59 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10p878q$1o8r2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they
bothered?
What makes you think they are losing money to sell products?
Because of what happened last time. The last time Apple got into
low-margin products was back in the 1990s. It was an act of
desperation, which did not end well.
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
This isn't a "race to the bottom".
The MacBook Neo is a very capable machine, not a bottom of the barrel
POS Windows PC.
On 3/16/2026 6:48 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 15:41, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 17:05:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 15, 2026 at 11:16:59 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10p878q$1o8r2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they
bothered?
What makes you think they are losing money to sell products?
Because of what happened last time. The last time Apple got into
low-margin products was back in the 1990s. It was an act of
desperation, which did not end well.
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
This isn't a "race to the bottom".
The MacBook Neo is a very capable machine, not a bottom of the barrel
POS Windows PC.
I don't disagree with you there - although it's worth mentioning that
some lower-end Windows (or Linux) PCs aren't really so bad. I have 16
GB RAM and a 512 GB SSD in a $190 China-produced PC, it has a low-end
CPU to be sure, but Win11 25H2 performs remarkably well on it, and Linux
was superb. (For clarity's sake, I did spend another $200 for a WinPro license, since its included one was gray-market, but even so that's not
a bad deal if it works well.)
This isn't a "race to the bottom".
The MacBook Neo is a very capable machine, not a bottom of the barrel
POS Windows PC.
I don't disagree with you there - although it's worth mentioning that
some lower-end Windows (or Linux) PCs aren't really so bad. I have 16
GB RAM and a 512 GB SSD in a $190 China-produced PC, it has a low-end
CPU to be sure, but Win11 25H2 performs remarkably well on it, and
Linux was superb. (For clarity's sake, I did spend another $200 for a
WinPro license, since its included one was gray-market, but even so
that's not a bad deal if it works well.)
And yet you won't show us any benchmarks to back your claims...
On 3/16/2026 7:13 PM, Alan wrote:
This isn't a "race to the bottom".
The MacBook Neo is a very capable machine, not a bottom of the
barrel POS Windows PC.
I don't disagree with you there - although it's worth mentioning that
some lower-end Windows (or Linux) PCs aren't really so bad. I have
16 GB RAM and a 512 GB SSD in a $190 China-produced PC, it has a low-
end CPU to be sure, but Win11 25H2 performs remarkably well on it,
and Linux was superb. (For clarity's sake, I did spend another $200
for a WinPro license, since its included one was gray-market, but
even so that's not a bad deal if it works well.)
And yet you won't show us any benchmarks to back your claims...
Do you ever have anything friendly to say? Sheesh. Grow a dick.
On 16 Mar 2026 17:05:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 15, 2026 at 11:16:59 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10p878q$1o8r2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16 Mar 2026 05:23:58 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I think the Neo will compete well with Chromebooks. The horror!
It could be Apple is losing money on it. I wonder why they
bothered?
What makes you think they are losing money to sell products?
Because of what happened last time. The last time Apple got into
low-margin products was back in the 1990s. It was an act of
desperation, which did not end well.
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Meanwhile, the MacBook Neo has people excited about a technological
product for the first time in years.
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
On 16 Mar 2026 23:09:01 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
The facts of economics haven’t changed. Companies accustomed to lower-volume, higher-margin markets tend to be completely unprepared for
the realities of competing in higher-volume, lower-margin markets.
Others have already mentioned that the Neo doesn’t look like a cheap machine: it looks like it was expensive to manufacture. That, too, is
going to impact the already-thin profit margins.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 02:55:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:09:01 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
The facts of economics haven’t changed. Companies accustomed to
lower-volume, higher-margin markets tend to be completely unprepared for
the realities of competing in higher-volume, lower-margin markets.
Others have already mentioned that the Neo doesn’t look like a cheap
machine: it looks like it was expensive to manufacture. That, too, is
going to impact the already-thin profit margins.
https://www.xda-developers.com/apple-macbook-neo-may-be-biggest-threat- windows-years/
He has a point about entry level users. Get them while they're young and you'll have them for life. Apple will need to manage expectations. A
middle school kid will be thrilled. An more experienced user that thinks they're getting a cheap M5 Pro will find the limitations in short order.
On 16 Mar 2026 23:09:01 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
The facts of economics haven’t changed.
Companies accustomed to
lower-volume, higher-margin markets tend to be completely unprepared
for the realities of competing in higher-volume, lower-margin markets.
Others have already mentioned that the Neo doesn’t look like a cheap machine: it looks like it was expensive to manufacture. That, too, is
going to impact the already-thin profit margins.
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:09:01 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the
bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
The facts of economics haven’t changed.
The market has.
I’m sure Apple is making a profit on them. Heck they have then
reduced $100 for the EDU market.
On 17 Mar 2026 06:01:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:09:01 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the
bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
The facts of economics haven’t changed.
The market has.
If anything, margins are lower now than they were in the 1990s.
I’m sure Apple is making a profit on them. Heck they have then
reduced $100 for the EDU market.
Maybe Apple is making a loss there. Call it “predatory pricing”.
Another thing Apple is doing wrong
is tarnishing its premium brand
with a budget product. Marketing 101.
Big difference is Apple note makes a lot of their own chips.
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Another thing Apple is doing wrong is tarnishing its premium brand
with a budget product. Marketing 101.
The budget product is still very good — but I agree there is some
risk here.
On 17 Mar 2026 06:29:56 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Big difference is Apple note makes a lot of their own chips.
No they don’t. They ship off their designs to a contract fab, same as everybody else.
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Another thing Apple is doing wrong is tarnishing its premium brand
with a budget product. Marketing 101.
The budget product is still very good — but I agree there is some
risk here.
You just don’t do it. It confuses the customer. Think of how budget airlines are run: many of them are in fact owned by regular-service
airlines. Maintaining a separate brand ensures that the customer is
clear where they have to go to get a budget no-frills service versus a with-regular-frills service.
Once that rule is broken, it can take a long time to fix.
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I don’t
see the relevance.
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I don’t
see the relevance.
Huge EDU discount and competing with the main EDU systems. Who do you think they’re targeting?
Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Another thing Apple is doing wrong is tarnishing its premium brand
with a budget product. Marketing 101.
The budget product is still very good but I agree there is some
risk here.
You just dont do it. It confuses the customer.
Because of what happened last time. The last time Apple got into
low-margin products was back in the 1990s. It was an act of
desperation, which did not end well.
History repeats.
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I don’t
see the relevance.
On 17 Mar 2026 06:01:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:09:01 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the
bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
The facts of economics haven’t changed.
The market has.
If anything, margins are lower now than they were in the 1990s.
I’m sure Apple is making a profit on them. Heck they have then
reduced $100 for the EDU market.
Maybe Apple is making a loss there. Call it “predatory pricing”.
Another thing Apple is doing wrong is tarnishing its premium brand
with a budget product. Marketing 101.
On 17 Mar 2026 06:01:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:09:01 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa0u3$2d5dl$4@dont-email.me>:
History repeats. Apple has never done well in a race to the
bottom.
So you do not see how things might have changed over 30+ years.
The facts of economics haven’t changed.
The market has.
If anything, margins are lower now than they were in the 1990s.
I’m sure Apple is making a profit on them. Heck they have then
reduced $100 for the EDU market.
Maybe Apple is making a loss there. Call it “predatory pricing”.
Another thing Apple is doing wrong is tarnishing its premium brand
with a budget product. Marketing 101.
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I don’t
see the relevance.
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I don’t
see the relevance.
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I
don’t see the relevance.
Huge EDU discount and competing with the main EDU systems. Who do
you think they’re targeting?
On 17 Mar 2026 09:08:30 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I
don’t see the relevance.
Huge EDU discount and competing with the main EDU systems. Who do
you think they’re targeting?
Time was, Apple had a *proper* education strategy: not just
discounting, but support materials and organization, custom channels,
the whole shebang. That was its “secret sauce” that helped keep the
Mac dominant in the education market.
On 17 Mar 2026 09:08:30 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 07:02:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Remember: Apple used to be huge in the EDU market.
Apple doesn’t seem to be aiming for that market this time, so I
don’t see the relevance.
Huge EDU discount and competing with the main EDU systems. Who do
you think they’re targeting?
Time was, Apple had a *proper* education strategy:
not just discounting,
but support materials and organization, custom channels,
the whole shebang. That was its “secret sauce” that helped keep the
Mac dominant in the education market.
So big deal about discounts. Everybody else is offering discounts,
too. Where’s the Apple value-add?
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are
just twisting in weird ways.
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are
just twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
On Mar 17, 2026 at 4:07:32 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10pcmrk$3bduk$4@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
So you have no clue what they are doing or plan to.
On 17 Mar 2026 23:38:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 4:07:32 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcmrk$3bduk$4@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
So you have no clue what they are doing or plan to.
Clearly, they are not doing anything. Keeping a publicity campaign
secret is ... well, a kind of perverse thing to do, wouldn’t you say?
So big deal about discounts. Everybody else is offering discounts, too. Where’s the Apple value-add?
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are
just twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
On 2026-03-17 17:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 23:38:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 4:07:32 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcmrk$3bduk$4@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
So you have no clue what they are doing or plan to.
Clearly, they are not doing anything. Keeping a publicity campaign
secret is ... well, a kind of perverse thing to do, wouldn’t you say?
You get that there is these things called "timing" and "momentum".
This is March.
Why would you be making a big splash NOW, if you were planning for the
next school year?
On 17 Mar 2026 23:38:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 4:07:32 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcmrk$3bduk$4@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
So you have no clue what they are doing or plan to.
Clearly, they are not doing anything. Keeping a publicity campaign
secret is ... well, a kind of perverse thing to do, wouldn’t you say?
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So big deal about discounts. Everybody else is offering discounts, too.
Where’s the Apple value-add?
'Apple'. Adult Apple users will buy Neos for the kids. The kids will grow
up and buy more expensive Apples. Then they'll but the Neo XII for their kids. Been happening since the Apple II.
On 2026-03-17 17:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 23:38:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 4:07:32 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcmrk$3bduk$4@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
So you have no clue what they are doing or plan to.
Clearly, they are not doing anything. Keeping a publicity campaign
secret is ... well, a kind of perverse thing to do, wouldn’t you say?
You get that there is these things called "timing" and "momentum".
This is March.
Why would you be making a big splash NOW, if you were planning for the
next school year?
On 2026-03-17 9:05 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So big deal about discounts. Everybody else is offering discounts,
too.
Where’s the Apple value-add?
'Apple'. Adult Apple users will buy Neos for the kids. The kids will
grow up and buy more expensive Apples. Then they'll but the Neo XII for
their kids. Been happening since the Apple II.
I entirely agree with this.
On 3/17/26 20:27, Alan wrote:Fair enough...but one also doesn't market to such institutions with
On 2026-03-17 17:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 23:38:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 4:07:32 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcmrk$3bduk$4@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
So you have no clue what they are doing or plan to.
Clearly, they are not doing anything. Keeping a publicity campaign
secret is ... well, a kind of perverse thing to do, wouldn’t you say?
You get that there is these things called "timing" and "momentum".
This is March.
Why would you be making a big splash NOW, if you were planning for the
next school year?
One needs to contemplate who the target market is, and what their
timelines are.
For sales to EDU institutions, when do you suspect (or expect) them to
be developing their budgets & purchase plans for having their IT in
place for Fall 2026? Certainly not just one month prior, right?
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:23:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 9:05 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So big deal about discounts. Everybody else is offering discounts,
too.
Where’s the Apple value-add?
'Apple'. Adult Apple users will buy Neos for the kids. The kids will
grow up and buy more expensive Apples. Then they'll but the Neo XII for
their kids. Been happening since the Apple II.
I entirely agree with this.
The Jesuits perfected it centuries ago. 'Give us a child until he's 7 and he'll be a Catholic for life.'
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:23:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 9:05 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
So big deal about discounts. Everybody else is offering discounts,
too.
Where’s the Apple value-add?
'Apple'. Adult Apple users will buy Neos for the kids. The kids will
grow up and buy more expensive Apples. Then they'll but the Neo XII for
their kids. Been happening since the Apple II.
I entirely agree with this.
The Jesuits perfected it centuries ago. 'Give us a child until he's 7 and he'll be a Catholic for life.'
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are just
twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't even
afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to him from
Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny. The Prescott Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he could.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are just >>>> twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't even
afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to him from
Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny. The Prescott
Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really happened, not that it would surprise me.
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a common
name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is paying for them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government system in various ways including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the time to troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie: off
the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are just >>>> twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't even
afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to him from
Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny. The Prescott
Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really happened, not that it would surprise me.--
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a common
name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is paying for them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government system in various ways including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the time to troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie: off
the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
Glock wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:yea but where does he live
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are just >>>>> twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't even
afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to him from
Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny. The Prescott
Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really
happened, not that it would surprise me.
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a common
name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is paying for
them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government system in various ways >> including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the time to >> troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie: off
the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are just >>>> twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't even
afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to him from
Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny. The Prescott
Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really happened, not that it would surprise me.
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a common
name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is paying for them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government system in various ways including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the time to troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie: off
the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
On 2026-03-18 5:58 p.m., Glock wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to
tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are just >>>>> twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't even
afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to him from
Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny. The Prescott
Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really
happened, not that it would surprise me.
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a common
name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is paying for
them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government system in various ways >> including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the time to >> troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie: off
the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
You mean the Prescott Computer Guy tech services weren't profitable? I
am shocked!
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-03-18 5:58 p.m., Glock wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are
just twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't
even afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to
him from Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny.
The Prescott Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he
could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really
happened, not that it would surprise me.
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a
common name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is
paying for them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government
system in various ways including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the
time to troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie:
off the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
You mean the Prescott Computer Guy tech services weren't profitable?
I am shocked!
And the proof for this doxxing nonsense is …
????
Oh.
Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:69bb4622$1$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-03-18 5:58 p.m., Glock wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and
to tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are >>>>>>> just twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't
even afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to
him from Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny.
The Prescott Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he
could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really
happened, not that it would surprise me.
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a
common name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is
paying for them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government
system in various ways including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the
time to troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie:
off the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
You mean the Prescott Computer Guy tech services weren't profitable?
I am shocked!
And the proof for this doxxing nonsense is …
????
Oh.
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/CNnkBzBc9xY/m/Lymm5z DXDAAJ
I still can't believe you are still alive snit.
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
You mean the Prescott Computer Guy tech services weren't profitable? I
am shocked!
And the proof for this doxxing nonsense is …
????
Oh.
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-03-18 5:58 p.m., Glock wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:15:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-17 7:07 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:46:49 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
And you know they are doing nothing else now?
Because Apple fan(atic)s like you would be the first to know, and to >>>>> tell us. Nay, shout it at us.
You missed the point. The discount is about targeting the EDU
market... not saying it is the only thing they are doing. You are just >>>>>> twisting in weird ways.
Fine. Tell us what else they are doing, then.
Michael Glasser has no idea what Apple is doing because he can't even
afford an Apple device. The last one he used was shipped to him from
Europe by an overly generous person called Marek Novotny. The Prescott >>>> Parasite thanked him by insulting him as soon as he could.
You are saying that this actually happened?
I've read similar posts in a few places but I was not sure it really
happened, not that it would surprise me.
Google turns up some information but it seems Marek Novotny is a common
name like John Smith.
As for Michael Glasser and Apple devices, the U.S. taxpayer is paying for >>> them due to Michael Glasser skimming the government system in various ways >>> including fake disability claims.
Michale Glasser has diseases that haven't even been discovered yet.
Consider that nobody could work a full time job and still have the time to >>> troll at all hours of the day and night.
Michael Glasser also does some minor consulting work on the side ie: off >>> the books, as well.
God help any unsuspecting fool who hires Michael Glasser of Prescott
Arizona for anything computer related.
You *WILL* be sorry.
You mean the Prescott Computer Guy tech services weren't profitable? I
am shocked!
And the proof for this doxxing nonsense is …
????
Oh.
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