But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows
coming with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too.
Summing up a month. Transition to Mac OS has not been seamless, but
Google is a big help. I got along fine in Windows, and just basically
had to learn a different dialect, not a whole new language.
Except for Quicken apps mostly did not change.
Quicken for Mac is VERY different. The interface and workflow are not at
all the same. However, I'm finding that the Mac version can do all the
same things if you just hunt around and spend time to learn. There are a
few workflow differences that are actually more efficient on Mac.
I transitioned to Safari this week, and glad I did. It is in a few ways better organized than Chrome or Edge.
Transition to the hardware has been an absolute joy. You can guess why. Battery life, no fans, no heat, less weight, fluid screen refreshes, no stuttering, instant response, visually more consistent interface, worked great with my existing software and hardware base. The only other thing
I had to buy was a SD card dongle.
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows coming
with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too. I cannot delete these
apps that I have zero use for mostly because I have substitutes:
Chess
Books
Calendar
Freeform
Home
Music
News
and
TV among a few others.
All together about 1 GB of clutter and disk space.
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:40:51 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows
coming with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too.
Trying to escape from the progressive enshittification of one
proprietary system, only to let yourself be captured by another one
... is anybody surprised?
On Mar 20, 2026 at 10:40:51 AM MST, "Tom Elam" wrote <10pk0r6$1q1hb$1@dont-email.me>:
Summing up a month. Transition to Mac OS has not been seamless, but
Google is a big help. I got along fine in Windows, and just basically
had to learn a different dialect, not a whole new language.
Except for Quicken apps mostly did not change.
Quicken for Mac is VERY different. The interface and workflow are not at
all the same. However, I'm finding that the Mac version can do all the
same things if you just hunt around and spend time to learn. There are a
few workflow differences that are actually more efficient on Mac.
I transitioned to Safari this week, and glad I did. It is in a few ways
better organized than Chrome or Edge.
Do you have any specific examples?
Transition to the hardware has been an absolute joy. You can guess why.
Battery life, no fans, no heat, less weight, fluid screen refreshes, no
stuttering, instant response, visually more consistent interface, worked
great with my existing software and hardware base. The only other thing
I had to buy was a SD card dongle.
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows coming
with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too. I cannot delete these
apps that I have zero use for mostly because I have substitutes:
Chess
Books
Calendar
Freeform
Home
Music
News
and
TV among a few others.
All together about 1 GB of clutter and disk space.
You cannot delete those, but they do not really do any harm (other than space,
I guess). Still, it is not the same as the trial-ware and adware and the like.
And some of those apps are to some extent front ends for system services other
apps use -- Calendar for example. Oh, and to be fair, Apple is including some of its own adware these days. Apps pushing their bundles and having ads (such as News). Not a big deal, but not a trend I like.
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:40:51 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows
coming with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too.
Trying to escape from the progressive enshittification of one
proprietary system, only to let yourself be captured by another one
... is anybody surprised?
On 3/20/26 4:59 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:40:51 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows
coming with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too.
Trying to escape from the progressive enshittification of one
proprietary system, only to let yourself be captured by another one
... is anybody surprised?
Really? What is the alternative?
Spending time trying to make Linux work for us after 40 years of
pretty good Windows/Android and now MacOS/iOS experience. No way.
On 3/20/26 5:14 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 20, 2026 at 10:40:51 AM MST, "Tom Elam" wrote
<10pk0r6$1q1hb$1@dont-email.me>:
Summing up a month. Transition to Mac OS has not been seamless, but
Google is a big help. I got along fine in Windows, and just basically
had to learn a different dialect, not a whole new language.
Except for Quicken apps mostly did not change.
Quicken for Mac is VERY different. The interface and workflow are not at >>> all the same. However, I'm finding that the Mac version can do all the
same things if you just hunt around and spend time to learn. There are a >>> few workflow differences that are actually more efficient on Mac.
I transitioned to Safari this week, and glad I did. It is in a few ways
better organized than Chrome or Edge.
Do you have any specific examples?
Transition to the hardware has been an absolute joy. You can guess why.
Battery life, no fans, no heat, less weight, fluid screen refreshes, no
stuttering, instant response, visually more consistent interface, worked >>> great with my existing software and hardware base. The only other thing
I had to buy was a SD card dongle.
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows coming
with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too. I cannot delete these
apps that I have zero use for mostly because I have substitutes:
Chess
Books
Calendar
Freeform
Home
Music
News
and
TV among a few others.
All together about 1 GB of clutter and disk space.
You cannot delete those, but they do not really do any harm (other than space,
I guess). Still, it is not the same as the trial-ware and adware and the like.
And some of those apps are to some extent front ends for system services other
apps use -- Calendar for example. Oh, and to be fair, Apple is including some
of its own adware these days. Apps pushing their bundles and having ads (such
as News). Not a big deal, but not a trend I like.
One small Safari example - you can have your Favorites as a drop-down at
the top or in a sidebar, or both.
Books, News, Music, Home and TV are all Apple paid services or products.
Books - We have a Kindle subscription
News - I use several sources
Music - YouTube Music is included in my Premium subscription
Home - We use Google Home
TV - we have 4 Roku TV sets
And I cannot remove them from this Mac.
On 3/20/26 4:59 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:40:51 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows
coming with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too.
Trying to escape from the progressive enshittification of one
proprietary system, only to let yourself be captured by another one
... is anybody surprised?
Really? What is the alternative?
Spending time trying to make Linux work for us after 40 years of pretty
good Windows/Android and now MacOS/iOS experience. No way.
On 3/20/26 4:59 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:40:51 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows
coming with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too.
Trying to escape from the progressive enshittification of one
proprietary system, only to let yourself be captured by another one
... is anybody surprised?
Really? What is the alternative?
Spending time trying to make Linux work for us after 40 years of pretty
good Windows/Android and now MacOS/iOS experience. No way.
Tom Elam wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/20/26 4:59 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:40:51 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows
coming with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too.
Trying to escape from the progressive enshittification of one
proprietary system, only to let yourself be captured by another one
... is anybody surprised?
Really? What is the alternative?
Spending time trying to make Linux work for us after 40 years of
pretty good Windows/Android and now MacOS/iOS experience. No way.
Linux already works for "us". The big difference is that there is
not a singular powerful company controlling/supporting Linux.
This constraint (of the big companies) limits the choices that can
be made; for some, this is a good thing. [ By choice here, I mean
configuring how one's desktop works. ]
ht one of those cheapo under-the-desk
platforms for the mini PC and the ethernet switch, so I've got
more room up top.
On Mar 21, 2026 at 7:52:24 AM MST, "Tom Elam" wrote <10pmbbc$2hagk$1@dont-email.me>:
On 3/20/26 5:14 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 20, 2026 at 10:40:51 AM MST, "Tom Elam" wrote
<10pk0r6$1q1hb$1@dont-email.me>:
Summing up a month. Transition to Mac OS has not been seamless, but
Google is a big help. I got along fine in Windows, and just basically
had to learn a different dialect, not a whole new language.
Except for Quicken apps mostly did not change.
Quicken for Mac is VERY different. The interface and workflow are not at >>>> all the same. However, I'm finding that the Mac version can do all the >>>> same things if you just hunt around and spend time to learn. There are a >>>> few workflow differences that are actually more efficient on Mac.
I transitioned to Safari this week, and glad I did. It is in a few ways >>>> better organized than Chrome or Edge.
Do you have any specific examples?
Transition to the hardware has been an absolute joy. You can guess why. >>>> Battery life, no fans, no heat, less weight, fluid screen refreshes, no >>>> stuttering, instant response, visually more consistent interface, worked >>>> great with my existing software and hardware base. The only other thing >>>> I had to buy was a SD card dongle.
But, one little complaint. After hearing for years about Windows coming >>>> with program bloat I find that Mac OS does too. I cannot delete these
apps that I have zero use for mostly because I have substitutes:
Chess
Books
Calendar
Freeform
Home
Music
News
and
TV among a few others.
All together about 1 GB of clutter and disk space.
You cannot delete those, but they do not really do any harm (other than space,
I guess). Still, it is not the same as the trial-ware and adware and the like.
And some of those apps are to some extent front ends for system services other
apps use -- Calendar for example. Oh, and to be fair, Apple is including some
of its own adware these days. Apps pushing their bundles and having ads (such
as News). Not a big deal, but not a trend I like.
One small Safari example - you can have your Favorites as a drop-down at
the top or in a sidebar, or both.
OK, fair. I mostly have them at the top -- but also have a button I can push to easily hide them. Useful for making videos for folks where they do not see my (too many) Favorites.
Books, News, Music, Home and TV are all Apple paid services or products.
Books - We have a Kindle subscription
News - I use several sources
Music - YouTube Music is included in my Premium subscription
Home - We use Google Home
TV - we have 4 Roku TV sets
Pretty much the same for me... I use Google News and other sources. I use Pandora and my own downloaded music. Did have a free trial of Apple Music and it was pretty good, but not with the money to me. I do use the app though. Also use Roku.
And I cannot remove them from this Mac.
You can... but it is not recommended or obvious how. Means reducing security (disabling System Integrity Protection (SIP)) and more... and you do not get back all the space you thought you would. These are built into the system... not quite the same as the third party stuff you often get with Windows.
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