I am. The maths is not that hard.
Yup. I pointed this out to him, prior to you doing so too...
...yet he instead gave you the credit for finding this error. Go figure.
I apologize for not trusting you enough to bother to check your figures!
My bad. My mistake. I goofed. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out.
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:
I apologize for not trusting you enough to bother to check your figures!
My bad. My mistake. I goofed. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out.
At my last job there was a saying, “The only people who don’t make a mistake are those who don’t do anything.”
That might explain why no one else on this newsgroup has ever been wrong.
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote <10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
my favorite is when you insisted iOS users are not more secure than
Android ones... no matter the evidence showed. This is the evidence
that got you to freak out:
1. https://www.getastra.com/blog/security-audit/malware-statistics/ -- Android
devices are 50x more likely to be infected than iOS devices, showing the starkest difference in malware prevalence.
2. https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/20-current-android-malware-stats/
-- Android malware attacks reached 33.3 million in 2024; iOS attacks remain very rare.
3. https://securelist.com/mobile-threat-report-2024/115494/ -- Android is the main target for mobile malware, with Trojan banker attacks up 196%; iOS sees far fewer infections.
4. https://46745145.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/46745145/MAPS_MTD/REPORT/GEN/Global%20Mobile%20Threat%20Report%202024%20FINAL%20(1).pdf
-- Android's ecosystem is more broadly exposed to attacks than iOS.
5. https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/threats/android-vs-iphone-mobile-security
-- Android faces far higher malware volume; both require updates and safe practices.
6. https://www.qualysec.com/ios-vs-android-security/ -- iOS is more secure by default; Android needs careful management to match safety.
7. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/370667917_Comparative_Study_of_Information_Security_in_Mobile_Operating_Systems_Android_and_Apple_iOS
-- iOS has superior information security architecture versus Android.
8. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312279414_Security_Evaluation_of_IOS_and_Android/fulltext/587b977308ae4445c06422df/Security-Evaluation-of-IOS-and-Android.pdf
-- iOS offers better enterprise security; Android requires careful management.
9. https://www.renemayrhofer.com/courses/android-security/selected-paper/2023/Android_and_iOS_Platform_Security-A_Comparison.pdf
-- iOS shows stronger hardware and system-level security in 2023-2024.
10. https://www.approov.io/hubfs/White%20Paper/WP-Comparison%20of%20Apple%2C%20Android%20and%20Huawei%20Mobile%20App%20Security%20v1.0%20FINAL(2).pdf
-- iOS apps are more secure by default due to App Store restrictions.
11. https://www.getastra.com/blog/mobile/ios-vs-android-security/ -- iOS's controlled ecosystem reduces malware exposure; Android's openness increases the attack surface.
12. https://www.corrata.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Mobile-Security-Whitepaper-Final-Nov-20112017.pdf
-- iOS is less susceptible to mass malware; Android's openness increases exposure.
13. https://www.lookout.com/threat-intelligence/report/q1-2024-mobile-landscape-threat-report
-- Enterprise spyware targets iOS even though Android dominates overall malware volume.
14. https://www.lookout.com/threat-intelligence/report/q2-2024-mobile-landscape-threat-report
-- Mobile phishing and malicious web content are rising; iOS is increasingly targeted in enterprise.
15. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2024/12/26/mobile-devices-attacks/ -- iOS faced higher phishing exposure (18.4%) than Android (11.4%), despite Android's
higher malware volume.
16. https://www.cybersecurity-insiders.com/vulnerability-comparison-android-vs-ios-in-the-face-of-cyber-attacks/
-- Android is more exposed to vulnerabilities, but iOS still faces targeted attacks.
17. https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.04754 -- Android devices are significantly more
prone to persistent malware infections than iOS.
18. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2105.12613 -- iOS offers stronger protection against
unauthorized access; Android needs extra management.
19. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2109.13722 -- Both OSes have privacy/data collection
issues; Android apps are more likely to leak sensitive information.
20. https://petsymposium.org/popets/2024/popets-2024-0047.pdf -- iOS privacy labels are slightly more effective than Android in helping users understand data collection.
21. https://www.promon.io/security-news/android-vs-ios-security -- Security depends more on user behavior, patching, and configuration than OS alone.
22. https://www.norton.com/blog/mobile/android-vs-ios-which-is-more-secure -- iOS generally offers stronger default security; user behavior is the main risk
on both platforms.
23. https://www.verizon.com/business/resources/Tc13/reports/2024-mobile-security-index.pdf
-- Android is riskier in enterprise without strong management; mobile devices remain key breach vectors.
24. https://lp.zimperium.com/hubfs/Reports/2025%20Global%20Mobile%20Threat%20Report.pdf
-- Sideloaded apps and older Android devices greatly increase enterprise risk;
iOS risk comes mostly from targeted attacks.
On 2026-03-21 21:54:05 +0000, Brock McNuggets said:How about in every post where he declares he only states "facts"?
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote
<10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
More like every second of every day. :-\
I publicly admit I made a mistake - I thank -hh for pointing it out - with facts to back it up! The mistake was made in this thread from this week:
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 01:09:25 -0400
Message-ID: <10pdc25$2uhs$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
Since I rarely make mistakes (usually they're minor math errors but even
so), I publicly point out that I made a mistake this week on the Apple ngs.
1. I used iOS 16's *starting* date instead of the end-of-full-support date
2. That caused me to be off, by about a year on iPhone X full support
3. I humbly, openly and actively publicly apologize for that math error
Worse, I credited "Chris" (who was actually wrong in his math also), but I didn't credit -hh, whose math was the only math that was actually correct.
I apologize to both Chris & -hh but only -hh provided a credible argument. (i.e., you can't just say I'm wrong without calculations of what's right)
Chris said this (which is technically & therefore mathematically wrong):
"Maths isn't your strong point is it? iOS 16 was the main
and fully support OS until the release of iOS 17 plus a few months
as there's always an overlap. That's at last a full year more. "
Message-ID: <10pjsuk$1odgh$1@dont-email.me>
Note that Chris is wrong on his math (by a critically important reason because he doesn't understand when "full" support actually stops), so I didn't take Chris' objections seriously, but -hh was actually correct on
all accounts, since he understood the strategy & the math when he said
"Logically incorrect, because iOS 16 was the latest OS for any iPhone
for later than September 2022, and was receiving updates subsequent
to that date. For example, the latest iOS update on Sept 7, 2023 '
was 16.6.1: Nov 3, 2017 -to- Sept 7, 2023 = 5 years, 10 months, 4 days."
Message-ID: <10pj9pn$1gd1j$1@dont-email.me>
When was the last time I made a mistake?
a. Once I quoted (from memory) 0.002% but it was 0.0002% covid
deaths for children, which I thank Chris for pointing out
(and which made my argument even stronger as a result)
b. Another time was when I didn't believe the "you are wrong!"
assertions from the peanut gallery on privileged ports
(until Tyrone showed me tested commands on Windows 11)
c. ?
Point is, I easily will admit when I'm wrong if I'm wrong but just seeing Alan Baker and Snit assert "Wrong!" isn't credible. Even Chris' objection
to my math wasn't credible because he clearly used the wrong ending date.
It was just accidentally in Chris' favor that he used a later ending date than I did, but -hh used the correct ending date (which is in the middle).
So I was wrong (because I used a too-soon full-support ending date)
Only -hh was right (because he used the correct ending date)
Chris was wrong (because he used a later than actual ending date)
Only -hh used the correct ending date for iOS 16's last known
fully-supported hotfix - which - and this is important - which means only
-hh understood what Apple's actual policy is for full hotfix support!
Given this document that security researchers forced out of Apple:
*Apple About Software Updates*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a>
Apple (HT201222):
"Not all known security issues are addressed in older versions of
iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS."
What only -hh and I have shown any understanding of, is
a. When a new major OS comes out (e.g., iOS 17),
b. The previous OS (iOS 16) does not receive all security fixes,
c. Even if Apple later releases a "security update" for it.
For that, I openly, publicly & honestly appreciably thank -hh for investing his valuable time & energy to correct my too-soon full-support ending date.
-hh wrote:
I am. The maths is not that hard.
Yup. I pointed this out to him, prior to you doing so too...
...yet he instead gave you the credit for finding this error. Go figure.
Hi -hh,
If you "told me", then I give you credit for "telling me", but you have to realize many Apple posters "tell me I'm wrong" all the time but would you bother to back up any of Alan Baker's claims, for example, that I'm wrong?
You'd be wasting your valuable time since he says I'm wrong every time.
But I do now, belatedly, agree with you that I used the wrong end date.
Q: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
A: 5 years + 10.2 months = 70.2 months
Given this document that security researchers forced out of Apple:
*Apple About Software Updates*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a>
1. The iPhone X first shipped for retail sale on November 3, 2017.
2. The last pre-iOS-17 release was iOS 16.6.1 on September 7, 2023.
3. 2,134 days / 365 days in a year = 5.85 years of full iOS support.
Those calculations are based on Apple's own well-documented process.
Apple (HT201222):
"Not all known security issues are addressed in older versions of
iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS."
a. When a new major OS comes out (e.g., iOS 17),
b. The previous OS (iOS 16) does not receive all security fixes,
c. Even if Apple later releases a "security update" for it.
None of my statements have been wrong other than my finger math was off.
Q: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
A: 2,134 days / 365 days in a year = 5.85 years
I appreciate that you and Chris (& I assume maybe even Joerg Lorenz,
Snit & Alan Baker because they always say everything is wrong) noted that I was wrong in my finger math (but not in the strategic decision process).
I calculated the wrong date for the last known pre-iOS-17 release date. That's on me. I didn't trust you or Chris enough.
I apologize, openly & honestly for my faux pas, as I strive to be credible.
Q: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
A: 5 years & 10 months
And there's your quote:
"Nov 3, 2017 -to- Sept 7, 2023 = 5 years, 10 months, 4 days."
I apologize for not trusting you enough to bother to check your figures!
My bad. My mistake. I goofed. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out.
On 2026-03-21 16:54, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-03-21 21:54:05 +0000, Brock McNuggets said:How about in every post where he declares he only states "facts"?
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote
<10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
More like every second of every day. :-\
:-)
I apologize for not trusting you enough to bother to check your figures!
My bad. My mistake. I goofed. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out.
Which I rounded up slightly to 6 years, with precise dates, and not acknowledged in your profuse apology. This well before HH's correction.
Your more egregious error is insisting Android phone are better
supported than I learned the hard way. Apple iPhones. In the whole,
Android falls far short of Apple. I know, I learned the hard way.
Now please admit the truth.
Tom Elam wrote:
I apologize for not trusting you enough to bother to check your figures! >>> My bad. My mistake. I goofed. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out. >>Which I rounded up slightly to 6 years, with precise dates, and not
acknowledged in your profuse apology. This well before HH's correction.
Your more egregious error is insisting Android phone are better
supported than I learned the hard way. Apple iPhones. In the whole,
Android falls far short of Apple. I know, I learned the hard way.
Now please admit the truth.
Hi Tom,
The thread was opened for the strategic reason that I wanted everyone to
know how Apple's "full support" works, where I used the iPhone X as the canonical example.
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote <10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
I publicly admit I made a mistake - I thank -hh for pointing it out - with facts to back it up! The mistake was made in this thread from this week:test
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 01:09:25 -0400
Message-ID: <10pdc25$2uhs$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
Since I rarely make mistakes (usually they're minor math errors but even
so), I publicly point out that I made a mistake this week on the Apple ngs.
1. I used iOS 16's *starting* date instead of the end-of-full-support date
2. That caused me to be off, by about a year on iPhone X full support
3. I humbly, openly and actively publicly apologize for that math error
Worse, I credited "Chris" (who was actually wrong in his math also), but I didn't credit -hh, whose math was the only math that was actually correct.
I apologize to both Chris & -hh but only -hh provided a credible argument. (i.e., you can't just say I'm wrong without calculations of what's right)
Chris said this (which is technically & therefore mathematically wrong):
"Maths isn't your strong point is it? iOS 16 was the main
and fully support OS until the release of iOS 17 plus a few months
as there's always an overlap. That's at last a full year more. "
Message-ID: <10pjsuk$1odgh$1@dont-email.me>
Note that Chris is wrong on his math (by a critically important reason because he doesn't understand when "full" support actually stops), so I didn't take Chris' objections seriously, but -hh was actually correct on
all accounts, since he understood the strategy & the math when he said
"Logically incorrect, because iOS 16 was the latest OS for any iPhone
for later than September 2022, and was receiving updates subsequent
to that date. For example, the latest iOS update on Sept 7, 2023 '
was 16.6.1: Nov 3, 2017 -to- Sept 7, 2023 = 5 years, 10 months, 4 days."
Message-ID: <10pj9pn$1gd1j$1@dont-email.me>
When was the last time I made a mistake?
a. Once I quoted (from memory) 0.002% but it was 0.0002% covid
deaths for children, which I thank Chris for pointing out
(and which made my argument even stronger as a result)
b. Another time was when I didn't believe the "you are wrong!"
assertions from the peanut gallery on privileged ports
(until Tyrone showed me tested commands on Windows 11)
c. ?
Point is, I easily will admit when I'm wrong if I'm wrong but just seeing Alan Baker and Snit assert "Wrong!" isn't credible. Even Chris' objection
to my math wasn't credible because he clearly used the wrong ending date.
It was just accidentally in Chris' favor that he used a later ending date than I did, but -hh used the correct ending date (which is in the middle).
So I was wrong (because I used a too-soon full-support ending date)
Only -hh was right (because he used the correct ending date)
Chris was wrong (because he used a later than actual ending date)
Only -hh used the correct ending date for iOS 16's last known
fully-supported hotfix - which - and this is important - which means only
-hh understood what Apple's actual policy is for full hotfix support!
Given this document that security researchers forced out of Apple:
*Apple About Software Updates*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a>
Apple (HT201222):
"Not all known security issues are addressed in older versions of
iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS."
What only -hh and I have shown any understanding of, is
a. When a new major OS comes out (e.g., iOS 17),
b. The previous OS (iOS 16) does not receive all security fixes,
c. Even if Apple later releases a "security update" for it.
For that, I openly, publicly & honestly appreciably thank -hh for investing his valuable time & energy to correct my too-soon full-support ending date.
-hh wrote:
I am. The maths is not that hard.
Yup. I pointed this out to him, prior to you doing so too...
...yet he instead gave you the credit for finding this error. Go figure.
Hi -hh,
If you "told me", then I give you credit for "telling me", but you have to realize many Apple posters "tell me I'm wrong" all the time but would you bother to back up any of Alan Baker's claims, for example, that I'm wrong?
You'd be wasting your valuable time since he says I'm wrong every time.
But I do now, belatedly, agree with you that I used the wrong end date.
Q: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
A: 5 years + 10.2 months = 70.2 months
Given this document that security researchers forced out of Apple:
*Apple About Software Updates*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a>
1. The iPhone X first shipped for retail sale on November 3, 2017.
2. The last pre-iOS-17 release was iOS 16.6.1 on September 7, 2023.
3. 2,134 days / 365 days in a year = 5.85 years of full iOS support.
Those calculations are based on Apple's own well-documented process.
Apple (HT201222):
"Not all known security issues are addressed in older versions of
iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS."
a. When a new major OS comes out (e.g., iOS 17),
b. The previous OS (iOS 16) does not receive all security fixes,
c. Even if Apple later releases a "security update" for it.
None of my statements have been wrong other than my finger math was off.
Q: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
A: 2,134 days / 365 days in a year = 5.85 years
I appreciate that you and Chris (& I assume maybe even Joerg Lorenz,
Snit & Alan Baker because they always say everything is wrong) noted that I was wrong in my finger math (but not in the strategic decision process).
I calculated the wrong date for the last known pre-iOS-17 release date. That's on me. I didn't trust you or Chris enough.
I apologize, openly & honestly for my faux pas, as I strive to be credible.
Q: How long did the iPhone X actually get full iOS support?
A: 5 years & 10 months
And there's your quote:
"Nov 3, 2017 -to- Sept 7, 2023 = 5 years, 10 months, 4 days."
I apologize for not trusting you enough to bother to check your figures!
My bad. My mistake. I goofed. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out.
Tom Elam wrote:
I apologize for not trusting you enough to bother to check your figures! >>> My bad. My mistake. I goofed. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out. >>Which I rounded up slightly to 6 years, with precise dates, and not
acknowledged in your profuse apology. This well before HH's correction.
Your more egregious error is insisting Android phone are better
supported than I learned the hard way. Apple iPhones. In the whole,
Android falls far short of Apple. I know, I learned the hard way.
Now please admit the truth.
Hi Tom,
The thread was opened for the strategic reason that I wanted everyone to
know how Apple's "full support" works, where I used the iPhone X as the canonical example.
Remember, only Apple has this full-support policy.
Nobody else does.
Not Google. Not Microsoft. Not Samsung. Nobody.
Just Apple.
So you have to read Apple's documentation to understand Apple's policy. Clearly I read the documentation. Years ago. As I've posted about it.
But did you?
Did anyone else?
As far as I can tell, there was no indication whatsoever from anyone other than from -hh that they actually understood Apple's full-support policy.
If you did understand the policy, simply point to the message id in that thread where you showed any indication that you understand Apple's policy.
On 3/21/26 8:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-21 16:54, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-03-21 21:54:05 +0000, Brock McNuggets said:How about in every post where he declares he only states "facts"?
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote
<10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
More like every second of every day. :-\
:-)
Everything he posts has flaws. Take for example the claim that Samsung premium Galaxy phones will be fully supported for 7 years. What happens
when a new model has a new hardware-dependent feature? How is an OS
update going to add that to a 6 year old phone? Just like Apple, iOS
updates cannot update hardware. Therefore older iPhones are not FULLY supported. Apple Intelligence updates in iOS 26 did not apply to my
iPhone 14 Pro. So what?
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote
<10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
Maybe not quite that bad, but certainly many of his so-called PSAs or tutorials have glaring mistakes in them.
Off the top of my head in the last year or so there's been 1) his denial
that ios can't run a SMB server (twice!), 2) his notorious bigger batteries are better regardless of efficiency, 3) penicillin doesn't kill bacteria,
4) that BSSIDs identify people, 5) that he has written "thousands" of tutorials.
Chris wrote:
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25â¯AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote
<10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
Maybe not quite that bad, but certainly many of his so-called PSAs or
tutorials have glaring mistakes in them.
Off the top of my head in the last year or so there's been 1) his denial
that ios can't run a SMB server (twice!), 2) his notorious bigger batteries >> are better regardless of efficiency, 3) penicillin doesn't kill bacteria,
4) that BSSIDs identify people, 5) that he has written "thousands" of
tutorials.
Staying on topic...
As far as I can tell, after *years* of publishing this fact of how Apple releases major full hotfixes, only -hh (& I) have ever understood it.
If you did understand the policy, simply point to the message id in that thread where you showed any indication that you understand Apple's policy.--
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote
<10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
Maybe not quite that bad, but certainly many of his so-called PSAs or tutorials have glaring mistakes in them.
Off the top of my head in the last year or so there's been 1) his denial
that ios can't run a SMB server (twice!),
2) his notorious bigger batteries
are better regardless of efficiency,
3) penicillin doesn't kill bacteria,
4) that BSSIDs identify people,
5) that he has written "thousands" of
tutorials.
On 2026-03-21 21:54:05 +0000, Brock McNuggets said:
On Mar 21, 2026 at 11:11:25 AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote
<10pmn0e$1o6g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
When was the last time I made a mistake?
Pretty much daily...
More like every second of every day. :-\
--my favorite is when you insisted iOS users are not more secure than
Android ones... no matter the evidence showed. This is the evidence
that got you to freak out:
1. https://www.getastra.com/blog/security-audit/malware-statistics/ -- Android
devices are 50x more likely to be infected than iOS devices, showing the
starkest difference in malware prevalence.
2.
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/20-current-android-malware-stats/
-- Android malware attacks reached 33.3 million in 2024; iOS attacks remain >> very rare.
3. https://securelist.com/mobile-threat-report-2024/115494/ -- Android is the
main target for mobile malware, with Trojan banker attacks up 196%; iOS sees >> far fewer infections.
4.
https://46745145.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/46745145/MAPS_MTD/REPORT/GEN/Global%20Mobile%20Threat%20Report%202024%20FINAL%20(1).pdf
-- Android's ecosystem is more broadly exposed to attacks than iOS.
5.
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/threats/android-vs-iphone-mobile-security
-- Android faces far higher malware volume; both require updates and safe
practices.
6. https://www.qualysec.com/ios-vs-android-security/ -- iOS is more secure by
default; Android needs careful management to match safety.
7.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/370667917_Comparative_Study_of_Information_Security_in_Mobile_Operating_Systems_Android_and_Apple_iOS
-- iOS has superior information security architecture versus Android.
8.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312279414_Security_Evaluation_of_IOS_and_Android/fulltext/587b977308ae4445c06422df/Security-Evaluation-of-IOS-and-Android.pdf
-- iOS offers better enterprise security; Android requires careful management.
9.
https://www.renemayrhofer.com/courses/android-security/selected-paper/2023/Android_and_iOS_Platform_Security-A_Comparison.pdf
-- iOS shows stronger hardware and system-level security in 2023-2024.
10.
https://www.approov.io/hubfs/White%20Paper/WP-Comparison%20of%20Apple%2C%20Android%20and%20Huawei%20Mobile%20App%20Security%20v1.0%20FINAL(2).pdf
-- iOS apps are more secure by default due to App Store restrictions.
11. https://www.getastra.com/blog/mobile/ios-vs-android-security/ -- iOS's >> controlled ecosystem reduces malware exposure; Android's openness increases >> the attack surface.
12.
https://www.corrata.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Mobile-Security-Whitepaper-Final-Nov-20112017.pdf
-- iOS is less susceptible to mass malware; Android's openness increases
exposure.
13.
https://www.lookout.com/threat-intelligence/report/q1-2024-mobile-landscape-threat-report
-- Enterprise spyware targets iOS even though Android dominates overall
malware volume.
14.
https://www.lookout.com/threat-intelligence/report/q2-2024-mobile-landscape-threat-report
-- Mobile phishing and malicious web content are rising; iOS is increasingly >> targeted in enterprise.
15. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2024/12/26/mobile-devices-attacks/ -- iOS
faced higher phishing exposure (18.4%) than Android (11.4%), despite Android's
higher malware volume.
16.
https://www.cybersecurity-insiders.com/vulnerability-comparison-android-vs-ios-in-the-face-of-cyber-attacks/
-- Android is more exposed to vulnerabilities, but iOS still faces targeted >> attacks.
17. https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.04754 -- Android devices are significantly more
prone to persistent malware infections than iOS.
18. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2105.12613 -- iOS offers stronger protection against
unauthorized access; Android needs extra management.
19. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2109.13722 -- Both OSes have privacy/data collection
issues; Android apps are more likely to leak sensitive information.
20. https://petsymposium.org/popets/2024/popets-2024-0047.pdf -- iOS privacy >> labels are slightly more effective than Android in helping users understand >> data collection.
21. https://www.promon.io/security-news/android-vs-ios-security -- Security >> depends more on user behavior, patching, and configuration than OS alone.
22. https://www.norton.com/blog/mobile/android-vs-ios-which-is-more-secure --
iOS generally offers stronger default security; user behavior is the main risk
on both platforms.
23.
https://www.verizon.com/business/resources/Tc13/reports/2024-mobile-security-index.pdf
-- Android is riskier in enterprise without strong management; mobile devices
remain key breach vectors.
24.
https://lp.zimperium.com/hubfs/Reports/2025%20Global%20Mobile%20Threat%20Report.pdf
-- Sideloaded apps and older Android devices greatly increase enterprise risk;
iOS risk comes mostly from targeted attacks.
At my last job there was a saying, The only people who dont make a
mistake are those who dont do anything.
That might explain why no one else on this newsgroup has ever been wrong.
By Apple's own latest-OS-only fully patched definition, the iPhone X had about 5.85 years of full hotfix support, ending with iOS 16.6.1 on 7 September 2023
What "assumption" is it that you don't like Chris?
Is it that I assume Apple does what Apple documents that it does?
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