On 2026-05-04 14:33, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/4/26 4:47 PM, Alan wrote:
Wow. Different applications behave differently.
Very similar Mac App functions with different behavior. I'm not
comparing Final Cut Pro to Adobe products here.
Messaging and email aren't really that similar, Liarboy.
Emails are discrete communications, and while you CAN now thread them in most email programs, it is an option. That's why most email
conversations include quoted text.
Messages comes out of SMS messaging which has been inherently threaded conversations for a very long time. Typically one DOESN'T delete
individual messages in thread of messages and replies.
Emails tend to be longer, and one organizes them into folders if they're worth keeping. Emails are (usually) multiple paragraphs, meaning that
an automatic <Send> on hitting return would be absurd.
Messages are short messages dashed off and nobody is organizing them
into folders. Since they're (often) a single sentence (or even just a sentence fragment)...
...and because they're delivered immediately, using <Return> as <Send>
works very well. Even if you intended to write more than a single paragraph...
...(which you CAN do if you learn that <shift-Return> gives you a new
line within a message)...
...the immediacy of the delivery means that the recipient will see them together anyway.
In short, different use cases result in different interfaces.
On 5/5/26 12:08 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-05-04 14:33, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/4/26 4:47 PM, Alan wrote:
Wow. Different applications behave differently.
Very similar Mac App functions with different behavior. I'm not
comparing Final Cut Pro to Adobe products here.
Messaging and email aren't really that similar, Liarboy.
Emails are discrete communications, and while you CAN now thread them in
most email programs, it is an option. That's why most email
conversations include quoted text.
Messages comes out of SMS messaging which has been inherently threaded
conversations for a very long time. Typically one DOESN'T delete
individual messages in thread of messages and replies.
Emails tend to be longer, and one organizes them into folders if they're
worth keeping. Emails are (usually) multiple paragraphs, meaning that
an automatic <Send> on hitting return would be absurd.
Messages are short messages dashed off and nobody is organizing them
into folders. Since they're (often) a single sentence (or even just a
sentence fragment)...
...and because they're delivered immediately, using <Return> as <Send>
works very well. Even if you intended to write more than a single
paragraph...
...(which you CAN do if you learn that <shift-Return> gives you a new
line within a message)...
...the immediacy of the delivery means that the recipient will see them
together anyway.
In short, different use cases result in different interfaces.
But, when you press Return in Mail you get a new line. Same in every
other email app I have ever used. In Messages press Return and you send
the message. That's why you need a Send button in Messages to be
consistent with Mail. Both are means of carrying on a written conversation.
On 5/5/26 12:08 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-05-04 14:33, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/4/26 4:47 PM, Alan wrote:
Wow. Different applications behave differently.
Very similar Mac App functions with different behavior. I'm not
comparing Final Cut Pro to Adobe products here.
Messaging and email aren't really that similar, Liarboy.
Emails are discrete communications, and while you CAN now thread them
in most email programs, it is an option. That's why most email
conversations include quoted text.
Messages comes out of SMS messaging which has been inherently threaded
conversations for a very long time. Typically one DOESN'T delete
individual messages in thread of messages and replies.
Emails tend to be longer, and one organizes them into folders if
they're worth keeping. Emails are (usually) multiple paragraphs,
meaning that an automatic <Send> on hitting return would be absurd.
Messages are short messages dashed off and nobody is organizing them
into folders. Since they're (often) a single sentence (or even just a
sentence fragment)...
...and because they're delivered immediately, using <Return> as <Send>
works very well. Even if you intended to write more than a single
paragraph...
...(which you CAN do if you learn that <shift-Return> gives you a new
line within a message)...
...the immediacy of the delivery means that the recipient will see
them together anyway.
In short, different use cases result in different interfaces.
But, when you press Return in Mail you get a new line. Same in every
other email app I have ever used. In Messages press Return and you send
the message. That's why you need a Send button in Messages to be
consistent with Mail. Both are means of carrying on a written conversation.
On 5/5/26 12:08 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-05-04 14:33, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/4/26 4:47 PM, Alan wrote:
Wow. Different applications behave differently.
Very similar Mac App functions with different behavior. I'm not
comparing Final Cut Pro to Adobe products here.
Messaging and email aren't really that similar, Liarboy.
Emails are discrete communications, and while you CAN now thread them
in most email programs, it is an option. That's why most email
conversations include quoted text.
Messages comes out of SMS messaging which has been inherently threaded
conversations for a very long time. Typically one DOESN'T delete
individual messages in thread of messages and replies.
Emails tend to be longer, and one organizes them into folders if
they're worth keeping. Emails are (usually) multiple paragraphs,
meaning that an automatic <Send> on hitting return would be absurd.
Messages are short messages dashed off and nobody is organizing them
into folders. Since they're (often) a single sentence (or even just a
sentence fragment)...
...and because they're delivered immediately, using <Return> as <Send>
works very well. Even if you intended to write more than a single
paragraph...
...(which you CAN do if you learn that <shift-Return> gives you a new
line within a message)...
...the immediacy of the delivery means that the recipient will see
them together anyway.
In short, different use cases result in different interfaces.
But, when you press Return in Mail you get a new line.
Same in every
other email app I have ever used.
In Messages press Return and you send
the message. That's why you need a Send button in Messages to be
consistent with Mail. Both are means of carrying on a written conversation.
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