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    From mummycullen@mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon May 11 14:04:34 2026
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    🍎 Apple and Intel May Be Working Together Again But Not the Way You Think

    CUPERTINO, California / SANTA CLARA, California Apple and Intel have reportedly reached a preliminary agreement that could see Intel manufacture some of the chips used in future Apple devices.

    The report, first published by The Wall Street Journal and later covered by Reuters, says the two companies have been in serious talks for more than a year. In recent months, those talks reportedly turned into a more formal preliminary arrangement.



    The headline sounds like a blast from the past: Intel may once again be involved in Apple chips.

    But this does not mean Apple is going back to Intel-designed processors.




    " The Important Distinction

    This would not be a return to the old Mac era, when Intel designed the processors inside Apple computers.

    Instead, Intel would reportedly act as a foundry meaning it would manufacture chips that Apple designs.

    That is a huge difference.

    Apple would still control the chip architecture and design strategy. Intel would be helping with the manufacturing side.

    In simple terms:

    * Old Apple-Intel relationship: Intel designed and supplied Mac processors.

    * Reported new Apple-Intel relationship: Apple designs chips, and Intel may manufacture some of them.

    That makes this less of a reunion and more of a strategic supply-chain move.

    🏭 Why Apple Might Want Intel Now

    Apple currently depends heavily on TSMC Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company for the advanced chips inside its devices.

    TSMC has been Apple's most important chipmaking partner for years, especially for the iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, and other Apple silicon products.

    But relying too heavily on one manufacturer creates risk.

    Apple may want more manufacturing options because of:

    * 🌍 Geopolitical risk around Taiwan and global chip supply chains.

    * " Capacity limits as AI companies compete for advanced chip production.

    * " Growing chip demand across iPhone, Mac, iPad, Vision Pro, wearables, and future AI devices.

    * 🇺🇸 Pressure to bring more advanced manufacturing to the United States.

    * ' Rising component costs, including memory and other key parts.

    For Apple, an Intel deal could be a way to diversify without fully abandoning TSMC.

    🇺🇸 Why Washington Is Involved

    According to Reuters and WSJ reporting, the U.S. government played an important role in encouraging Apple and Intel to talk.

    That is not surprising.

    Intel is one of the most important American semiconductor companies, and Washington has spent years trying to rebuild domestic chip manufacturing.

    The U.S. government wants more advanced chips made closer to home, especially as semiconductors become critical for:

    * 🧠 Artificial intelligence

    * - Defense technology

    * 🚗 Electric vehicles

    * " Consumer electronics

    * ☁️ Data centers

    * 🛰️ National-security systems

    An Apple contract would be a major credibility boost for Intel's manufacturing comeback.



    For Washington, this is bigger than Apple and Intel.

    It is about making sure the United States has a stronger domestic chipmaking base in a world where semiconductors are now treated like strategic infrastructure.




    " Why Intel Needs This Win

    Intel has spent years trying to strengthen its contract chip manufacturing business, known as Intel Foundry.

    That business is meant to compete with companies like TSMC and Samsung by manufacturing chips for outside customers.

    But Intel has struggled to prove that it can consistently attract the world's biggest chip clients.

    That is why Apple matters so much.

    Apple is one of the largest consumer-electronics companies in the world. If Intel can make chips for Apple, it could send a powerful message to the rest of the industry:

    Intel Foundry is serious again.

    Reuters noted that landing Apple would give Intel steady demand from one of the biggest device makers in the world and could strengthen Intel's reputation after years of falling behind TSMC in advanced manufacturing.

    " Market Reaction Was Immediate

    Investors reacted quickly to the report.

    According to Reuters, Intel shares jumped sharply after the news, rising around 15% during trading.

    Apple shares also moved higher, though more modestly.

    That reaction makes sense.

    For Intel, Apple would be a high-profile customer and a symbolic victory.

    For Apple, the deal could reduce supply-chain risk and give the company more flexibility as demand for advanced chips continues to rise.

    ' Which Apple Devices Could Use Intel-Made Chips?

    This is still unknown.

    The report says there is no clear public answer yet about which Apple products would use Intel-manufactured chips.

    Possible categories could include:

    * " iPhone chips

    * ' Mac chips

    * " iPad chips

    * 🥽 Vision Pro or future spatial-computing hardware

    * ☁️ Apple AI server chips or internal infrastructure chips

    * " Supporting chips such as modems, controllers, or custom components

    But at this stage, no specific device line has been confirmed.

    That means readers should be careful with dramatic claims like "Intel is making the next iPhone chip" or "Intel is replacing TSMC."

    Right now, the safer statement is:

    Intel may manufacture some future Apple-designed chips, but the exact products are still unclear.

    🧠 Why This Is Ironic

    The story is especially interesting because Apple spent years moving away from Intel.

    In 2020, Apple announced that Macs would transition from Intel processors to Apple silicon chips designed by Apple itself.

    The first major chip in that transition was the M1.

    By 2023, Apple said the Mac transition to Apple silicon was complete.

    That move was widely seen as one of Apple's biggest hardware victories in years. Apple gained more control over performance, battery life, thermal design, and hardware-software integration.

    So if Intel is now coming back into Apple's chip world, it would be in a very different role:

    * Not as the designer.

    * Not as the old Mac CPU supplier.

    * But possibly as a manufacturer for Apple-designed silicon.



    Apple did not leave Intel just to return to the old model.

    If this deal moves forward, it would show how much the chip industry has changed: design and manufacturing are now separate strategic battles.




    ⚠️ Why This Does Not Mean TSMC Is Out

    TSMC is still extremely important to Apple.

    Nothing in the report suggests Apple is abandoning TSMC.

    Instead, this looks more like diversification.

    Apple could continue using TSMC for its most advanced or highest-volume chips while adding Intel as another manufacturing partner for certain products, future nodes, or U.S.-based production needs.

    That would fit Apple's broader supply-chain strategy: avoid depending too much on one company, one country, or one factory network.

    ' The Memory Cost Problem Adds Pressure

    The chipmaking report comes as Apple is also facing another supply-chain issue: rising memory prices.

    Recent reporting has suggested that memory could become a much more expensive part of future iPhones, with some analysis warning that memory costs may rise sharply by 2027.

    That matters because Apple's hardware business depends on careful control of component costs.

    If memory, processors, displays, and other parts all become more expensive, Apple may have to make tough choices:

    * Raise prices.

    * Absorb lower margins.

    * Split flagship and base models more aggressively.

    * Change storage tiers.

    * Diversify suppliers faster.

    A manufacturing deal with Intel would not directly solve memory prices, but it fits into the same bigger story: Apple is trying to control risk in a more expensive and politically complicated hardware supply chain.

    🌍 The Bigger Picture

    This story is not just about Apple.

    It is about the future of global chipmaking.

    Advanced semiconductors are now central to consumer tech, AI, defense, cars, cloud computing, and national security.

    That is why governments are increasingly involved in chip production.

    The reported Apple-Intel agreement sits at the intersection of three major trends:

    * 🇺🇸 The U.S. wants more domestic semiconductor manufacturing.

    * 🏭 Intel wants to prove its foundry business can compete with TSMC.

    * 🍎 Apple wants more chip capacity and less supply-chain dependence.

    If the deal becomes final, it could be one of Intel's most important customer wins in years.

    " Key Takeaways

    * Apple and Intel have reportedly reached a preliminary chipmaking agreement.

    * Intel would reportedly manufacture some chips for future Apple devices.

    * The exact Apple products involved are still unknown.

    * This does not mean Apple is returning to Intel-designed Mac processors.

    * Apple would likely still design the chips itself.

    * Intel would act more like a manufacturing partner or foundry.

    * The deal could help Apple reduce dependence on TSMC.

    * It could also support Washington's push for more U.S.-linked chip production.

    * For Intel, landing Apple would be a major win for its foundry comeback.

    * The agreement is still preliminary, and Apple and Intel have not publicly confirmed final product details.


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  • From CrudeSausage@crude@sausa.ge to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon May 11 17:12:31 2026
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    On 2026-05-11 2:04 p.m., MummyChunk wrote:
    🍎 Apple and Intel May Be Working Together Again  But Not the Way You Think

    CUPERTINO, California / SANTA CLARA, California  Apple and Intel have reportedly reached a preliminary agreement that could see Intel
    manufacture some of the chips used in future Apple devices.

    The report, first published by The Wall Street Journal and later covered
    by Reuters, says the two companies have been in serious talks for more
    than a year. In recent months, those talks reportedly turned into a more formal preliminary arrangement.



    The headline sounds like a blast from the past: Intel may once again
    be involved in Apple chips.

    But this does not mean Apple is going back to Intel-designed processors.




    " The Important Distinction

    This would not be a return to the old Mac era, when Intel designed the processors inside Apple computers.

    Instead, Intel would reportedly act as a foundry  meaning it would manufacture chips that Apple designs.

    That is a huge difference.

    Apple would still control the chip architecture and design strategy.
    Intel would be helping with the manufacturing side.

    In simple terms:

    * Old Apple-Intel relationship: Intel designed and supplied Mac processors.

    * Reported new Apple-Intel relationship: Apple designs chips, and Intel
    may manufacture some of them.

    That makes this less of a reunion and more of a strategic supply-chain
    move.

    🏭 Why Apple Might Want Intel Now

    Apple currently depends heavily on TSMC  Taiwan Semiconductor
    Manufacturing Company  for the advanced chips inside its devices.

    TSMC has been Apple's most important chipmaking partner for years, especially for the iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, and other Apple
    silicon products.

    But relying too heavily on one manufacturer creates risk.

    Apple may want more manufacturing options because of:

    * 🌍 Geopolitical risk around Taiwan and global chip supply chains.

    * " Capacity limits as AI companies compete for advanced chip production.

    * " Growing chip demand across iPhone, Mac, iPad, Vision Pro, wearables,
    and future AI devices.

    * 🇺🇸 Pressure to bring more advanced manufacturing to the United States.

    * ' Rising component costs, including memory and other key parts.

    For Apple, an Intel deal could be a way to diversify without fully abandoning TSMC.

    🇺🇸 Why Washington Is Involved

    According to Reuters and WSJ reporting, the U.S. government played an important role in encouraging Apple and Intel to talk.

    That is not surprising.

    Intel is one of the most important American semiconductor companies, and Washington has spent years trying to rebuild domestic chip manufacturing.

    The U.S. government wants more advanced chips made closer to home, especially as semiconductors become critical for:

    * 🧠 Artificial intelligence

    * - Defense technology

    * 🚗 Electric vehicles

    * " Consumer electronics

    * ☁️ Data centers

    * 🛰️ National-security systems

    An Apple contract would be a major credibility boost for Intel's manufacturing comeback.



    For Washington, this is bigger than Apple and Intel.

    It is about making sure the United States has a stronger domestic
    chipmaking base in a world where semiconductors are now treated like
    strategic infrastructure.




    " Why Intel Needs This Win

    Intel has spent years trying to strengthen its contract chip
    manufacturing business, known as Intel Foundry.

    That business is meant to compete with companies like TSMC and Samsung
    by manufacturing chips for outside customers.

    But Intel has struggled to prove that it can consistently attract the world's biggest chip clients.

    That is why Apple matters so much.

    Apple is one of the largest consumer-electronics companies in the world.
    If Intel can make chips for Apple, it could send a powerful message to
    the rest of the industry:

    Intel Foundry is serious again.

    Reuters noted that landing Apple would give Intel steady demand from one
    of the biggest device makers in the world and could strengthen Intel's reputation after years of falling behind TSMC in advanced manufacturing.

    " Market Reaction Was Immediate

    Investors reacted quickly to the report.

    According to Reuters, Intel shares jumped sharply after the news, rising around 15% during trading.

    Apple shares also moved higher, though more modestly.

    That reaction makes sense.

    For Intel, Apple would be a high-profile customer and a symbolic victory.

    For Apple, the deal could reduce supply-chain risk and give the company
    more flexibility as demand for advanced chips continues to rise.

    ' Which Apple Devices Could Use Intel-Made Chips?

    This is still unknown.

    The report says there is no clear public answer yet about which Apple products would use Intel-manufactured chips.

    Possible categories could include:

    * " iPhone chips

    * ' Mac chips

    * " iPad chips

    * 🥽 Vision Pro or future spatial-computing hardware

    * ☁️ Apple AI server chips or internal infrastructure chips

    * " Supporting chips such as modems, controllers, or custom components

    But at this stage, no specific device line has been confirmed.

    That means readers should be careful with dramatic claims like "Intel is making the next iPhone chip" or "Intel is replacing TSMC."

    Right now, the safer statement is:

    Intel may manufacture some future Apple-designed chips, but the exact products are still unclear.

    🧠 Why This Is Ironic

    The story is especially interesting because Apple spent years moving
    away from Intel.

    In 2020, Apple announced that Macs would transition from Intel
    processors to Apple silicon  chips designed by Apple itself.

    The first major chip in that transition was the M1.

    By 2023, Apple said the Mac transition to Apple silicon was complete.

    That move was widely seen as one of Apple's biggest hardware victories
    in years. Apple gained more control over performance, battery life,
    thermal design, and hardware-software integration.

    So if Intel is now coming back into Apple's chip world, it would be in a very different role:

    * Not as the designer.

    * Not as the old Mac CPU supplier.

    * But possibly as a manufacturer for Apple-designed silicon.



    Apple did not leave Intel just to return to the old model.

    If this deal moves forward, it would show how much the chip industry
    has changed: design and manufacturing are now separate strategic battles.




    ⚠️ Why This Does Not Mean TSMC Is Out

    TSMC is still extremely important to Apple.

    Nothing in the report suggests Apple is abandoning TSMC.

    Instead, this looks more like diversification.

    Apple could continue using TSMC for its most advanced or highest-volume chips while adding Intel as another manufacturing partner for certain products, future nodes, or U.S.-based production needs.

    That would fit Apple's broader supply-chain strategy: avoid depending
    too much on one company, one country, or one factory network.

    ' The Memory Cost Problem Adds Pressure

    The chipmaking report comes as Apple is also facing another supply-chain issue: rising memory prices.

    Recent reporting has suggested that memory could become a much more expensive part of future iPhones, with some analysis warning that memory costs may rise sharply by 2027.

    That matters because Apple's hardware business depends on careful
    control of component costs.

    If memory, processors, displays, and other parts all become more
    expensive, Apple may have to make tough choices:

    * Raise prices.

    * Absorb lower margins.

    * Split flagship and base models more aggressively.

    * Change storage tiers.

    * Diversify suppliers faster.

    A manufacturing deal with Intel would not directly solve memory prices,
    but it fits into the same bigger story: Apple is trying to control risk
    in a more expensive and politically complicated hardware supply chain.

    🌍 The Bigger Picture

    This story is not just about Apple.

    It is about the future of global chipmaking.

    Advanced semiconductors are now central to consumer tech, AI, defense,
    cars, cloud computing, and national security.

    That is why governments are increasingly involved in chip production.

    The reported Apple-Intel agreement sits at the intersection of three
    major trends:

    * 🇺🇸 The U.S. wants more domestic semiconductor manufacturing.

    * 🏭 Intel wants to prove its foundry business can compete with TSMC.

    * 🍎 Apple wants more chip capacity and less supply-chain dependence.

    If the deal becomes final, it could be one of Intel's most important customer wins in years.

    " Key Takeaways

    * Apple and Intel have reportedly reached a preliminary chipmaking agreement.

    * Intel would reportedly manufacture some chips for future Apple devices.

    * The exact Apple products involved are still unknown.

    * This does not mean Apple is returning to Intel-designed Mac processors.

    * Apple would likely still design the chips itself.

    * Intel would act more like a manufacturing partner or foundry.

    * The deal could help Apple reduce dependence on TSMC.

    * It could also support Washington's push for more U.S.-linked chip production.

    * For Intel, landing Apple would be a major win for its foundry comeback.

    * The agreement is still preliminary, and Apple and Intel have not
    publicly confirmed final product details.

    If Intel merely produces chips based on Apple's designs, I don't see the issue. Additionally, it is limited to the lower-end ARM chips, so Intel
    will probably not learn Apple's secrets for incredible performance and
    battery life. Besides, the demand for Apple hardware is only increasing,
    so they will need all the help they can get to produce enough chips to
    meet demand.
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  • From Nick Charles@blankety_blank@blank to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon May 11 18:54:05 2026
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    On 5/11/2026 2:04 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🍎 Apple and Intel May Be Working Together Again  But Not the Way You Think

    CUPERTINO, California / SANTA CLARA, California  Apple and Intel have reportedly reached a preliminary agreement that could see Intel
    manufacture some of the chips used in future Apple devices.

    This is common sense and I'm surprised it took so long.

    For Intel to have ANY future, they need to start making Arm chips. Lots
    and lots of Arm chips.

    Because PC sales have been decreasing for around 13 years. This will
    not change. Arm is the present and the future of computers. All phones
    and tablets are already Arm. For Intel to ignore this market is suicide.
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  • From CrudeSausage@crude@sausa.ge to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon May 11 21:25:31 2026
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    On 2026-05-11 6:54 p.m., Nick Charles wrote:
    On 5/11/2026 2:04 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🍎 Apple and Intel May Be Working Together Again  But Not the Way You
    Think

    CUPERTINO, California / SANTA CLARA, California  Apple and Intel have
    reportedly reached a preliminary agreement that could see Intel
    manufacture some of the chips used in future Apple devices.

    This is common sense and I'm surprised it took so long.

    For Intel to have ANY future, they need to start making Arm chips.  Lots and lots of Arm chips.

    Because PC sales have been decreasing for around 13 years.   This will
    not change.  Arm is the present and the future of computers.  All phones and tablets are already Arm.   For Intel to ignore this market is suicide.

    I agree. I've been a proponent of the PC for the longest time, but the
    release of the M1 changed everything. It was impossible to ignore how important the M series and all hardware based on it was going to change
    the game.
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