Since only Apple devices are designed as dumb terminals,
you must have a
login to the Apple mothership - which - Apple can't protect.
So everyone has your login now.
Because you chose to buy a dumb terminal instead of a real computer.
Apple logins with plain text passwords found in massive database of 184M records
<https://9to5mac.com/2025/05/22/apple-logins-with-plain-text-passwords-found-in-massive-database-of-184m-records/>
No other operating system requires a mothership account.
Just Apple.
No wonder Apple devices are the most exploited in the world.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
'Other logins included Facebook, Google, Instagram, Microsoft, and PayPal.'
On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:48:04 -0700, Alan wrote:
'Other logins included Facebook, Google, Instagram, Microsoft, and PayPal.'
None of those are ever required just to make the device work normally.
No other operating system requires a mothership account.
Just Apple.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/739837/fyi-windows-11-home-will-require-a-microsoft-account-for-initial-setup/>
'However, if you want to use the Google Play Store, download apps, or
back up your data, you will need to sign in with a Google account.'
<https://hellosmartlife.com/do-you-need-a-google-account-to-use-google-pixel/>
On 2025-05-22 10:07, Victor wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:48:04 -0700, Alan wrote:
'Other logins included Facebook, Google, Instagram, Microsoft, and PayPal.' >>None of those are ever required just to make the device work normally.
The point is that data hacks are widespread and don't say anything in particular about any one company.
And beyond having an AppleID, you don't need to give it much personal information.
Apple devices are designed as dumb terminals
No other operating system requires a mothership account.
Just Apple.
No other operating system requires a mothership account.
Just Apple.
Where do you come up with that? I loathe iOS and macOS, but they are
real OSes, and Microsoft is moving to requiring an online account. You
can criticize Apple without making up ridiculous nonsense.
No other operating system requires a mothership account.
Just Apple.
Where do you come up with that? I loathe iOS and macOS, but they are
real OSes, and Microsoft is moving to requiring an online account. You
can criticize Apple without making up ridiculous nonsense.
Hi Joel,
Remember, I probably have more Apple devices than you do.
And I have Android devices too. And I test them.
I don't do only what Apple tells me to do, Joel. Nor Google.
So I know the differences.
You have no clue. Neither do any of the Apple trolls.
None of the Apple trolls knows anything about iOS.
iOS can't really be called a full-fledged operating system.
Because iOS can't do thousands of things every other OS easily does.
I'm not so sure about MacOS but iOS isn't really an operating system.
Being nice, the best you could call it is that it's a toy operating system.
There's almost nothing you can do with it that *every* other common
consumer operating system does, e.g., something as simple as add a >system-wide firewall, or use the Tor Browser, or run Wi-Fi graphical >debugging tools, or simply change the skin (i.e., the launcher) or set the >default app to almost any file type, to spoofing the GPS, to simply >connecting the device to a PC not from Apple and slide files back and
forth.
At best, iOS is brain dead out of the box.
It can't do the most basic of things every other operating system does.
Even if you pull down your pants to let Apple gleefully shove their >privacy-robbing AppleID deeply into your asshole, all the painful screaming >in the world means nothing to Apple who hates their customer two much they >won;t even let you remove that stick up your ass by removing the 2FA.
No other common consumer OS vender hates their customer as much as Apple
does in that NOBODY but Apple requires 2FA just to use the device daily.
Only Apple requires that mothership account shoved up your ass (if you want >the device to do anything at all - even as it's brain dead anyway).
And only Apple enjoys your pain so much after shoving that account up your >ass that Apple won't let you remove the 2FA which Apple requires you have.
On Thu, 22 May 2025 10:14:24 -0700, Alan wrote:
On 2025-05-22 10:07, Victor wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:48:04 -0700, Alan wrote:
'Other logins included Facebook, Google, Instagram, Microsoft,
and PayPal.'
None of those are ever required just to make the device work
normally.
The point is that data hacks are widespread and don't say anything
in particular about any one company.
And beyond having an AppleID, you don't need to give it much
personal information.
When someone has your Apple ID and password, especially from a
database leak like the one mentioned in the 9to5Mac article, they
gain access to a significant portion of your digital life within the
Apple ecosystem. This is incredibly serious, and here's a breakdown
of what they could get:
Direct Access to Your Apple Services and Data:
iCloud Data: This is a huge one. They can access: Photos and Videos:
All photos and videos stored in iCloud Photos. iCloud Drive Files:
Any documents, PDFs, or other files you've saved to iCloud Drive.
iCloud Backups: Backups of your iPhone, iPad, and other Apple
devices, which can contain a vast amount of personal data (messages,
app data, health data, call history, etc.). Contacts, Calendars,
Notes, Reminders: All your synced personal information.
iMessage and FaceTime History: Your communication records. Health
Data: If synced to iCloud. Passwords (iCloud Keychain): While iCloud
Keychain is encrypted, if they can log in to your Apple ID on a new
trusted device (which they could attempt to do), they might gain
access to your saved passwords for websites and apps.
Purchases: App Store and iTunes Store Purchases: They can see your
purchase history and potentially make new purchases using your saved
payment methods. Apple Pay: If your Apple ID is linked to Apple Pay,
they might be able to use your payment methods.
Find My: Device Location: They can see the real-time location of all
your Apple devices (iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, AirPods,
AirTags). Device Locking/Erasing: They could remotely lock your
devices, display a message, or even erase them, rendering them
unusable to you.
Tracking You: They can track your location and the locations of
people you share your location with.
Messages and FaceTime: They can send and receive messages and make
FaceTime calls as you, potentially scamming your contacts. Settings
and Preferences: They can see and potentially change many of your
Apple ID and device settings. Risks Beyond Direct Access:
Identity Theft: With access to your personal information (email,
phone numbers, birth date, payment info, even documents in iCloud
Drive), they could use this to attempt identity theft. Financial
Loss: Unauthorized purchases through the App Store, iTunes Store, or
Apple Pay.
Phishing and Scams: Knowing your Apple ID and password makes it
easier for them to craft highly convincing phishing attempts that
could trick you into revealing even more sensitive information
(e.g., banking details, other online account passwords).
Access to Other Accounts (Password Reuse): The 9to5Mac article
explicitly states that this database contained logins for various
other services, including Facebook, Google, Microsoft, banks, and
government portals. If you reuse your Apple ID password on other
sites, those accounts are also now severely compromised. This is why
password reuse is a major security risk.
Ransomware/Extortion: In extreme cases, they might lock your devices
or encrypt your data and demand a ransom. What You Should Do
IMMEDIATELY (if your Apple ID was part of a breach or you suspect compromise):
Change your Apple ID password immediately.
Make it strong, unique,
and long.
Enable Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) for your Apple ID
if you haven't already. This is critical! Even if they have your
password, they won't be able to log in without access to your
trusted device to receive the verification code. Review your trusted
devices in your Apple ID settings (Settings > [Your Name] > Password
& Security > Trusted Devices). Remove any devices you don't
recognize. Check your account information: Verify your name, phone
numbers, email addresses, and payment methods are correct and
haven't been altered by the attacker. Monitor your bank and credit
card statements for any unauthorized purchases. Be vigilant for
phishing attempts: Be extra cautious about any emails or messages
that appear to be from Apple or other services, especially if they
ask for personal information or direct you to click on links.
Consider using a password manager to generate and store strong,
unique passwords for all your online accounts, reducing the risk of
password reuse. Use tools like Have I Been Pwned to check if your
email addresses or phone numbers have appeared in other data
breaches. The article emphasizes that the passwords were found in
"plain text," which is a nightmare scenario as it means the
attackers don't even need to crack or decrypt them. This underscores
the severity of such a breach and the importance of strong security practices.
So, is it meth or cocaine, that you're on? Heh.
So, is it meth or cocaine, that you're on? Heh.
Classic Apple troll response, Joel.
You prove all the Apple trolls own the capacitive mind of a small child.
You tell these Apple trolls facts about the Apple devices they love.
And all they can respond with to the facts - are their childish taunts.
Q: Why can't Joel respond to the facts about Apple like an adult would?
A: He's an Apple troll, that's why. He owns the mind of a small child.
Incorrect, I think iOS and macOS are garbage, crapware, goofy even.
Certainly I agree with you that they're less secure, but I don't agree
that an iPhone is a dumb terminal, that's just ignoring a basic fact.
Incorrect, I think iOS and macOS are garbage, crapware, goofy even.
Certainly I agree with you that they're less secure, but I don't agree
that an iPhone is a dumb terminal, that's just ignoring a basic fact.
You can disagree with the facts - but if you say I'm on drugs simply
because you hate the facts - that says more about you than about me.
I respond to each person in the way that they approach me, where I consider >your response above that of an adult - so I will respond in kind as an
adult.
Why do I claim the iPhone is a dumb terminal, Joel?
Might it be because almost nothing works on iOS unless you log that
terminal into the Apple mainframe servers, Joel?
Worse, if you don't have an account on the mainframe, then the dumb
terminal device does almost nothing but take pictures. That's about it.
You can't run any software other than what came with the device, Joel.
That's pretty dumb since almost nobody can make do with the native apps.
But what's worse, is even if you do create an account on the mainframe, the >device is *still* a dumb terminal in that it can't do anything every other >operating system does, Joel.
Why can't iOS run the Tor Browser, for example?
Why can't iOS run a system-wide Firewall, for example?
Why can't iOS do graphical wi-fi/cellular debugging, for example?
The list of things every other operating system does that iOS can't do is >astoundingly high, Joel. It's astronomical what iOS can't do. It's a toy.
At best, iOS is a toy.
But it's really just a dumb terminal.
Without logging into Apple's mainframes, it can't do anything useful.
And even with logging into the mainframes, it's still brain dead.
Try to set the default app launcher for example, on iOS.
Try to spoof your GPS location for example, on iOS.
Try to set the default camera app, or music player or video player or file >manager or homescreen launcher, etc.
The best characterization of iOS is that it's merely a dumb terminal.
And even when you log into the mainframe, then it progresses to being brain >dead since it can't do thousands of things every other OS easily does.
You can disagree with the facts - but if you say I'm on drugs simply
because you hate the facts - that says more about you than about me.
It may have restrictions on what you can do without logging in, I
really don't know, but that doesn't equate to it being a dumb
terminal. It is a real computer system known as smartphone.
You can't run any software other than what came with the device, Joel. >>That's pretty dumb since almost nobody can make do with the native apps.
Well, frankly I don't get why one would buy a proprietary-OS device if
they aren't willing to have an online account with the OEM, that's
true in Windows 11, Google account for an Android device, it might not
always be required as you are saying it is with iOS, but it has real
purpose in using the device.
But what's worse, is even if you do create an account on the mainframe, the >>device is *still* a dumb terminal in that it can't do anything every other >>operating system does, Joel.
Why can't iOS run the Tor Browser, for example?
Why can't iOS run a system-wide Firewall, for example?
Why can't iOS do graphical wi-fi/cellular debugging, for example?
The list of things every other operating system does that iOS can't do is >>astoundingly high, Joel. It's astronomical what iOS can't do. It's a toy.
At best, iOS is a toy.
But it's really just a dumb terminal.
Without logging into Apple's mainframes, it can't do anything useful.
And even with logging into the mainframes, it's still brain dead.
Try to set the default app launcher for example, on iOS.
Try to spoof your GPS location for example, on iOS.
Try to set the default camera app, or music player or video player or file >>manager or homescreen launcher, etc.
The best characterization of iOS is that it's merely a dumb terminal.
And even when you log into the mainframe, then it progresses to being brain >>dead since it can't do thousands of things every other OS easily does.
You can disagree with the facts - but if you say I'm on drugs simply >>because you hate the facts - that says more about you than about me.
I don't know enough about iOS to take all that apart, you could be
right I guess, I'll probably never know because I wouldn't spend a
dime on Apple's crapware and gear.
Third, Google is included. Do they have YOUR Google login? Microsoft?
On Fri, 23 May 2025 00:23:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Third, Google is included. Do they have YOUR Google login? Microsoft?
Everything I said is factually true.
Apple logins with plain text passwords found in massive database of 184M records
<https://9to5mac.com/2025/05/22/apple-logins-with-plain-text-passwords-found-in-massive-database-of-184m-records/>
"Fowler believes that the data was likely gathered from infostealers ¡V malware specifically designed to mine devices for personal information."
On 23 May 2025 18:07:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
"Fowler believes that the data was likely gathered from infostealers –
malware specifically designed to mine devices for personal information."
The problem with Apple devices, Jolly Roger, is you *must* log into the Cupertino mothership for iOS devices to do anything whatsoever useful.
On Fri, 23 May 2025 00:23:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Third, Google is included. Do they have YOUR Google login? Microsoft?
Everything I said is factually true. You just don't like the facts.
On May 22, 2025 at 10:51:58 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2025 00:23:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Third, Google is included. Do they have YOUR Google login? Microsoft?
Everything I said is factually true. You just don't like the facts.
LOL, good one.
So "everyone now has your login" is "factually true"? It's an opinion not based in reality. Which means it is "non-factually" true in your mind.
Which accounts for 99% of the absurd claims you post.
Which accounts for 99% of the absurd claims you post.
Accurate.
On Sat, 24 May 2025 16:17:33 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Which accounts for 99% of the absurd claims you post.
Accurate.
The main point is that because Apple products essentially require a login account to the mothership just to work at the basic level (which no other common consumer operating system requires - just Apple requires it)...
Because the iPhone is designed as a dumb terminal - it has to have a login. And because it has to have a login - it's vulnerable to these databases.
On my Windows machine, there's only a local account. And it doesn't even
have a password - so being in this database wouldn't allow anyone to log
into Microsoft's servers on my account.
Only Apple *requires* (essentially) that account.
Nobody else.
On my Android phone, for example, there isn't even a PIN because it's not needed. Mainly iOS needs biometrics because it's a dumb system overall.
Apple requires the login to protect them. Not you.
More specifically, they want to protect their mainframe servers.
Not your phone.
Any system that requires a login when none are needed, is poorly designed.
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