• Happy 50th birthday Apple

    From super70s@super70s@super70s.invalid to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Thu Apr 2 13:07:58 2026
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    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and
    after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations
    going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/


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  • From vintageapplemac@vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sun Apr 12 11:16:45 2026
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    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and
    after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.


    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/


    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a
    crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell
    them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of
    the design and then gone crazy from there.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Mon Apr 13 10:42:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On 2026-04-12 10:16:45 +0000, scole said:
    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and
    after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations
    going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/


    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell
    them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of
    the design and then gone crazy from there.

    The "20th Anniversary Mac" was released in 1997, a year late, so you
    might get a "50th Anniversary Mac" next year. ;-)


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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Mon Apr 13 14:26:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:16:45 +0100, vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole)
    wrote:

    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s ><super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and
    after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations
    going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/


    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th >Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a >crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell
    them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of
    the design and then gone crazy from there.

    Hmmm: M23 chip with 257 cores and 876 TB of onboard RAM. GPU with
    1,267 cores. 76 Yottabyte SSD with secondary 1,278 Zettabyte spinny
    rust drive. All onboard chips and buses to be 32,768 bits wide with a
    32,768 bit wide Operating System. Multiple connections to that there interwebby, combining to about twenty-seven peta*BYTES* per second. 38
    inch screen with a resolution of 28,000 by 21,000 pixels and eight
    thousand million shades, hues and colours. Portable. Multi-laser
    interference projection mode to display 3D holograph-style motion
    images with more resolution than the screen.

    Of course, user upgradable. :)

    No "A.I.", no Siri. No "remote telemetry".

    Powered by a nuclear battery pack.

    Scrollable into a 3" indestructible tube.

    Priced at ten thousand dollars USAlien or fifty pounds UKlander (to
    UKlander citizens only, geographical region limited.)

    Oh, and don't forget to include the very best in sound cards and
    speakers. Together with super-tech headset and V.R. piped directly to
    the users' optic nerves. :)

    J.

    p.s. Anything I've forgotten? No, it should not include a stardrive,
    that's an additional peripheral. :)
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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Mon Apr 13 14:28:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 14:26:33 +0100, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:16:45 +0100, vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole)
    wrote:

    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s >><super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and
    after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations >>> going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/


    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th >>Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a >>crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell >>them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of
    the design and then gone crazy from there.

    Hmmm: M23 chip with 257 cores and 876 TB of onboard RAM. GPU with
    1,267 cores. 76 Yottabyte SSD with secondary 1,278 Zettabyte spinny
    rust drive. All onboard chips and buses to be 32,768 bits wide with a
    32,768 bit wide Operating System. Multiple connections to that there >interwebby, combining to about twenty-seven peta*BYTES* per second. 38
    inch screen with a resolution of 28,000 by 21,000 pixels and eight
    thousand million shades, hues and colours. Portable. Multi-laser
    interference projection mode to display 3D holograph-style motion
    images with more resolution than the screen.

    Of course, user upgradable. :)

    No "A.I.", no Siri. No "remote telemetry".

    Powered by a nuclear battery pack.

    Scrollable into a 3" indestructible tube.

    Priced at ten thousand dollars USAlien or fifty pounds UKlander (to
    UKlander citizens only, geographical region limited.)

    Oh, and don't forget to include the very best in sound cards and
    speakers. Together with super-tech headset and V.R. piped directly to
    the users' optic nerves. :)

    J.

    p.s. Anything I've forgotten? No, it should not include a stardrive,
    that's an additional peripheral. :)


    "no A.I., no SIRI", well, you did specify "ridiculous".
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Tue Apr 14 16:28:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On 2026-04-13 13:26:33 +0000, John said:

    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:16:45 +0100, vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole)
    wrote:

    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and
    after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations
    going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.


    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/



    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th >> Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a
    crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell
    them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of
    the design and then gone crazy from there.

    Hmmm: M23 chip with 257 cores and 876 TB of onboard RAM. GPU with
    1,267 cores. 76 Yottabyte SSD with secondary 1,278 Zettabyte spinny
    rust drive. All onboard chips and buses to be 32,768 bits wide with a
    32,768 bit wide Operating System. Multiple connections to that there interwebby, combining to about twenty-seven peta*BYTES* per second. 38
    inch screen with a resolution of 28,000 by 21,000 pixels and eight
    thousand million shades, hues and colours. Portable. Multi-laser
    interference projection mode to display 3D holograph-style motion
    images with more resolution than the screen.

    Of course, user upgradable. :)

    No "A.I.", no Siri. No "remote telemetry".

    Powered by a nuclear battery pack.

    Scrollable into a 3" indestructible tube.

    Priced at ten thousand dollars USAlien or fifty pounds UKlander (to
    UKlander citizens only, geographical region limited.)

    Oh, and don't forget to include the very best in sound cards and
    speakers. Together with super-tech headset and V.R. piped directly to
    the users' optic nerves. :)

    J.

    p.s. Anything I've forgotten? No, it should not include a stardrive,
    that's an additional peripheral. :)

    Personal jetpack, Star Trek-style transporter, ... ;-)

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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Tue Apr 14 16:30:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On 2026-04-13 13:28:12 +0000, John said:
    On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 14:26:33 +0100, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:16:45 +0100, vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole)
    wrote:
    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and >>>> after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations >>>> going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/


    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th >>> Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a >>> crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell
    them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of
    the design and then gone crazy from there.

    Hmmm: M23 chip with 257 cores and 876 TB of onboard RAM. GPU with
    1,267 cores. 76 Yottabyte SSD with secondary 1,278 Zettabyte spinny
    rust drive. All onboard chips and buses to be 32,768 bits wide with a
    32,768 bit wide Operating System. Multiple connections to that there
    interwebby, combining to about twenty-seven peta*BYTES* per second. 38
    inch screen with a resolution of 28,000 by 21,000 pixels and eight
    thousand million shades, hues and colours. Portable. Multi-laser
    interference projection mode to display 3D holograph-style motion
    images with more resolution than the screen.

    Of course, user upgradable. :)

    No "A.I.", no Siri. No "remote telemetry".

    Powered by a nuclear battery pack.

    Scrollable into a 3" indestructible tube.

    Priced at ten thousand dollars USAlien or fifty pounds UKlander (to
    UKlander citizens only, geographical region limited.)

    Oh, and don't forget to include the very best in sound cards and
    speakers. Together with super-tech headset and V.R. piped directly to
    the users' optic nerves. :)

    J.

    p.s. Anything I've forgotten? No, it should not include a stardrive,
    that's an additional peripheral. :)

    "no A.I., no SIRI", well, you did specify "ridiculous".

    Few people care. AI is really a silly waste of time and money that has
    been created simply to sell more newer devicies to people with more
    money than sense because the tech companies can't actually come up with anything new that is useful.



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  • From super70s@super70s@super70s.invalid to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Tue Apr 14 12:28:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On 2026-04-14 04:28:04 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2026-04-13 13:26:33 +0000, John said:

    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:16:45 +0100, vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole)
    wrote:

    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and >>>> after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations >>>> going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.


    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/



    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th >>> Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a >>> crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell
    them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of
    the design and then gone crazy from there.

    Hmmm: M23 chip with 257 cores and 876 TB of onboard RAM. GPU with
    1,267 cores. 76 Yottabyte SSD with secondary 1,278 Zettabyte spinny
    rust drive. All onboard chips and buses to be 32,768 bits wide with a
    32,768 bit wide Operating System. Multiple connections to that there
    interwebby, combining to about twenty-seven peta*BYTES* per second. 38
    inch screen with a resolution of 28,000 by 21,000 pixels and eight
    thousand million shades, hues and colours. Portable. Multi-laser
    interference projection mode to display 3D holograph-style motion
    images with more resolution than the screen.

    Of course, user upgradable. :)

    No "A.I.", no Siri. No "remote telemetry".

    Powered by a nuclear battery pack.

    Scrollable into a 3" indestructible tube.

    Priced at ten thousand dollars USAlien or fifty pounds UKlander (to
    UKlander citizens only, geographical region limited.)

    Oh, and don't forget to include the very best in sound cards and
    speakers. Together with super-tech headset and V.R. piped directly to
    the users' optic nerves. :)

    J.

    p.s. Anything I've forgotten? No, it should not include a stardrive,
    that's an additional peripheral. :)

    Personal jetpack, Star Trek-style transporter, ... ;-)

    How about some way for computer data to be absorbed into the human
    body. Several years ago I was transferring data to a newer computer
    using external drives and online storage and in the midst of the
    activity I was halfway across the room before I realized I couldn't do
    a command-C text grab on the old computer and a command-V on the new
    one. Technology hadn't advanced that far yet.

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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Wed Apr 15 12:24:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 12:28:47 -0500, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-04-14 04:28:04 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2026-04-13 13:26:33 +0000, John said:

    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:16:45 +0100, vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole)
    wrote:

    In article <10qmb9u$298lm$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I saw this as a brief headline on the BBC's news streaming channel and >>>>> after googling it it seemed to be a pretty big affair with celebrations >>>>> going on all across the globe, and with none other than Sir Paul
    McCartney performing in Cupertino.


    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-hosts-50th-anniversary-celebrations-around-the-world/



    Wouldn't it have been wonderul for them to have released a ridiculous 50th >>>> Anniversary Macintosh, like the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? Like, just a >>>> crazy looking acid-trip of a design? Make 10,000 of the things and sell >>>> them by ballot/lottery so everyone's got a fair shot of snagging one.

    Personally, I'd have taken the 20th Anniversary machine as the basis of >>>> the design and then gone crazy from there.

    Hmmm: M23 chip with 257 cores and 876 TB of onboard RAM. GPU with
    1,267 cores. 76 Yottabyte SSD with secondary 1,278 Zettabyte spinny
    rust drive. All onboard chips and buses to be 32,768 bits wide with a
    32,768 bit wide Operating System. Multiple connections to that there
    interwebby, combining to about twenty-seven peta*BYTES* per second. 38
    inch screen with a resolution of 28,000 by 21,000 pixels and eight
    thousand million shades, hues and colours. Portable. Multi-laser
    interference projection mode to display 3D holograph-style motion
    images with more resolution than the screen.

    Of course, user upgradable. :)

    No "A.I.", no Siri. No "remote telemetry".

    Powered by a nuclear battery pack.

    Scrollable into a 3" indestructible tube.

    Priced at ten thousand dollars USAlien or fifty pounds UKlander (to
    UKlander citizens only, geographical region limited.)

    Oh, and don't forget to include the very best in sound cards and
    speakers. Together with super-tech headset and V.R. piped directly to
    the users' optic nerves. :)

    J.

    p.s. Anything I've forgotten? No, it should not include a stardrive,
    that's an additional peripheral. :)

    Personal jetpack, Star Trek-style transporter, ... ;-)

    How about some way for computer data to be absorbed into the human
    body. Several years ago I was transferring data to a newer computer
    using external drives and online storage and in the midst of the
    activity I was halfway across the room before I realized I couldn't do
    a command-C text grab on the old computer and a command-V on the new
    one. Technology hadn't advanced that far yet.

    The physics of an ST-transporter are impossible. It is simple
    arithmetic. 10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a
    bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    It's a non-starter. I did the maths decades ago.

    Also, it's murder. The landed object is not a living human being, it
    would, were it to be possible, which it is *not*, be a copy, a
    facsimile, a dead man walking. Why is this certain? Okay, consider a
    case where we disassemble a human then do not bother connecting up the re-assembly beam. Time for wills and lawyers.

    Personal jet-packs are easy. Indeed, they are quite common. Their
    drawbacks are two-fold: fuel and fire. Humans can't carry sufficient
    fuel to power the buggers for more than a few seconds and the hot jets
    tend to cook the dangly bits.

    Real-world Physics is an uncompromising bitch but she *works*. :)

    J.




    N.B.: *LEGS*!!! The backs of the legs. What we need is a cool jet
    ejected from a nuclear-powered pack. Preferably one that has a power
    plant that lasts for more than a century.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Wed Apr 15 17:40:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    [...]
    10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    ...but apart from that, is there any reason why it couln't be done?
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Thu Apr 16 20:46:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:40:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    [...]
    10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a
    bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of
    death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    ...but apart from that, is there any reason why it couln't be done?

    We.eee...ee.llllll, if we assume that we want Human-A on the planet
    and she's supposed to be the same person as Human-B who stood upon the processing plate, with a complete continuation of her thoughts, then
    we'd need to "store her in the buffer" rapidly enough that every
    single particle and its every single and conjugated energy state and
    quantum level would be moved from pad to planet simultaneously, with
    no errors, no slippages, no distortions and no lacunae, as one entire
    unit. Not an energy matrix formed from the original B but the original
    B itself, complete with muscles, blood cells, internal gases,
    lymphatic fluids, 30,000 hairs, lipstick and chewing gum. Every atom,
    every molecule, every protein, every electron being in A as it was in
    person B.

    This needs to take place well within a Plank unit of time so there is absolutely no discontinuity of existence.

    And Human-A, when rebuilt, must have the very same particles, down to
    the gluons, quarks and energy fields, that were once Human-B. Not
    remade bits from an energy beam but the very same ones, having
    continuously existed from pad to planet.

    The fax machine in Tokyo does not eject the *same* paper as was put
    into the fax machine in London.

    With 19th Century facsimile copying machinery and their descendants,
    we *know* that two copies exist. With 23rd Century "Star Fleet"
    technologies, the original is destroyed to avoid legal wrangling. It
    is murder.

    But the real issue is the energy level. When I calculated the power
    of the scanning beam necessary to pin-point the precise positions and
    momenta of every particle of a human body, I was exceedingly
    conservative. I assumed that the beam would take an origin point and
    would refer all locations to that point, to save in descriptive
    information. That maybe a kilobyte would be needed to locate a
    particle, and maybe another to describe its momentum and that the body contained about ten to the twenty-fifth power of particles. Avogadro's
    number times a couple of magnitude to allow for 100 kilograms of mass.
    I also assumed one second for the scan, which is a horrendously
    ludicrous amount of time. So many things move around in that much
    interval that the scan would resemble half-digested pea soup and the
    rebuild would be jam, if it even resembled anything solid.

    I also assumed that technology would someday be available to lens and
    focus photons with individual energies comparable to the mass of a
    cannon ball, which is what would be the power of a beam with a
    frequency needed to scan the subject rapidly enough for the technology
    to have some vague chance of reading it. Note that such a photon, if
    bounced off of a particle, would not sense it, it would simply
    annihilate it. There is no compromise energy level between not
    disturbing the particles and reading them rapidly enough for the
    process to be useful, no mini-max, no best-magnitude. Atoms,
    molecules, cells, fluids, gases and sub-atomic bits are simply too
    small for rapid scanning of 10*25 of them to be feasible in a human
    timescale. The numbers don't work.

    19th Century facsimile machines can read pages very slowly because
    pages just sit there. The ink stays still as it rolls through the
    drive. Humans are *far* messier. Make one error in transcription and
    the human is dead, different or deformed. Or, realistically, soup and
    vapours.

    StarFleet transporters can not happen. Simple arithmetic forbids it
    and legally they are murdering machinery.

    Now, "StarGate" jump rings, those may be possible. Those wrap the
    body in a bubble of sub-space and send the entire package, like an
    email with headers, footers and routing information, to the target
    ring set through sub-space. Carter was wrong. The gate does not "demolecularise" anything. Every StarGate technology sends the
    complete object as a sub-space package. That is why hyperdrives,
    StarGates, jump-rings and Asir beaming technologies all work and all
    work in a similar fashion.

    For Ancient tech to work, all we need is a sub-space and a way to
    make bubbles out of it.

    The lovely and creative Mr. Rodenberry gave us transporters to save
    on the crews leaping into and out of shuttles fifty times per episode.
    It was a brilliant plot-device. Unfortunaeatly Physics and Arithmetic
    hate it.

    J.


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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Thu Apr 16 21:01:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:46:47 +0100, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:40:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    [...]
    10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a
    bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of
    death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    ...but apart from that, is there any reason why it couln't be done?

    We.eee...ee.llllll, if we assume that we want Human-A on the planet
    and she's supposed to be the same person as Human-B who stood upon the >processing plate, with a complete continuation of her thoughts,

    Of course, we don't *have* *to* assume any such thing. If we take the practical, unethical approach then we could just nominate the rebuild
    as the original, legally and for all purposes and continue from there.
    That would make the two "Rikers" both "Riker", legally, morally and
    for purposes of the StarFleet service records and it wouldn't matter,
    to anyone save the Rikers which stayed on Enterprise and which went
    walkies into the great beyond.

    If we don't care about human life, then we could make transporter
    copies of blondes, torture them, drop them into a transporter with no
    target location and blend ourselves another toy to play with.

    We could have our wife staying 23 years of age forever. Not the same
    wife and we'd need one of those memory implanters to feed the "newer"
    one the last year's worth of news but who cares?

    We could have real "action movies", where the actors really bleed and
    die. Real wars as spectator events but no permanent harm to anyone;
    the casualties get rebuilt from *before* their suffering and death.

    No, Picard wouldn't take such an approach .........

    ....... but Tuvix-killer Janeway might. :)




    I need to get out more.

    I did get out today. I went to a spa. Had hot bubbles time. I was sad
    because I couldn't have an ice-cream.

    This is all highly [OT], isn't it?

    J.
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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sat Apr 18 20:47:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:40:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    [...]
    10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a
    bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of
    death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    ...but apart from that, is there any reason why it couln't be done?

    Wait ...

    I've had time to eat, sleep, get tired again, wake up, have a cup of
    tea and digest the reply above ...

    It's a jesting response, yes?

    You were gently jocularly pointing out that I have been a bit
    fannish, geekish, off-topic and irritating and that I should have
    stopped at 50,000 pages in each of eight hundred posts, yes? Or maybe
    *before* that?

    Oh. Right. You are correct. When I get into teacher mode, I really
    like it and can't stop.

    It's one of many, many reasons why I was never employed as a
    full-time teacher and yet could teach friends, family and colleagues.
    It is both a flaw and a .........

    Oh, bugger ... I'm doing it again, aren't I? :)

    J.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sat Apr 18 21:51:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:40:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    [...]
    10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a
    bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of
    death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    ...but apart from that, is there any reason why it couln't be done?

    Wait ...

    I've had time to eat, sleep, get tired again, wake up, have a cup of
    tea and digest the reply above ...

    It's a jesting response, yes?

    Yes.


    [...Sorry]
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sun Apr 19 08:10:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 21:51:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:40:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    [...]
    10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a
    bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of
    death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    ...but apart from that, is there any reason why it couln't be done?

    Wait ...

    I've had time to eat, sleep, get tired again, wake up, have a cup of
    tea and digest the reply above ...

    It's a jesting response, yes?

    Yes.


    [...Sorry]
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  • From John@Man@the.keyboard to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sun Apr 19 08:20:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 21:51:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:40:10 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    [...]
    10**25 particles in a human body can not be scanned by
    anything less than a gamma-ray burst that would volatilise the human
    and bore a hole in the ship a yard wide from the emitters past the
    hull. The beam would go on to fry a moving circular spot on the
    surface of the nearby planet. The storage-in-the-buffer would take a
    bandwidth of truly astronomical magnitude and more computing power
    than could be created were the observable universe full of chips made
    from single particles. The reconstruction would take a similar beam of
    death-rays and years, probably more years than the current age of the
    cosmos.

    ...but apart from that, is there any reason why it couln't be done?

    Wait ...

    I've had time to eat, sleep, get tired again, wake up, have a cup of
    tea and digest the reply above ...

    It's a jesting response, yes?

    Yes.


    Cool! I *knew* I was right! I'm ever so happy, now. :)

    It's even slightly not windy, rainy and cold, today, which makes it
    better.




    [...Sorry]


    No, no, No, NO, *N*O*!, you should be all happy. You are nice. You
    should *always* be happy. And you did a good thing. You made a funny
    and yours *was* funny. [This is still Off Topic, isn't it?] [Bummer.]
    Now, the main two hundred and forty-seven thousand reasons why "SIRI"
    and that decision-tree-and-look-up-table mess they mis-label as "A.I."
    can never again be left off of new model machinery are ..........

    J.

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